Nehru clearly divided the country into regions so that caste do not come together, so one can still, for example, oppress a tamil dalit and instill a sense of pride for the language/culture thus avoiding caste grouping. This has however failed and the divisions are now based both upon caste and region in India...
RE:Once again Pandit Nehru's stratergy failed
by Astute Analyst on Apr 12, 2008 09:31 PM Permalink
Nehru opposed the linguistic organization of the states. Hence, the assertion that he used regional card to counter caste is factually incorrect.
RE:Once again Pandit Nehru's stratergy failed
by Sicilian on Apr 12, 2008 09:35 PM Permalink
Everyone knows Nehru was a great supporter of linguistic division of the country, this may yet be another upper caste gimmick to change history.
RE:STONGER OBCs SNATCH THE OPPORTUNITIES OF WEAKER OBCs
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 09:28 PM Permalink
That is a fault of the politics. However, i know the community that have created this entire hatred system by generating the caste.
Reservation is a "prevelige", but a small "compensation" for the trauma and oppression communities have been subjected to for 2000 years. Even that is being snatched by using emotional blackmailing! Shame!
RE:Scaremongering!
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 09:25 PM Permalink
Please shed the isolationist view of just looking at merit, discounting the circumstances that let to the development of that merit.
RE:Scaremongering!
by BlueBoy on Apr 12, 2008 09:56 PM Permalink
I have numerous examples of poor rickshaw walla's son becoming IAS. If they can do despite abject poverty....why can't the not-so-poor hypocrite OBCs.
I don't think OBC people have that bad circumstances as SC/STs in our country that you CLAIM. People like way are always afraid of standing up....because you morally you can't....and always like a free ride.
RE:Scaremongering!
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 10:05 PM Permalink
Caste and Economics are two different dimensions so please stop mixing them. In the Indian system, people were oppressed and denied opportunities not on the basis of their economic condition, but on the basis of their caste.
RE:Glabal Mastemind
by varghese on Apr 12, 2008 09:17 PM Permalink
GREAT JOKE....
ALL THESE RESERVATIONS ARE MEANT ONLY FOR HINDUS AND NONE ELSE..WHAT DO THE CHRISTIANS GET??? NOTHING..AND U GUYS BLAME US FOR ALL UR SELF INFLICTED INJURIES..HOW SECULAR U GUYS ARE WE ALL KNOW..ALL RESERVATIONS ALL QUOTA ONLY MADE FOR HINDUS ENJOYED BY HINDUS SINCE INDEPENDENCE..NOW BLAME SONIA..THEN BLAME MINORITIES
RE:Glabal Mastemind
by Anupam Srivastava on Apr 12, 2008 09:34 PM Permalink
christian ....hm those britishers who ruled india with an iron fist, caused so much tortures, looted our wealth, dessimated our heritage and u converted into their religion because they promised u safety till death shame on u and now want reservation, u all must be kicked out of india for supporting such barbaric people and follwing their way of worship
RE:Glabal Mastemind
by Ajit Kumar on Apr 12, 2008 09:49 PM Permalink
The most backward people have converted to christianity before 300 years ago.The number of converts have increased in British rule.Traditionally these converts are opportunists and do anything for money.One should really appreciate the few Hindus surviving in Christian dominated areas of Central Kerala.Because of their character and quality they withstand all pressures of conversion.
RE:RE:Glabal Mastemind
by subbu on Apr 12, 2008 10:16 PM Permalink
Mr.Vargheese, why do christians need reservation-they can misuse minority rules to their best advantage and exploit all socieities to hilt!In tamilnadu almost 40% of the 285 engineering colleges are minority owned where as the christian population in Tamilnadu is only2.5%!!Take arts colleges,management institutions-it is the same story.But remember all christian institutions are getting grants from government almost 100%!!so they cleverly use Hindu tax money for upgrading themselves!Understand and accept they are the most cruel and worst exploiters just like the romans who exploited the Jews during the life of Jesus!In fact the fact is jesus was just a revolter against roman atracities and he was a glorified Prabakarn for collecting people against roman misrule!Please go through the history of goa,brazil,argentina etc and find for yourself how rotten beasts these christians were just to convert all of them to christianity!Have you heard of bloody wars?In fact 2000 years before India was the richest country and a country of culture-see now what these muslim and christian barbarians have done to us-one of my Hindu brother converted to christianity is taling against HIndus!Shame on you!
RE:YADAV COMMUNITY HAD 4 CHIEF MINISTERS. THEY ARE CALLED OBCs.
by varghese on Apr 12, 2008 09:19 PM Permalink
TRUE..WHAT SIN DID CHRISTIANS DO..WHY DENY THEM THESE QUOTA...
RE:YADAV COMMUNITY HAD 4 CHIEF MINISTERS. THEY ARE CALLED OBCs.
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 09:22 PM Permalink
None should be denied for it. If he is facing the irregularity of the system neither christian nor muslim or anyone.
RE:YADAV COMMUNITY HAD 4 CHIEF MINISTERS. THEY ARE CALLED OBCs.
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 09:14 PM Permalink
Oh Comeon It's not fair. Carry out our discussion under same message board.
If those belonging to so called upper caste can shed the caste from their bodies. I am sure that none of the OBC SC or ST will be asking for any kind of reservation.
However if you can't and wanna move with caste system then you don't have a right to talk about the reservation.
AS THE RESERVATION IS TOTALLY DEPENDENNT ON THE CASTE SYSTEM. REMOVE THE CASTE, NONE WILL BE ASKING FOR RESERVATION.
RE:Open offer
by Parthasarathy Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 09:27 PM Permalink
This is a regular cry from you guys.The uppercaste or the socalled never cried for reservation for themselves.They perform and get it or dont get it. This OBC,SC,ST are ctreated by the other guys in the name of UC domination!! now define how many UC leaders, netas in the public life. in ministry ..It is the otherguys in the name of caste .. and in TN it is always a stampede to add every caste in the list of SC,ST, and now OBC.Even ambedkar has wisely said to stop this reservation after some years and we are in 61 Y still crying.It is unique and in India only.Now none of the learned are speaking of the Ambedkars embargo on the reservations.. he is only in the photo and staue form..but they talk of everything else. God can only save the poor, underprivileged, down trodden Indians from all the caste from UC to Tribal ,cant even get schooling, unable to move forward thanks to only the castiest system? of RESERVATION that toooooo for graduation and IIT,IIM?.Guys u are born with diamond studded spoon, and served in silver platter from the tax payers money??
RE:Open offer
by jamaalgota on Apr 12, 2008 09:31 PM Permalink
You seem to have a mental block about caste system. Today's reservation policy is based on caste system but why can't the basis of reservation be changed? Why cant it be made purely on the basis of economical status of a person, irrespective of his/her caste and community? You dont want this to happen bcause you are afraid of losing the advantage of reservation if there is no criteria of caste in it. If you are honestly keen on getting rid of caste system, then you should support the economic criteria without hesitation. Do you have the guts?
RE:Open offer
by varghese on Apr 12, 2008 09:19 PM Permalink
ALL RESERVATIONS R MEANT FOR HINDUS AND THEM ALONE..INDIA IS MEANT FOR HINDUS AND THEM ALONE..OTHERS LIKE CHRISTIANS HAVE NO SPACE GIVEN TO THEM..
RE:OBCs DON'T DESERVE RESERVATIONS !!!
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 09:05 PM Permalink
OBC reservation is not based on caste only. Patel belonging to gujrat are never given any kind of reservation. However, those living in UP are provided such kind of facility. I am not saying that all the reservation policy is totally correct. However to survive in this nation, you have to move with certain dark aspects in order to spread more light.
I couldn't understand about the mentionality of those who are opposing the reservation.
Like you i am also against of any kind of reservation. however, you will have to reform whole society from the ill effect of caste.
Remove the caste from the entire society in all aspect including marriage. We won't be needing any kind of reservation.
RE:OBCs DON'T DESERVE RESERVATIONS !!!
by Arnav Singh on Apr 12, 2008 09:17 PM Permalink
Shalu...u cant understand the mentality of those who are opposing the reservation b'coz u dont have that mental level. Try to rise above ur pathetic mental level dear...think abt all poor n underprivilaged people. And there r upper cast people also who r poor n underprivilaged...y shld they suffer?just b'coz they cannot form good number vote bank?
RE:OBCs DON'T DESERVE RESERVATIONS !!!
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 09:22 PM Permalink
reservation while compensation certain oppressed communities can come across as a penalty for the perpetrators. in fact people from the perpetrators communities ask why should be punished for faults they personally didn't commit. what they fail to understand is that reservation is about effecting a communal correction in indian society and individuals belonging to the perpetrator communities should accept this with grace.
RE:OBCs DON'T DESERVE RESERVATIONS !!!
by Arnav Singh on Apr 12, 2008 09:28 PM Permalink
Gopal Krishna....somebody tells u that ur grandfather of great grandfather once forcefully acquired a piece of land of a person. n that person's great great sons now demand that u shld b punished for the act of ur ancestor....n u shld accept that punishment with "grace". Will u accept the punishment?? tell by ur heart n soul.
RE:OBCs DON'T DESERVE RESERVATIONS !!!
by Gopal Krishna on Apr 12, 2008 09:37 PM Permalink
look there is a difference between individual crimes and communal crimes...okay let us stay with your argument and look at it from another angle, not of the perpetrator but of the victim. doesn't the victim deserve compensation? yes i might feel bad for being penalised for something i personally didn't do, but it is only "fair" that i "share" with the victim's descendents what i have. it is better than a tit-for-tat punishment where i may have give up the entire land that has been passed on to me through unlawful acquisition.
RE:RE:RE:OBCs DON'T DESERVE RESERVATIONS !!!
by Arnav Singh on Apr 12, 2008 09:45 PM Permalink
u touched wrong wires here....Trust me, actually my girlfrnd (my wld b wife).... is an OBC. n i really love her. Though from OBC she never used a cast certificate...n is a doctor with distinction...n i m proud of her. n yes...my parents n my culture have taught me to respect people who r unbiased, who have self-esteem n who dont enjoy life of mercy.....irrespective of cast n religion. n my family n culture have taught me not to consider anyone small in any form of life. They also taught me to touch feet of elder people whom we know....from ne cast. I commented on u seeing ur comments n views. May b ur parents n culture teaches u to comment on other peoples family n culture when u r targetted n not them.neways...i told u cast of my wld b wife....now u r against reservation??
RE:OBCs DON'T DESERVE RESERVATIONS !!!
by Jairaj on Apr 12, 2008 09:58 PM Permalink
Hi Shalu, My parents never used there cast names as our surnames and most of our property was abbrogated in the name of land reforms(they participated in the campain for land reforms), but they never complained but wehre ever I have been be it for a job in a public sector or admission to college or getting sanction for any govt scheme.. the first thing I was asked was my caste..If this is the way the govt want to do away with castism then I won't mind my kids flaunting their casts..At least the people they are interacting will knoe that whatever they have achived is based on their own ability and not achived by the alms given by the current casteist regime...
RE:RE:OBCs DON'T DESERVE RESERVATIONS !!!
by Arnav Singh on Apr 12, 2008 10:16 PM Permalink
Shalu..u r not even of capacity to talk with grace... I gave a comparative issue to the "attrocities from generation" arguement of most of bc/obc people given here in support of reservation. So first try to understand what one wants to say. Now ur marriage n remove casteism thing. May b u have a problem with that. B'coz my gf (wld b wife) is obc n a doctor. She never used ne reservation..which is one of the reasons i respect her. Now one suggestion...do not bring parents here....i asked u n not ur parents. So i can c wat education they gave u....(u gave me this point...i personally never judge people's parents by seeing them n vice versa). I have been taught by my parents to respect all people who have self esteem n hard working. It doesnt seem the same for u..may b u have been taught (by ur part) to b without self esteem.
RE:OBCs DON'T DESERVE RESERVATIONS !!!
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 09:11 PM Permalink
they are already aprated by forming creamy layer my dear friend. However the kids of those OBCs are still forced to listen senseless comments of the whole society. I had been one of them.
RE:REASERVATION IN INDIA IS HELPING ONLY HINDUS!!!
by Anil P on Apr 12, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
you are a mad christian invader of India. Of u are not accep the hindu tradition , u better go UK or US
RE:REASERVATION IN INDIA IS HELPING ONLY HINDUS!!!
by varghese on Apr 12, 2008 09:24 PM Permalink
anil..ur a shame to ur ownself..ur an foolish person who has no idea of ur own history..the hindus were invaders ..they invaded India..and settled down here..this country was never Hindu..but pagan prior to the arival of Hindus from accross the borders..as far as Iran and beyound..read some history and get some foolish ideas of ur kind erased..Christianity is as foreign to this land called Indis as much as Hinduism..save time..by the way Chritianity in India is older than British rule/portugese rule in India..infact much before England became Christian People In India accepted Christianity..learn some History of Christianity in India before talking bullpee..and if i am not mistaken u guys even can kill ur parents to get to USA..any doubts about that...stop spreading BJP/RSS propagandas here
RE:REASERVATION IN INDIA IS HELPING ONLY HINDUS!!!
by Jairaj on Apr 12, 2008 10:02 PM Permalink
Ask any body in south Kerala about how they treat their aged parents then you will get your answer on who is mistrating whom for going to USA...
Statutory Info: I am from General Category (not upper caste). I feel that govt should make all the 100% seat reserved. Let the GCs build their own private institutions. I bet that these new insts will even be better than govt ones.
RE:100% quota
by Sicilian on Apr 12, 2008 09:01 PM Permalink
Hey you fool, your selfish religion and all these "law of nature" have spoiled the whole country. Now the OBC's are using the same "survival of the fittest" as a group theory and going to slaughter you .. Hinduism is the misery of India.
RE:100% quota
by jamaalgota on Apr 12, 2008 09:38 PM Permalink
Then u shd be opposing the reservation based on caste. Why don't you do that? You are talking both ways. Looks like you are too confused to take a firm stand. Would be better if you stop you blahblah.
RE:100% quota
by manoj jaiswal on Apr 12, 2008 09:54 PM Permalink
first of all take some courage to post message with your real name. you are right, i am talkning both way because i belive in expression of freedom and equality..
RE:RE:100% quota
by manoj jaiswal on Apr 12, 2008 09:14 PM Permalink
you know what...bc of people like you india need reservation..education is not your private property mr. bramhin. I am a baniya having education in one of the ebst college in india.and belive me not a single bramhin in my school have dare to comepete neither at that time nor today...so go and check the reality...looks like you are still reading manu sahinta....
RE:100% quota
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 09:17 PM Permalink
Oh really. See i am a OBC and asking for my share with open discussion. If you have a courage to prove that i am wrong with your logical comments. You are most welcome but we will fight with true mind. You dare to accept my true statement and i promise to accept yours.
RE:RE:100% quota
by shalu on Apr 12, 2008 08:57 PM Permalink
Hahaha By the way which kind of fittest you are talking off? Where you have read that brahmins are fittest, might your community so called upper caste say so. We don't believe in superiority of a person based on caste.
