It is wrong to compare legislation for reservations with the partition of India.
It seems, the author is city bred and has not ventured out of his native concrete jungle into the rural (real) India.
India is not just the cities.
Cities are nothing without the villages.
The legislation is being passed by a legal governemnet which has been elected by the people of India. That being the case, how can one try to tarnish the image of the governemnt of the day without knowing the facts about the country.
RE:the next partition of india
by Karsh on May 25, 2006 04:17 AM Permalink
Well, if I was running a 100 meters race, I would want all the participants in the race to be equally well-fed and have the same oppurtunities I have. If not, I would not bloat about my winning.
The government is trying sincerely to level the playground. Have a little faith. Everyone needs the same access.
As for the people losing out on seats, 54% increase in the seats is actually going to facilitate 12% more seats for merit based selection and 27% more seats for reservation based selection. So for 100 seats, instead of selecting 73 merit and 27 reserved students, the government wants to expand (think billion people) to 112 merit and 42 reserved students. A guy who would earlier have competed for the 100th seat under the new plan competes for the 112th seat.
I think this should be implemented for their (OBC) sake for a few years ONLY! After a re-evaluation on a five year basis, this should be gradually abolished.
RE:the next partition of india
by venkateswaran on May 24, 2006 06:34 PM Permalink
Please go and explain reservation policy to someone who lost out on a seat after hard work for 12 months to someone who did not study hard enough.
The policy in the current context does not keep the haves away from the quota. In fact they can still continue to enjoy the same. I know people who studied under a street lamp and struggled hard enough and made it to college on their merit. They could have gone to better colleges if these quotas were not there. Run a 100 metres olympic race and say that there is another runner who starts at 99 metres, how fair is that ? Let us increase educational institutions rather than divide the country as such.
Just as reservations have benefited some people they have deprived many deserving candidates too.
RE:the next partition of india
by Mahesh Jagga on May 25, 2006 02:51 PM Permalink
Dear Mr Jaiprakash,
I presume you do not belong to a city. If you live in a village, please go to nearest government school. The building is not there, half the classes are in open, no blackboards, chalks, mats (forget furniture). Further more you should count yourself lucky if you find a teacher there.
Are you aware that same government, same prime minister and same minister is responsible for this state of affairs. What have they done to change it.
They are aware that few hundred seats in IIMs, IITs and other institutions will not make an impact on condition of OBCs. Despite this they have gone ahead.
RE:the next partition of india
by swadeshi swami on May 25, 2006 05:12 AM Permalink
Keep it up Jayaprakash Reddy!Shabhash!! Kudos! You are able to look these guys in the eye, eyeball to eyeball ! & let them have it! Bravo Man! Can you imagine this without reservation? These FCs are sore than we are now able to stand up to them, speak english as well as they do & even get as good grades as them! How un-fair to them!!We should be bonded to them for life & if some govt.takes pity on us & tries to help..then all hell breaks loose. How dare Sudra guys try to even get any where near an educational institution! The've only been born to be exploited in every concievable way.Dont the scriptures say that molten lead should be poured into our ears if we go any where near a book! They'll learn at all the elite schools here & then..run away to their mother land the USA ! & poor WE, .. have to suck our thumbs,smile & wish them well.But don't loose heart Man.Times have changed.The wheel has come full circle & now..the mice are chasing the cat!! & if the cats hate it ..well...they can go to h...! Bon Jour!
RE:the next partition of india
by Ambika on May 24, 2006 10:53 PM Permalink
Will you go for treatment to a doctor who has got maybe just 33% in his medical exams, and was promoted simply to fill the quota seats? Will you get a "quota architect" to build a house for you?
Maybe we should ask the govt. to come out with a list of quota doctors, engineers, architects if the bill goes through. That way, at least we can choose those who came up on merit, and not risk our lives being politically correct. Of course, then the govt. will probably declare that all citizens must choose a quota doctor, they cannot go to a general category doctor. Anyway, as many people are saying, even in schools, many of those with quotas lack the drive, knowing they will be served all on a platter when it comes to higher education. Is this the way to bring up the backward classes, perpetually feeding them fish instead of making them capable of fishing for themselves? In 50 years, a section has become dependant on quotas, and now, 50% of the population will be dependant on quotas. Till today, I never knew or bothered about the caste of my classmates and collegues; thanks to Mr AS, now my children will know which castes in their peer group came up through freebies, not merit.
RE:the next partition of india
by venkateswaran on May 24, 2006 06:34 PM Permalink
Please go and explain reservation policy to someone who lost out on a seat after hard work for 12 months to someone who did not study hard enough.
The policy in the current context does not keep the haves away from the quota. In fact they can still continue to enjoy the same. I know people who studied under a street lamp and struggled hard enough and made it to college on their merit. They could have gone to better colleges if these quotas were not there. Run a 100 metres olympic race and say that there is another runner who starts at 99 metres, how fair is that ? Let us increase educational institutions rather than divide the country as such.
Just as reservations have benefited some people they have deprived many deserving candidates too.
RE:the next partition of india
by R.Venkatesh on May 24, 2006 10:39 PM Permalink
Adolf Hitler came to power on popular mandate. If you do not know the consequences (as you claim you are rural) check up with history books.
The concept of caste based reservations was first introduced by the british for their divide and rule policy. Mahatma Gandhi vehemently opposed it. If he had lived a decade longer DR BR AMBEDHKAR WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INTRODUCE RESERVATIONS!!! IS ARJUN SINGH MORE INTERESTED IN THE WELFARE OF THE OBC's THAN MAHATMA GANDHI.
How much money have policticians who cry out so much for reservations, spent for uplift of OBC's. Let Arjun Singh(or the congress party) set up a college with their own money and give 100% reservation to OBC's. We will not oppose it.
May I suggest an alternative.
Bring in a law that debars any corporate from handing out suitcases to political parties.
Let all these suitcases be put into a fund that will be used for setting up a college that will educate the OBC's.
Ask Manmohan singh, Arjun Singh for their comments on this idea.
RE:the next partition of india
by Thobey Srinivasan on May 25, 2006 01:59 PM Permalink
Mr. Reddy, I simply do not agree with you at all. Yes, the rural students will no doubt have to be uplifted. But, their problem is not higher education but primary education. Have you ever visited a school in a village? It is really pathetic. No blackboard, running water, toilets, roof and furniture and worse, no teachers! Yet you have students studying under such shameful conditions.
You can not strengthen the weak by weakening the strong! But that is the essence of this reservation policy that this country has been so shamelessly practicing in the name of social justice.
Who said there is no consensus in this issue?
All political parties want this curse to continue, though knowing fully well it is going to cripple the society.
We are yet to see one political party that has openly opposed this move. Even the BJP beats around the bush without being categorical about it.
An Italian who enjoys the privilege of deciding our destinies. You have an effete and helpless PM. And the old hawks within the Congress greedily eyeing the PM's chair.... What else could we expect?
The insensitivity of the UPA government is evident from the fact that despite innumerable debates & discussion on the TV & other media & the resignation of two members of the National Knowledge Commission that have clearly said that reservation based on caste lines in inadvisable, the government neither wants to implement the creamy layer policy nor include the economically backward people irrespective of their caste. Even Dr BR Ambedkar, who was the proponent of reservation system, said that the reservation should not extend beyond 10 yr. If the system is existing, rather thriving, even after 6 decades of independence, it means that the successive governments have failed to address the root cause. They have been myopic in laying down short-term policies for their political gains.
4. Although unacceptable to politicians I have a suggestion: Implement Reservation System to the extent of 49.5% in all govt(Not Private) institutions. Restrict the benefit to 1 Generation to Group A & B employees & for 2 Generations to Group C & D employees & their equivalents in Public Sector Undertakings. Let it continue for half a century & stop at the centenary celebrations of our independence.
Rightly said soon after independence we were divided on a linguistic and geographic basis, and today on the caste basis. It will now definitely divide the country. At the time of independence we did not have so many classes (SC/ST/OBC/EBC). Our great leaders fought the war for independence single mindedly, today dirty politicians are looking for their vote banks, but not the people.
If Govt. is so keen in increasing the quota of reservations, -- Govt. should implement the reservations in - Doctors who are treating them (all ministers and Sr. Govt. dignitaries,Why all are going to foerign countries for treatment, why nit here with reservations?. Is there any answer from Govt.
--choose candidates from reservations for their personal assistants/ secretaries, etc.
This is just a tip of iceberg and I don't think Govt. will improve on reducing reservations rather than increasing them.
RE:Partition of India
by itzballu on May 24, 2006 10:37 PM Permalink
no one today is becoming doctor just by having 15%......go work on some current affairs
Well , institutes will nto loose anything .. but the country will loose .. this is sheer politics on part of govt to give reservations... if they really want to help give the reservation on economic basis ..
What future do u see when ppl with 15% will become doctors and engineers .. this will become living hell..
Today i lost faith in Indian Government finally .. I thought Shri Manmohan Singh was a intelligent and sensible guy but well .. he has been sold .. these polititions and their kids will never be effected becuase they already have looted the country enough .. it is we the midddle class who has lost the battle ..
India's final downfall starts today .. And Mr. manmohan singh history will never forgive you ..
RE:Mr, Manmohan Singh you ditched us
by Vinay Gupta on May 31, 2006 03:28 PM Permalink
What else u were expecting from Dr Manmohan Singh.? I never had any allusion. It is Sonia Ji who has ditched you. It'll be Rahul who will ditch you.
Reservation was accepted for a period of first 10 years of constituent democratic rule. Perinial extension and expansion of it has been critisised by all, except the politicians. It could have been promoted by "Foreign Hand" to ensure that our country looses the acadamic advantage in international arena.
Already premier institutions are facing difficulty in getting proper staff to teach. Soon they will loose the premier status.
RE:Next Partition of India
by Sherlock James on May 25, 2006 02:09 AM Permalink
I am with you brother and i pledge i will never vote for not only the congress but any other political party that is a part of UPA government.
It is now imperative on the part of all us to give kudos to the govt unashmedly trying to hang on to power and led by the PM for achieving this feat that could not be achieved even by the British. The British tried to divide & rule the country by appeasing one section of population & making them fight against the other. They only achieved one thing. That is, uniting the country against them, thanks to the tireless efforts of several selfless leaders. Our UPA govt has gone further & has earned the dubious distinction of perpetuating the policies started by the British but ending up dividing the country on caste lines. Now that the IMA has split & the political leaders of all classes & parties are having a vicarious laugh at the hapless citizens, it is a matter of time before other bodies also split on caste lines. It is a fact that there are innumerable bodies in this country established on caste lines. Most of them were either political or cultural bodies. Now that they have entered the elite professional institutions also, soon we would be seeing such bodies in the IIMs, IITs etc if they are not already there dividing the campuses on caste lines.
