I can't understand this hue and cry over the nuclear deal.
Mr AJ Abdul Kalam is apolitical and has given his nod to the deal; so has BJP's former National Security Adviser Brijesh Mishra.
Left parties are rightly termed 'red monkeys' by the Shiv Sena in opposing the deal. Its like have a member of your family ringing the deathknell while your enemies considering to bail you out.
As regards inflation, India is in a hole like the rest of the world and there is nothing that our learned MM Singh or Chidambaram can do however hard they try.
Im employed in Saudi Arabia. It has the cheapest petrol (Rs 4.85 a litre) and still has an inflation of 11% compared to 2.8% in Dec. Qatar too is in deep hole with inflation having reached 15.7% this week.
The goverment has done what it could but with crude prices going through the roof one can only hope and pray. I still feel India is a much cheaper place to live in the present scenario.
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Hate Who divides on Jul 01, 2008 08:44 PM Permalink
Brother Inflation does not effect those who has been sitting on PC writing comment on rediff.....................its for those who cant earn for their livelihood
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Bonaventure on Jul 01, 2008 08:55 PM Permalink
Agree.. but we are like the fishes in the ocean.. they come in all shape and size but have to learn to live together during a passing storm that has engulfed the entire world
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Gourav Mathur on Jul 01, 2008 11:27 PM Permalink
2 things i wanne say - inflation in india can be controlled by agricultural output as we are a 60% agricultural economy so a river interlinking project could have boosted all drought affected regions with the blessing of waters from flooded regions and himalayas
2'nd u say saudi has less petrol price and still have high inflation. - here u forgot that saudi only has petrol, nothing else on which they can actually rely, india is different we have everything apart from fuel and fuel is like a 10% cause of inflation in a country like india. imagine india is biggest exporter or rice and today to meet domestic demand india bans export of rice....thanks to congress policy whose policymakers are busy appeasing muslims or dividing hindus on castes...
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Gopal on Jul 01, 2008 11:38 PM Permalink
The crux of Indo US N-deal centered around Uranium. According to Dr.APJ, Uranium is not the right fuel for India. India does not have Uranium deposits. But we have Thorium in abundance. So we should focus on programmes to develop the technology based on Thorium. In a 'world energy report' it is reported that fossil fuel will be scarce in another six decades. So we must proceed with programmes for solar power, nuclear power, bio-diesel, wind power etc. Any agreement signed should not stop us from choosing our friend and live according to our consciousness. Even before finalising the deal, countries started dictating terms for supply of fuel etc. We can imagine the extent to which such brawling will go after the final 'signature'. There should be a transparent and free discussion on the deal in the public domain. Otherwise as Gautam said we are loosing our freedom. 'We should have energy independence' according to D. APJA Kalam
RE:This is pull out is the agonizing death rattle of a dying savage and traitor.
by George on Jul 02, 2008 02:48 AM Permalink
wish to see the lefts are being kicked out from Kerala and bengal,these two states need antileft leaders who could save from these sunagachi generation.
well..i for one am waiting for the day the communists withdraw support.....do u really think they gonna do that...they also full realise that they will not be part of the central government next time on....so jab tak ye log malai kha sakte hain khaaenge.... and if they actually do withdraw...that will be a golden day for india as we will get rid of these hypocrite communists...for ever, i hope... how i wish that these lal jhandas don't even get a single seat in the next lok sabha...
RE:jaldi karo
by ByTheWay on Jul 01, 2008 06:57 PM Permalink
Left's seats may come down..but still this crap party will somehow manage around 30 thanks to WB. In Kerala out of 20 they may not even touch 6 this time. The major hit will also be for cong who should feel lucky if they touch 115 seats.
RE:jaldi karo
by merry sailor on Jul 01, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
i guess u are right...but we can hope for the best....won't even drop a single tear if congress losses...I do hope to seeMr. adavani on the PMs chair and hope he dosen't follow the policy of minority appeasement, whetehr muslims or SC ST OBCs etc etc...why just can't we treat all Indian's equal...well as it was said " all men are equal...but some are more equal than the others"....
RE:jaldi karo
by ByTheWay on Jul 01, 2008 07:25 PM Permalink
thats the sad state of affair of our political system - all these pseudo seculars are after the 15% vote of the minorites. These guys only give communal colour to everything and blame BJP for all cases. Just take this one - Left has issued statements off-the-records that the deal is anti-muslim becos its against Iran , what more should someone say to be called as communal ? Still the political 'thinkers','experts' and large part of the media call BJP communal. They dont mind '84 , J&K, nandigram and many more.
RE:Good for India, then definitely bad for China
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 06:35 PM Permalink
They the US only say that with our technical transfers and uranium supply, do not make bombs. What we do with our technology and our uranium supply is out of the purview of the agreement.
RE:Good for India, then definitely bad for China
by Hate Who divides on Jul 01, 2008 09:47 PM Permalink
In Hyde act sec4.2.D state as"(D) A description of the steps that India is taking to work with the United States for the conclusion of a multilateral treaty banning the production of fissile material for nuclear weapons, including a description of the steps that the United States has taken and will take to encourage India to identify and declare a date by which India would be willing to stop production of fissile material for nuclear weapons unilaterally or pursuant to a multilateral moratorium or treaty." .........what does this mean
RE:RE:NUKE
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 06:28 PM Permalink
Their currency is higher because from dollar assets, interest shifts to other hard currencies like Euro, pound, Swiss Franc, yen etc. This due to speculation as in commodity markets which are unregulated. For 5-6% you can take positions unlike in equity markets you need to put up at least 50%
RE:RE:RE:NUKE
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 06:30 PM Permalink
Inflation is low since their currency appreciates. But it makes their exports also uncompetitive. So it creates unemployment
RE:NUKE
by Hell Boy on Jul 01, 2008 07:07 PM Permalink
India does not need another Nuclear test as there is nothing to prove to anybody since we are already a Nuclear Country. 2) India is full with Thorium deposits, India needs Uranium, and Urnanium can can only be supplied by the countries which fall into the NSG. 3) Nuclear energy is given importance to take a bit of load from our oil imports, remember the inflation rate is going high in our country because of Indias heavy dependence on oil, and Nuclear energy will be beneficial in long run, so even the developed countries also support Nuclear energy. You are talking about oil prices i think India has still done well by keeping the price under check, you need to check the oil prices in US they are still soaring even though US is know to supply oil to countries like Japan, China tell me why didnt they stoip their supplied to China and Japan and reduced the oil prices over here. The day by day rise in oil prices is nothing but a big scam as there is not such great increase in demand for oil against its production but still the prices are rising. This could be one of the step taken by the wester countries to curb the growth of developing countries like India which depends heavily on oil imports for its energy requirements. India is too much dependent on Oil so we need to have the alternate source of energy which could marginally reduce our dependence on oil.
Thats the reason i think this deal is very important.
Other thing dont support this left paties since their loyal
RE:NUKE
by Hell Boy on Jul 01, 2008 09:49 PM Permalink
Oh is it sick head i didn knew about it, thank for informing me about it. Read me again India already declared itself nuclear after the test that means the tests were successful. So first read and understand what others are saying or kee getting your a-$-$ whooped $uckaaa
RE:RE:NUKE
by Bonaventure on Jul 01, 2008 07:22 PM Permalink
Im employed in Saudi Arabia... Petrol is less than Rs 5 a litre.. (the cheapest in the world).
INflation in Saudi Arabia is 11% .. in December it was just 2.8%. Qatar having the best Gas resources inflation currently is 15.8% (December it was just 6%)
I still think India is better place to live in the present scenario with Crude Oil Prices going through the roof.
RE:NUKE
by Rajkumar V on Jul 01, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
Real cuase of signing this deal is to promote Indian stratagy to get entry in to the power group of US/EU and few other Asian democracies like Japan who control the capital of world and direction of world business.India also want to be a permanant member of UNSC alongwith Germany, Japan and Brazil. US is the key player in the world afairs. China and Russia alliance is threat to US hegemony in world economy and military power. To retain this position US needs India in their group. After Soviet disintegration US leaders and capital elites are trying to drift India from Russia. Indian economical distress during 1992 made Indian leader aware of liberalization of capital flow from ouside. Only US and EU corporates were in capacity to do this. China also understood the same but being communist model it had to adopt state capitalism where state becomes major player with puppets in its name on surface. India needs to be major player in world economy to keep its businesses moving. The old policy of Non alignment cannot be successful for nations. A nation has to be in a group of friends and allies to force its own policies on others. If you are billionair you must have strong security to safegurd your assets. US is doing this for 60 years after WW2. Bullying others is part of this game. Secondly India is a energy defficient country. It badly needs oil for economic growth. US is after Iran for oil. Once Iran falls to US India will be in trouble.Its better to be with US.
RE:NUKE
by Niraj Kumar on Jul 01, 2008 06:50 PM Permalink
The issue of being a nuclear power state and keep doing nuclear testing for military purposes will always be of low priority as comapred to the priorites mentioned by you. These priorities will always remain before India for the years to come. Does that mean we should not have nuclear inspiration at all unless we address the priority issues? This is not how a country runs.
Even China is having the same problems (with less degree) but it still has imperialistic and expansionist aspirations and want to become most powerful nation in the world.
Communists have always vehemently opposed the Indian governments in past whenever they had done nuclear testing. Now all of a sudden they are crying that the 123 treaty will not allow India to do nuclear testing. This is double standards at its best.
They haven't pull their support from the government when it was inactive in controling inflation but all the hell break loose when the govt decided to go ahead with 123 treaty. This shows what is the priority of left parties. They can tolerate inflation but not the treaty. They have exposed themselves of their true colours and they still claim that they are for the poor mass, who don't know even abc of the treaty.
THe left are already marganilsed as there are others waiting for it to happen.The situation now is Advantage SP-Mulayam which will jump into the fray and help UPA to avoid aearly poll as no one wants it.THis is an era of interdependence and you cannot harm others excluding yourself.The left will feel the sand slip under their feet when their rhetorics will boomrang on them paving the path of self destruction
RE:drama of indo-us deal
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:14 PM Permalink
Right. Even now they, together with SP, might jointly b doing so to deflect the attention of the people from the galloping inflation.
RE:drama of indo-us deal
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 06:24 PM Permalink
Yes once BJP is voted in, global commodity prices including oil will crash. Yes, senile Advani holds the magic wand. India can pursue globalization and still ensure that it is decouple from global inflation. Our stock market will surge while those in other parts of the world crash,
RE:drama of indo-us deal
by Rajkumar V on Jul 01, 2008 06:27 PM Permalink
It is because of inflation that congress want to pass little more time otherwise they wished elections by Oct-Nov in original plan. but it seems they want to delay it till Feb with the help of SP.
RE:drama of indo-us deal
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 06:32 PM Permalink
It is the prerogative of the ruling party to call elections at the opportune time
RE:Left cannot be right!
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:16 PM Permalink
The position of 5 nuclear countries like China, USA, France, Russia & UK is different from India. Hyde act will not b applicable to China.
RE:Left cannot be right!
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 06:18 PM Permalink
Do not club Russia and France with the rest. Russia recently provided heavy water to India
RE:Left cannot be right!
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:27 PM Permalink
U or I do not decide whom to club or not club. These 5 countries hv special rights, which others do not hv. They hv monopoly of nuclear bombs and nuclear technology.
RE:Left cannot be right!
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 06:10 PM Permalink
They only say that with our technical transfers and uranium supply, do not make bombs. What we do with our technology and our uranium supply is out of the purview of the agreement.
RE:Left cannot be right!
by Milind Kulkarni on Jul 01, 2008 06:39 PM Permalink
Nothing. We can continue to develope nuclear weapons. But for the weapons to be reliable, we will have to Test. No amount of computer simulations can substitute actual tests. We have so far tested some 5 or 6 devices. US and other nuclear powers have except Pakistan have done a large number of tests.
Once we test, the 123 agreement is terminated. NSG - who would supply the fuel, works on consensus and US holds significant influence in this group. If US can not supply uranium under 123 agreement because we tested, the NSG won't supply it either. So the power plants in India would suffer.
This is I believe is extremely unreliable arrangement for such a costly equipments and fuel that we tax payers would pay for.
US helped India with Green revolution which increased prosperity of Punjab farmers. Now nuclear deal is required to save India from high oil prices. India is technologically weak it will require help from US and China. If not we are in big trouble. Nothing wrong to take help until we develop ourselves. After all despite all diffrences with US, US has always helped us. Turkey 99% muslim country is pro-US. So it is a myth that Indian muslims are against everything that comes from US.
"We, all the Left parties, will also hold a joint meeting on July 4 and take a unified decision that as soon as the government goes ahead with the deal we will withdraw support to the government."
Then all commies like us will go to China, to see if we can do something from there
RE:RE:Then all Commies go to China
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 06:01 PM Permalink
Why not GoI give them a one-way ticket. Let me before the Olympics so they can watch it too
