Let me take it this way... => Interstate disputes => Border inflation => Bangladesh terrorist => China claiming land => Pakistan army crossing border 80 or so times. => Blasts in jaipur, delhi, banglore, gujrat.. => Nuclear deal mess => Crore of money in bribing => Ramayna a mytch..ram destroyed ram setu..before was said..it's a natural phenomena => High inflation => Now indian terrorism..
....
can someone tell me are we still proud of india?? everywhere leaders are from majority of population and religion..and we have none in gov't!! it's a shame..not f'n proudness..
Congress is just useless...mix of crappy old..if you don't understand the value or culture of a country's population how can you lead ?
and they say..it's a "Cause of concern" .. should it been US or UK those terrorist were be dead or in their cages..
RE:this way
by Bhoomipalagan on Aug 01, 2008 01:10 AM Permalink
All what you say happenned in BJP time also. Why did'nt you raise your voice then guest. You were a guest of india?
RE:this way
by Santhosh Kumar on Aug 01, 2008 12:12 AM Permalink
Yes, Still I am proud of india,,, Because it is growing like anything.. Articles says.. in 2035 will be world best economy.. all the because of the people in india and indian system...
so I am proud of india...
there is nothing wrong in this deal,, if we want break the deal then just do the N-test.. after paid off of our money...
RE:this way
by Guest on Aug 01, 2008 12:52 AM Permalink
aare ho gavar ghati. By 2035 India will have the largest population, so it is quite obvious it will have one of the largest economy. it is gdp per capita that counts.
RE:this way
by Sandeep on Aug 01, 2008 03:42 AM Permalink
There are a lot of folks who are proud of India. Of-course, India could have done better and that would have been happier but whatever was achieved is no small measure also. Lots still need to be done though..
I strongly feel Nuclear deal is good for India and that is the only good thing I see in your list.
RE:this way
by Abhinav on Aug 01, 2008 07:51 AM Permalink
out of whatever BJP did.. atleast they got balls to test the nuclear bomb to give us an image.. and give us a renewed title of nuclear armeed state..otherwise we could have been sayin..we got bomb..but,, was tested in 1970's...
country security comes first!
nuclear deals seems to good for some and bad for others..
whatever out of head i listed up there..and we proud indians...what are we doing??? ===> ignoring culture.. -->making fun of our own clothing style and food ---->skipping prayers and making fun of hindia and sanskrit.. ---->how many of know prayers,, how many of your kids know religious books..
I grew up in all over NA...and when I visited India..I was surprised to see that indians in india are more westernized then the indian kids in states itself..
i don't know..why it showing guest.. I am proud indian tooo..
RE:Congress party must rename as Cheating Party of India
by Bhoomipalagan on Aug 01, 2008 01:12 AM Permalink
Bjp should be banned or politicians should be forced to retire after 70 years.Then whole of Bjp will be in retirement.lol
Five different versions of tests give you more than enough test data and information to conduct millions of nuclear tests (simulations) in the lab without using valuable fissile materials. So what the heck is the need to test again ???
India had almost 24 years to prepare, configure, execute and pre-analyze the nuclear tests before they carried out in 1998. Pakistan on the other hand had less than 30 days to really prepare tests and pre-analyze the results what ever they may be....idiotic minds only played by India cards !!! So, no matter what really was the technological success about the tests, India learnt a whole lot. Its doubtful if India is going to get anything better by conducting same tests again, so why bother. Unless of course, Paki-stan or China start conducting advanced versions of tests, which I think will be suicide in their own games against India, India does not need to start a whole lot of nothing. I think India played a wonderful game by conducting surprise tests in 1998 after waiting for so many years and caught all US, Pakistan and China napping. End result was that pakistant was and is still isolated and Pakistan's allies US and China are now gung-ho over India. Well played India.
RE:Congress Party completely lied
by Bhoomipalagan on Aug 01, 2008 01:14 AM Permalink
Why bjp chamchas the Left are silent now?They are speechless after N deal defeat ?
RE:Congress Party completely lied
by Victor on Aug 01, 2008 02:07 AM Permalink
BJP wanted its name to appear and hence it was opposing. What else BJP does instigating people against one another
As time pass on new and clever arguments will come from many corners on the various clauses applicable to India. We have already signed the death-warrant. So no more question. Just live as an obedient servant. That is the contribution made by the CONGRESS!!
Look at the statement 'The 123 Agreement does not supersede the Hyde Act. It's a complement and necessary part" and "No aspect of this deal recognises India as a nuclear weapons state."
Another gossip 'Mr. Burns will take charge of a company which is designated for the construction of a few nuclear plants here.' The discussions are over and the terms are finalised. India need to sign in the dotted lines. From the informations available the Projects will be on turn key basis. May be to build and operate and transfer. BOT. The terms are 'confidential.' By all probability it will not come in the ambit of RTI act 2005. The government of India has no role in the project till it is handed over when it will be a junk for decommissioning. Decommissioning is very expensive in Billions of dollars. The project area will be declared 'a protected area' and so no one will be allowed there. Men from abroad will come for the BOT project. Just labourers will be from India. So the know-how will be in tact with them. Complete cost control will be by the company. They will play cut-throat methods to make profit. The politicians will be purchased by the same method used during trust vote. Common man will be just onlookers!! Alas!!
RE:Facts gradually coming out
by Sandeep on Aug 01, 2008 03:03 AM Permalink
Gopal, by now everyone knows: "No aspect of this deal recognizes India as a nuclear weapons state." Did this come to you as a surprise?
Isn't this an exception for India because this deal does not recognize India as a non-nuclear power country also?
Rest of you post is just some conspiracies thoughts you have but none of it is a fact.
RE:RE:Facts gradually coming out
by Gopal on Aug 03, 2008 05:28 AM Permalink
I posted a wrong text. Sorry. Here is the real post please.
Have you come across any of the 'cut throat methods' adopted by these people? Look they are here not to serve India. Unless they are given a license to make profit as they like sure they will not venture into all these plays. Read the technical and financial aspects of N-plants and come with your comments. Some broad pictures are available here in this forum. For further information go to google and search. Do you have any idea about the decommissioning cost? I gave you the link and url. A cursory idea was given by Reporter. I presume you are a Tech. Debate on technical ground. Not on political ground. They (Politicians)are after the “SHARE”. Hope you are not for that. Thanks
RE:Facts gradually coming out
by Gopal on Aug 03, 2008 05:25 AM Permalink
It is not the time for jokes, friends. Help each other to popularise this solar power generation. The media should come up to publicise this project free of cost. The progress of this Solar Power venture depends on the patronage we give to the promoters. Rediff can contribute by publishing more such articles and providing helpful URL s so that interested persons can access it. The government can codify the subsidy issues to make it easily accessible to ordinary men. All government agencies should include this subject (Solar Energy) in their day to day discussions. NGOs are the people the most useful agencies for spreading this awareness to the people. All class rooms should be made the discussion platform for this projects. No harm to include several lessons in the curriculum. In all classes. The content can be prepared according to the level of comprehension.
In fact India has an option to break the deal when needed.. Just conduct a Nuclear test and we are out.. But before that, make sure our investment has paid off..
Arrest MMSingh, Sonia and Pranab and congress chunks for betraying to the nation. They are direct anti-national sitting on the top of the position and openly acting as a CIA-agent of Bush.
RE:Arrest MMSingh, Sonia, Pranab and congress chunks for betraying the nation
by desi on Aug 01, 2008 12:28 AM Permalink
they arrest u as anti Indian, anti -progress commie
RE:Arrest MMSingh, Sonia, Pranab and congress chunks for betraying the nation
by Bhoomipalagan on Aug 01, 2008 01:15 AM Permalink
First arrest Modi and Advani for letting terrorists into gujarat. Lots of poor people have lost their lives because of Modi's carelessness and arrogance.
I hate the Congress party more than anything in this world. I believe that they are a collection of boot-licking weak men who cannot even find a leader among them. In fact I hate them even more than the commies whose policies destroyed my state, Kerala, economically. The commies, who I hated in my college days, though are straight people with a flawed ideology. Its their ideology is is bad, the people themselves are good. The kangressis on the other hand are real slimy wife-swappers whom you'd never associate with socially.
However that being said, it is not correct to apply that hate to the nuclear deal. The deal does not bind us to anything. It just allows us to buy nuclear fuel from the NSG without being a party to NPT. It does not BAN us from testing. If we conduct tests, obviously US could nullify the deal. But that still would not make us worse compared to what we have now. We still would be able to conduct tests without the deal. So the WORST thing that could come out of this is that "if we test in future we'll be back to our current nuclear state". Tell me how's that bad. We could try this out and if it doesnt work, move on! Somebody tell me how this deal has made India a slave to the US? Accoring to me this deal can be summed up as
1 US wants to sell nuclear fuel and technology to INdia for MONEY. However it'll see only if INdia does not use the same for nuclear weapons tests. If INdia conducts nuclear tests the deal could be nullified.
RE:Congress vs Nuclear Deal
by Bhoomipalagan on Aug 01, 2008 01:17 AM Permalink
Who cares whether you hate or love the congress party.They gave bjp a licking in the confidence vote so you are furious.
RE:Congress vs Nuclear Deal
by Gopal on Jul 31, 2008 11:49 PM Permalink
Dear India The N-deal, surrendering our sovereignty. Signed on the black day All political parties are out with scams, criticisms,border war Terrorism, accidents, inter-state disputes, religious dispute, blames etc. More subjects will be born and die to keep the people busy Like the story of a dog and the bone Very soon the N-deal will be signed by our “respected PM”. With his hand tainted while making a scar on Indian democracy With a sharpened dagger Putting all hopes on foreigners, not Indians Forgetting Babha and Nehru and their vision To get nuclear energy after a decade! Projecting a glossy picture ahead.
Several discussions are over on project implementation. The deals are ready to sign including LOANS. With intriguing clauses with far reaching consequences Limiting India's interference All shrouded in the word 'confidential' To be signed in the dotted lines. The congress has no say again. They have already collected the 'share'. In between, other political parties had the share, Hope not? The details could be known via gossip alone? The whole drama will continue till all papers are signed. Looser? The dear nation- its sovereignty and independence. Gained through sacrifices of many PATRIOTS Across the country, spanning 100 years.
Start flow of FDI -abundant The share market gets a sudden boost Destined to stop when the FDI stops Feel of comfort in every field for a while. And decline in cultural values.
RE:RE:Congress vs Nuclear Deal
by Gopal on Jul 31, 2008 11:52 PM Permalink
Dilly dallying by special interests Delay in project, call for revision of project cost Leaders of the day get the share, both sides No murmuring! Device mechanism to link unit price with inflation If not in the signed deal, technically right. No murmuring! Excuses from treasury benches, allegations from opposition. Everything moves as scheduled by the unknown Uranium shortage, excuses, blame on world market Regular revision of unit price Linked to the dictated price of Uranium Near end of Uranium supply, idling the plant Decommissioning of plants, Keep nuclear waste safe for ten thousand years Herculean task indeed!! $3 Billions per year for ten years for every plant By the present international data and standard. All finance from foreign loans. The one politicians love Defined by the words perestroika and glasnost Only in words, not in deeds.
In between the Indian financial structure crumble By awarding BOT projects Government looses all controls, Inflation rise to unimaginable levels. Wish not happen! Excuses and blames..... Destruction of cultural values built over eons God may protect us from radiation and terrorists ..... The individuals worked for the N-deal live in oblivion.
Intelligentsia, NGOs, Non political organizations, individuals Think over The people's call, Keep India united SAVE US!!
US wants to sell nuclear fuel and technology to INdia for MONEY. However it'll see only if INdia does not use the same for nuclear weapons tests. If INdia conducts nuclear tests the deal could be nullified.
2 India would like to invest more in nuclear energy for which it needs fuel from NSG. India considers the NPT to be unfair and will not sign it. India resaeves right to TEST if needed and would not allow international minitoring of its military reactors.
RE:Congress vs Nuclear Deal
by ACM on Aug 01, 2008 12:02 AM Permalink
I agree that the deal is good for India no doubt about it especially when you consider the opposite. But you want to approach it clearly knowing that India can not test nuclear weapons without sufficient provocation (i.e. from China or Pak). i.e. India can not test nuclear weaponrey even on an experimental basis. If the scientists (as they claim) got it right first time, then this should be no concern for India because in any case, no one in the world is looking to test nuclear devices except Iran/North Korea type of countries of which North Korea seems to have abandoned its programme In any case North Korea and Iran are not a direct threat for India. If Pak or China begin to test then India has the moral right to test so the US or the NSG will not stop supply in such cases.
If India did more testing now, there would be severe economic consequences so they're not planning on doing it. In that sense, India got the 1998 timeframe right for the testing strategically speaking. At this moment in time, India is too dependent on world economy for it's survival and progress so it can not do the testing due to the consequences so why not make use of this situation.
If the welfare of India is primarily important, it's a no brainer - Nuke deal is good for India. This will also be important to find out in the open who are India's friends and enemies when it comes to NSG meeting voting.
RE:RE:Congress vs Nuclear Deal
by ACM on Aug 01, 2008 12:07 AM Permalink
A word on Indian politics. I like to believe that by and large, politicians have good intentions but their vision is myopic to the concerns of the populace which get them into power. But then, that is the essence of Democracy and it's better than the alternatives out there. The expectation is that the politicians at the national level keep national interest primary. In this sense both the BJP and the left have failed India and hopefully, they will be shown the boot in the coming elections.
RE:Congress vs Nuclear Deal
by kshitij tumbde on Aug 01, 2008 01:13 AM Permalink
Keep your rubbish with yourself. Last time India tested nuclear weapon, other countries started to see it with respect and the economy boomed due to offshore outsourcing. There is no link of economy to nuclear test.
