i don't understand what naxal want actually. i think indian government has done everything to uplift the schedule caste obc etc like reservation giving subsidy to them.now what do they want god knows.
This guy knows everything and still behaves as ignorant fellow. The government is hated in naxal dominated areas because this bugger is talking to the naxalites. The naxalites are involved in al sorts of illegal activities right from kidnappying to vote extortion....and then this guy comes with the philosophy...this problem needs to be solved using local administrative measures...how the hell one can do anything locally...if there are naxalites trying to subvert any attempts of developments in any area...
India now stands on a different divide - Adivasis and non-Adivasis. Factually, when India achieved Independence, least was thought about them in order to sponsore their harmonised behaviour. The Union and all State governments must stand to explain: Who are you to consider their life of nature-dependance as primitive and yours as modern? Why they are deprived of the fruits of democracy so long and till so late. They fight to deflect frustration and State fight against them to gain its power. In this process can rancour be erased - it is the sanemost question.
RE:Adivasis are good, but strange is our policy actions.
by Ms. Adya Bharadwaj on Jan 04, 2008 08:52 AM Permalink
Rediff should allow thorough discussion.
RE:Adivasis are good, but strange is our policy actions.
by Fun Lover on Jan 04, 2008 08:59 AM Permalink
If the State doesn't supply modern medicines, build hospitals and other essential services like schools for education to adivasis, the state is blamed for neglecting them. If the State wants to supply these services, people like you say that the state is biased in thinking that their form of life is primitive. If the state does not lay roads to the remote areas, people blame the state for neglecting adivasis. If the state lays roads and tries to bring in development to the adivasis, people like you say that the state is trying to exploit them.
I am a South Indian. In South India, people call me a "barbaric Aryan" because I belong to a so-called upper caste and happen to have fair skin. In North India, people call me a "stinking Dravidian" since I was born in South India. Where exactly am I supposed to belong to now? North India or South India or both or neither? This is pretty funny and silly. My situation often reminds me of Vishwamitra's Trishanku swarga which is neither on earth nor in heaven.
RE:Where do I belong?
by Patrick on Jan 04, 2008 09:04 AM Permalink
I am from south india too. I dont remember anyone being called barbaric aryan in public discourse .Apparently, they did in the early sixties, but once in power it melted. Jayalalitha is a brahmin and that should tell you that the dravidian movement has long been banished. Regarding north indians saying such things, i dont know. But i have seen press reports about general derogatory remarks like "saleh madarasi" to indicate people from the southern states. But then again, a lot of people in the south wish india could sell UP and bihar and enjoy better ratings as a nation. So i guess you have a tin ear
RE:Where do I belong?
by Fun Lover on Jan 04, 2008 09:46 AM Permalink
I am not talking about public discourse. For that matter, no body in the North calls South Indians as stinking in public discourses. I am simply talking about the attitude of the "intellectually forward people" in South India who don't tire of calling "upper caste" fair-looking people as Aryan "invaders".
RE:Where do I belong?
by Anurag Shrivastava on Jan 04, 2008 10:25 AM Permalink
The ultimate revenge is to have ugly looking men made superheroes who are able to woo fair skinned Aryan women in movies....the uglier the man, the bigger the hero for these jokers as he is shown to be a winner against all odds.
RE:Where do I belong?
by Fun Lover on Jan 04, 2008 10:35 AM Permalink
Huh! Can't you think beyond silly movies? There is a whole lot of a real world out there beyond the cinema screen.
RE:Where do I belong?
by Indian Taurus on Jan 04, 2008 10:03 AM Permalink
I am a little aware of this attitude that rises out of clumsy social conduct of south Indians in North born out of more traditional out-look. The northerners are less influenced by tradional thinking and hence more violent politically and coarse in conduct. It is from this back-ground of coarseness that the word 'sale madarasi' stems out which is nothing but poor understanding of South India politically and socially. Most of them even today are not aware of four political states of South India and varying cultures. To their concepts; a state means a political entity with a common way expression like Bihar, UP, Himachal, Rajastan, Punjab etc where the diaelct of communication is almost the same. Again for them, Orissa, WB, Assam etc fall in the same catagory. They also fall prey to this false notion that if UP can be managed politically, India can be managed. A very few, who happen to come in contact with south due professional reasons or have settled in south for historical reasons, are aware of southern heterogenuity. They dont have any respect for southern political leaders and not unreasonably most of the southern leaders are fond of shouting "Jai" for this or that northern political leaders as more corruption and more crime can be sheltered in northen political leaders where tradition and norms have less space to capture. The southern leaders talking of tradition, (still available here and there in South by mistake), norms and ethics in politics are only out-caste.
RE:RE:Where do I belong?
by Indian Taurus on Jan 04, 2008 10:24 AM Permalink
A Jay Lalitha or a Karunanidhi can-not even imagine to spread its political ideology in any Northern political state but a Mayawati can imagine so because she can accomodate more political evils than any southern political leader. Mulayam< Laoo too could have done something on these line but for their rural crudeness, which they is unwilling to depart with. There dream is limited to becoming a PM only by hook or crook, like a Chandrasekhar. Devegouda failed to fit into this Janata-Party political frame for the same reasons and is now an out-caste there by all standards. The southern political aprties are limited to regionalness only. It is in this back-ground that Kerala has to track the communist ideology of WB and none of its own or a national one. Being too small, it is not in a position to raise even a loacl political party unlike AP or Taminadu. Karnataka, till recently a pure Congress state, has now been divided into Congress and BJP. If the political trend continues in this fashion, Karnataka will soon have a regional political party of its own. Assam has AGP, after getting fed-up with Congress. The seven hill states have nothing to do with national political stream. There are names of some this or that political parties but they are run by a fixed set of groups, that is called 'Vanshavad' in local diaelect, although the revealation may strange. The political force is absent that is badly needed to unite present India. Offer & anyone is ready to become PM or President.
RE:Where do I belong?
by Ram Sharma on Jan 04, 2008 10:34 AM Permalink
i do not know when all the people will start considering all mankind as one and show love for all people, animals and plants.
RE:Where do I belong?
by Calspadeaspade on Jan 05, 2008 02:40 AM Permalink
When there is a super alien creature better than man but a threat to man. May be that will be the time humans will unite.
RE:Where do I belong?
by Nandakumar Chandran on Jan 04, 2008 09:11 AM Permalink
pretty much all these racial theories are epoused by those who are against indian unity. history is vague - who knows who came from where or who was where first? but such arguments pitting one people against the other, are typically used by commies for whom indian unity is anaethma.
yes tribal grievances should be addressed. and the state can help in furthering their prosperity and integrating them into the mainstream. but to take up arms can only invite retaliation of the law - which is just.
RE:Where do I belong?
by Nandakumar Chandran on Jan 04, 2008 09:16 AM Permalink
and especially in india when so many communities (including the dalits today) are using their numbers to manipulate the system to gather more and more benefits, why aren't the tribals doing that? where's the need for the gun and violence? the effort put in such can instead be used to organize themselves and manipulate the democratic system to their benefit. it is infinitely less dangerous and more fruitful.
but will anti-indian elements who are manipulating the tribals, allow that?
RE:Where do I belong?
by Aditya Singh on Jan 04, 2008 09:28 AM Permalink
I have seen this behaviour especially in south. They hate all cric players who are from north. They hate all cinema actors who are from north. Of course they will import north indian girls/womens for actress and men for villain role. this shows their fanatic mind.
RE:Where do I belong?
by Fun Lover on Jan 04, 2008 09:52 AM Permalink
Ha haa...Don't worry, North India is not far behind in such attitude. First of all, they expect everybody to learn Hindi. Now, I have nothing against Hindi and even though Hindi is not my mother tongue, I learned it, but some Northies are not happy with that and expect me to be as proficient as them in speaking Hindi. That is plain nuts.
RE:Where do I belong?
by Aditya Singh on Jan 04, 2008 10:18 AM Permalink
Your preparedness to learn english is quite good. But when you have to learn hindi you will start all Nakrey. You are not ready to learn and speak the language of your own brothers and moreover you people hate. My dear brother, if you preach love/hate that only you will get.
RE:Where do I belong?
by Fun Lover on Jan 04, 2008 10:30 AM Permalink
Dude, You see you are exposing your prejudiced attitude once again. I have learned Hindi. But it is not really reasonable for people to expect me to become as proficient in Hindi as a North Indian is. Moreover, learning English is different from learning Hindi. I am surviving right now because I learned English. I have in fact never used Hindi to survive in this world. At best learning Hindi was a mere addition of another language to my brain. It never helped me in my practical life till now. So don't try to compare Hindi and English.
RE:Where do I belong?
by Fun Lover on Jan 04, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
You think whatever you want to think about S India. I hardly identify myself with any group these days. For Northies I am a S Indian and outside their group. For self-proclaimed intellectual Southies, I am supposed to have come from the North to "Aryanize" them, so I am outside that group too. :-)
PS: To be frank, India is surely gaining a lot of population from Northies. :-) Don't get outraged. Take it with a sense of humor, if you have any.
RE:RE:Where do I belong?
by Patrick on Jan 04, 2008 10:27 AM Permalink
And what are you willing to do for your brothers in the west, south and north east? remember the first 48 yrs or so indian could only have PM from UP so much that even street politicians in UP imagined of becoming PM's.
Truth be Told. The only thing worse than the southern pride is northie fundamentalism
RE:Where do I belong?
by Patrick on Jan 04, 2008 10:16 AM Permalink
That is so true. Does anyone in UP or bihar learn another indian language as a part of part of national integration. All the southern languages will face the same fate as the other indegenious languages in the world
As an "alleged" Aryan, I am willing to go back to my so-called "homeland" Europe or Central Asia or whatever if -
1. All Dravidians are willing to go back to their homeland, which is alleged to be Africa or West Asia or whatever.
2. All so-called indigenous people are willing to back to their homeland, which is Africa.
After all, many animals were living in India before the first so-called adivasi humans invaded India and killed many of them. These animals have greater rights to be called as indigenous Indians than any of us. But even these animals are not the real adivasis. The real adivasis are the bacteria, viruses, amoeba, protozoa which were existing in India from time immemorial.
RE:Real Adivasis
by Aditya Singh on Jan 04, 2008 09:31 AM Permalink
hey fool, if you are an Aryan, then there is no need for you to go anywhere. this is our land the land which taught vedas which are our property. If still think you are from europe then you are a non-aryan subhuman who is trying to molest history of aryan.
RE:Real Adivasis
by Fun Lover on Jan 04, 2008 09:38 AM Permalink
Dude, you missed my point. I did not say Aryans came form Europe. I mentioned Europe and Central Asia because some people allege that it is the "original" homeland of "Aryans.
RE:Real Adivasis
by Aditya Singh on Jan 04, 2008 09:54 AM Permalink
Then it our duty as Aryans that we tell others it is our land. whatever means you take for explaining
RE:Real Adivasis
by on Jan 04, 2008 09:03 AM Permalink
Dude, You are missing the point. Adivasis are truly exploited and as an educated community, it is our responsibility to respond to their needs as fellow country men. Being born in one such village, I don't think anything said in the article is untrue including the paragraph about the policemen.
RE:RE:Real Adivasis
by Fun Lover on Jan 04, 2008 09:42 AM Permalink
You see, the policemen are corrupt almost everywhere in India. Not just in adivasi lands. If you are talking about encounter deaths, then know that in AP, the naxalites have killed many innocent people in the name of eliminating "class enemies". In the early 1990s, a train was set on fire by naxalites near Hyderabd resulting in the deaths of 47 ordinary civilians. Due to this incident and the oppressive parallel government system run by the naxalites, these guys have lost popular support in Andhra Pradesh.
RE:Real Adivasis
by Sameer on Jan 04, 2008 09:54 AM Permalink
dude...wats all this abt race?..how do u identify and aryan or a dravidian??...u think over last 4000 years there has been no intermingling of people in the country? Thesse concepts are all british invented..considering they wanted to divide the people on religion, caste, race..etc Most of our histry was written by britishers!!!
RE:Real Adivasis
by Calspadeaspade on Jan 05, 2008 02:46 AM Permalink
Exactly. Aryan theory that they came from some where is not true. Even if they did in 4000 years there have been so much inter mingling people no longer look like the original Aryans who were supposed to have blond hair blue eyes etc. There have been people from greek during Alexander's time in north India. That explains why they are light skinned.
So many people are quick to punch on countries like US for wiping out their indegenous populations, but don't give a feather to the same thing shappening in theor own states and districts. Indians are simply hyocrits and many of the comments show their authours as such. Instead of coming out with viable ways of helping the adivasis get settled in as modern world, they are looking for all kinds of excuses to denigrate them. So great is India's democracy that it will allow no one but the powerful to have their opinions said out aloud.
Instead of making more adivasis terrorists and be used by foriegn powers, Indians should think clearly a plan of action of getting their grivances addressed instead of calling them names and propelling them in that very directions. India belongs to all of us, not just rich junkie loud mouths.
RE:Adivasis have as much right as any one else
by san man on Jan 04, 2008 07:30 AM Permalink
"Indigenous population"??? If they're more indigenous than me, then where am I native to? Stop trying to make up elite categories for people by calling them more indigenous than the rest of us. Your slander is insulting, as it implies that the rest of us have no right to be here. I'm just as Indian as you or any of them, you racist. I won't tolerate anyone being given special rights above me. They have to wisen up, and learn to do an honest day's work, instead of thinking they can live by the gun and steal the livelihood of others.
RE:Adivasis have as much right as any one else
by on Jan 04, 2008 09:07 AM Permalink
Agree, the debate is not about who is more aboriginal here. It is that when we dig up the forest for ore, we owe the people who inhabit it an alternative livelihood.
RE:Adivasis have as much right as any one else
by Patrick on Jan 04, 2008 07:37 AM Permalink
this is one of the best point;counter point i have seen in rediff for a long time. Both of you make a good point and i am not smart enough to be judgemental about this. Just feel that we should help the economically backward to integrate into the "consumer" and material benefits of our globalised economy. Fact of matter, it looks like their way of life should be happy, except that some of them are protesting
RE:Adivasis have as much right as any one else
by Sameer on Jan 04, 2008 09:58 AM Permalink
Ultimate counter dude..wat i fail to understand is the debate on aryan and dravidian, and who is native to this land, on rediff!!!...its surprising ppl still believe the crap the britishers wrote in our history textbooks! It is hard to imagine that over 4000 years there was no intermingling between people...i think there is no aryan dravidian or rajput races anymore...we all are Indians...all native to this country!
Re: You should be arrested for sedition!!
by surya pratap on Aug 02, 2010 12:42 AM Permalink
Do you sir understand the concept of democracy.A country which arrests people for having different opinion doesn't even meet the first requirement of democracy-free speech. there should be a healthy debate on issues than taking such fascist positions.
RE:You should be arrested for sedition!!
by Patrick on Jan 04, 2008 07:54 AM Permalink
I am not so sure. In india, we are allowed to question even god or his/her existence. Not sure why questioning and thereby denigrating the pm is arrest worthy. We are not an islamic republic yet to consider questioning an authority figure blasphemous
Rediff continues to bring on any apologist for terrorist violence. Now we're being told that we must endure terrorist violence because we're not real inhabitants of India, and that the terrorists are the original inhabitants. And if the rest of us aren't genuine, then please tell us where we're from? Nobody fighting with rocket launchers and landmines is scared or oppressed. They're only interested in scaring, oppressing, terrorizing and murdering others. Rediff never tires of bringing on those who justify terror and murder. But I'm tired of seeing Rediff do this, and I'd like to see it stop. I'm urging readers to take a screenshot of any advertisement appearing on the page of articles such as these, and to email the screenshot to the advertiser, letting them know of your disgust. Send Rediff a message through their advertisers.
Most of the criminals have reason to be criminals. Either they were abused as kids or wronged by the society. Does law forgive them? No. Naxalites will have to be treated exactly like the way you treat terrorists or hard core criminals.
