We Human kind will always fight among ourselves and die.This is being there from the origin of mankind..Man has all the evil qualities withink himself..When you ppl say that all fights are due to Muslims, dont u ppl know that the Kings(as you say Hindu Kings) in India were fighting among themselves for supremacy.. So Humans always haev the envy on others and he will die because of that no matter he is rich,poor,caste or religion. We are born cursed by god.
You are forgetting one thing "Man by nature is a selfish animal". Greed is the root cause for all the ills of Human Kind. Also, man is also one of few spieces who enjoy on other sufferings.
So this is our nature though we are civilised and still the animal intinct is still intact in us.
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by BhejaFry on Jun 15, 2007 08:50 PM Permalink
AR , dont forget that some religions support war against people of other religions, other's dont. booty ( captured wealth and women ) of other religious people is allowed to be obtained by some religions, others dont. concept of kafir , jiziya is allowed in some religions, others dont. that is the root cause of religious conflict .
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by on Jun 16, 2007 04:15 AM Permalink
Array bheja kuch ziadaa hee fry ho giyaa hai...thand karoo bhai....of course, Sati, White Widows, Untouchability, Human sacrifice, "taking the wife of dead brother" is the monoply of SOME religions! baghal main choori, and moonh peh Ram Ram!!!
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by Riten on Jun 18, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
Hindus will and have eliminated these things because they don'y blindly follow any books. They are free to use their brains unlike muslims who dogmatically follow the quran. No muslim says xyz portion of the quran is wrong and needs to be deleted while Hindus are free to critically examine their books. Thats the difference.
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by Sumit Dutta on Jun 16, 2007 11:35 AM Permalink
Dear by/AR/epsilon,'Taking the wife of dead brother' was done by aurangzeb when he married dara shikoh's widow,the ukranian jaipuri.Raja Rammohan roy got sati banned.Mahatma gandhi got untouchability banned.So reforms came from within the hindus themselves.ALL relegions in the world have customs which might have been ok when when they were first introduced but became ugly and repugnant with time.Like hindu reformers,christian reformers reformed christianity.A religion undergoes changes as far as customs and practices are concerned.Accept the fact that Islam too has a lot of pratices that need reforms and try to do something about it.Do not say what is written 1300 years back has to be followed to the T.The holy book of every religion (gita,old testament,bible etc) has a touch of divinity but interpretations differ.Try to look inwards for all that is wrong with your religion,wage a spiritual battle within yourselves and purify your fellow believers instead of trying to spread your religion through violence and hatred.
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by Riten on Jun 18, 2007 05:38 PM Permalink
Mr Epsilon, can you tell how the Hindus in pakistan and bangladesh have disappeared since independence? These things don't require any muslim army. The systematic torture of these hindus by their muslim neighbours is enough.
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by epsilon on Jun 16, 2007 12:12 PM Permalink
Can you tell which muslim army went to Indonesia or Malaysia or the whole of north Africa ? These places have millions of muslims. How did they become muslims without violence ? Well according you muslim can only become a muslim because some violence played part in it. Will you become a muslim if someone shows a sword to you? I guess you will say that you are a muslim to save your life but after that person removes the sword you wont continue to remain a muslim. Its not like a switch that you can turn on or off by a sword.
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by for education on Jun 16, 2007 07:26 AM Permalink
Your list is weak compared to what Bheja Fry said - just think before writing - "Sati, White Widows, Untouchability, Human sacrifice" these are social issues- what does it have to contribute to religious conflict and violence?
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by Abdul Rehman on Jun 15, 2007 05:38 PM Permalink
People can become modern or technology can be modern but how can a religion become modern my angry friend.I am not supporting any religion here..very recently gujjars were killed and they killed others well..where is religion here..does Hindu religion prohibited them from doin it.. It is the same Hitler a christian killed millions of jews.. US killing Iraqis and Terrorist killing Iraqi civilans.. So Humans will always fight and die..i might die by a msulim or u mught die by ur hindu friend.. Anyof u tell me one glorious period on earth where there was no war,chaos.
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by subramanian padmanabhan on Jun 15, 2007 09:11 PM Permalink
ur observation & views are correct, but should we continue to live with such mindset. Cant we make a new world of peaceful co-existence? Cant we share the world for imprroving the human lives than killing each other? What do we achieve? May be it helps in reducing the population to a certain extent and the enemity & killing goes unabated, then the whole living things on earth will vanish, we can see only barren lands and roaring seas. Let us not give place for this. This one planet is for one mankind, dont divide please.
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by Riten on Jun 18, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Mr Rehman, the christians and hindus who you mention did not kill because it was a mandate of their God to do so. They were bad humans and religion was the last thing in their mind. However, muslims terrorist who kill justify it from the quran as their duty.
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by Ahimsa on Jun 19, 2007 02:10 AM Permalink
How about Muslims Killing Hindus in Kashmir, Bomb blasts in India, Bangaldeshi muslims killing Hindus. Muslims destroying temples in India.
Why did Muslims destroy lifeless bamiyan Buddha statutes. Were they any kind of threat to Islam (peace ??)
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by Shankar Panday on Jun 15, 2007 08:47 PM Permalink
Mr Rehman you need to please separate what motivates or inspires some person to aggressive behaviour rather than citing Hitler as a christian or gujjars as HIndus...none of these examples used any Christian or HIndu inspiration.....LTTE do not qoute chapter & verse of the Geeta to justify their terror tactics...nor are they in the business of establishing Hindu Caliphate...now Islam is entirely different..its the only religion where the founder established an Empire - the Caliphate..Jesus did not establish one..nor did Buddha..nor were these religions aspiring to rule the world thru Shariat...therefore please do not categorize all religions in the same mould...Islam is totally different..it has its own laws, its own morals, its economics etc...it is constantly at war against anything not Islam...please remember Jesus preached a new religion but he did not break any temples, on the other hand Pr MOhammad destroyed all the idols in the Kaba..why?? he was doing away with al competition..think abt it Rehman sahab !
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by Shankar Panday on Jun 15, 2007 08:54 PM Permalink
Of course religion can be modern...it can be displaced as a personal choice and not a political agenda...Islam is a political agenda, at least fundamentalist Islam is...if religions effect ur life so much then why should u accord it immunity from criticism & scrutiny?? why has islam have to be 'respected' so that u cant even write or draw cartoons without being threatened wiht with life??? The Hollywood movie 'Last Temptation of Christ' showed Jesus in love with Mary Magdalene..people were hurt but no one burnt n threatened...the Jews have been hurt by the holocaust but we dont see Jews lobbing bombs into a church or restaurant in Munich to kill..so Rehman sahab religions can be modernized simply if u let people talk and discuss and criticize and praise without enforcing blasphmey laws...lets see u hv the courage to do so!
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by epsilon on Jun 15, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
Well you knowledge of history seems to be very poor. Was Islam involved in world war 1 and 2 ? For argument sake lets assume that ramayana and mahabharata were true, so all those people killed were due to Islam ? Were there no conflicts before Islam ? These are political struggles and you are not helping them by branding them as religious struggles. There is a struggle for natural resources. Trust me if India had an immense oil wealth like Gulf then hinduism would have been branded as the most violent religion. So instead of spreading hate and disturbing your own mind, think in terms of peace.
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by Shankar Panday on Jun 15, 2007 10:43 PM Permalink
The fact is Muslims are one of the poorest people...even with the oil wealth Epsilon the combined wealth of ALL Muslim countries is less than Japan's..so the money is no big deal really..its just how u use it...a case in point is when Talibans destroyed the Buddha statues, Japan didnt nuke it out, but it was one of the biggest donors after the Afghan war...you are in denial and concentrate on extraneous issues Epsilon..the problem is the religion itself.
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by on Jun 16, 2007 04:21 AM Permalink
Array Panday jee...ghaas kha gayey ho? Tell that story to the millions sleeping on the footpaths of Indian cities, and millions going hungray in Calcutta, and Delhi
Zara ankhan kholo bhaiya http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=dubai&gbv=2
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by on Jun 18, 2007 05:55 PM Permalink
Mr/Ms. June. Could you pleas also declare the per capita income of the following Islamic counties as well, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, Syria, Jordan- Thank you.
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by Ahimsa on Jun 19, 2007 02:04 AM Permalink
how about Somalia Mauritania Western Sahara Algeria Djibouti Tunisia Libya Senegal Egypt The Gambia Mali Niger Sudan Ethiopia
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by Ahimsa on Jun 18, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
Study: Iraq Second Most Unstable Country http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6718158,00.html
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by on Jun 16, 2007 04:32 AM Permalink
Really!??? Muslims are not the poorest in the workld, Indians are!!!
Let us see if this stands the test of emperical data.
Here is India in her glory: http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/percapitaincome.htm
India's per capita income: India's per capita income is now $800
Pakistan's per capita income: $950 and going to cross $1000 this year.
Bahrian is $16000 Saudi Arabia is 52 with $12,500 Malaysia is 81st on the list with $8,940 Iran is 88th with $7,190 Tunisia is 91st with $6,840 Turkey is 94 with $6,690
...one gets the picture!
India is 143 on this list: http://www.success-and-culture.net/articles/percapitaincome.shtml#data
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by for education on Jun 16, 2007 07:18 AM Permalink
Indian currency is undervalued. Pakistan currency is seriously overvalued. Once Indian currency becomes becomes fully convertible all your statistics will go down the drain
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by Shankar Panday on Jun 15, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
what kind of logic is this epsilon?? just cuz cancer kills the most doesnt mean people cant die from heart disease? each one has to be dealt in its own demerit...WWWs were caused from different reasons and ppl tried to identify them and so we build UN, the Marshal plans came into effect, diplomacy got a shot in the arm..the poit is ppl made efforts..the issue on the table today is Islam - and the irrational behavior it causes among a section of its followers..if u hv the courage you will face the problem directly..or u can prefer to beat around the bush and digress & go into denial..either way the problem will be solved in due course..unfortunately wid lot of chaos..remember Epsilon the idea whose tiem has come will come...one which is gone is gone...
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by Shankar Panday on Jun 15, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
Dear Epsilon, The faith based religions originating in the Middle East have hijacked God and personalized him...they made religion competitive & predatory...they claimed they had the 'Only path' to God...You follow Jesus or u r doomed ot hell...Islam is the perfect religion and only Mohammad's ummat will go to heaven...now this is what messed up mans quest for God...if u think about it this is not about God at all..its about aggressive behaviour..claims to hv the answers to an abstract concept of God, divinity..this is what messed up the world...now, Christianity is not a nuisance any more..that has been paid put by reformation in Europe...Islam is the only one right now, and it is past is sell by date as well...its only a matter of time that radical Islam will be totally neutralized and Islam wil be reduced to what Christianity is today...mullahs wont be cutting ice no more....as far as ur question of what religion you should follow..it definitely has to be the Realization based spirituality of Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Shinto or even the abstract Islamic disciplines of Sufism or spiritual Christianity which emphasises more on self elevation rather than dogma !! wish u a good life as a Hindu Epsilon !
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by on Jun 16, 2007 04:14 AM Permalink
Panday jee, maybe you can describe to us how your non-violence eliminated Buddhism and Jainism from the place of it's birth...all religions preach "the chosen people" syndrome
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by Shankar Panday on Jun 16, 2007 08:19 PM Permalink
Buddhism became a stream of Hinduism inside India...nothing was eliminated...modern Hinduism contains more elements of Buddhist thought than medieval Hinduism of that time.....no such thing as complete wiping out of Zorastrianism in Iran by Muslims..or in recent times the complete disappearance of Hinduism from what is now Pakistan, never took place.
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by epsilon on Jun 15, 2007 09:29 PM Permalink
So if I become a hindu will I be a brahman ? I would certainly like to enter the highest level.
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by Shankar Panday on Jun 16, 2007 08:22 PM Permalink
adopting the eastern religious stream dont hv to mean u need to change in toto...just free yourself from religious dogma, keep an open spiritual mind, and adjust culturally to the heritage of your forefathers, get an Indian name, attend Hindu ceremonies thats it...caste is a social situation and will be gone soon..the new order will be soon evolved.
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by Abdul Rehman on Jun 15, 2007 06:36 PM Permalink
Thanks friends.. Further to add up it is the birth of ours to a mother decides to which religion,color or cast we are goin to be,which in turn is decided by God himself. We should feel atleast happy now that we are not killing others for food,clothes and shelter which are humans basic needs which is happening in Africa now.. But Iam afraid very soon Humans will fight for that as well and we all would like to die instead of living in this world.
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by sania on Jun 15, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
really great thoughts... impressed by u.. hope every human kind woulld have sme thoughts.. human beings would live in peace
