Expatraite are ready to join best Industry, but nowadays HR bargain as if they buy vegitables. Expert make decission to join the best industry and HR points out weak areas in his CV and start bargaining and bring his confidence down. Why ? Why ?....
People in US paid high, and India they have to fight with HR for basic needs...
Please contact me as i am also expatraite and ready to return to india for better future.
PKL. July 9,2006,Sunday SriPai's estimate about major BOPS and IT growth rates of Indian Multinationals are highly exalting , one hopes these are not pipe-dreams but based on realistic projections of growth trends in the fast growing IT sector.One doubts if these same is true in sectors like road-Building ,heavy manufacturing, hard-ware,Steel, Power and Petro-chemicals and refineries.We must realize the truth that there is always a slip between cup and the lip.Secondly,we must synergise our vast large army of unskilled work-force by crash training and Chains of ITIS &Polytechniques.Mr. Pai as a philanthropist and mentor of India's modernisers among other things also may find some way of addressing this kind of raising the value of Indian Labour by skill-formations and training Programmes, to sustain the high rate of India's Industrialization. sectors.
Why Infosys considers academic marks so important
by Sandeep on Jul 10, 2006 06:53 PM Permalink
Why infosys looks at academic marks so much, even for guys with 5 yrs experience in reputed companies. More so when different university has different benchmark for giving marks. I know personally in Calcutta university 5 yrs back, getting above 60% was a difficult task which is quite easy in other university.Mohandas Pai should know better that syllabus of most of the university are more inclined toward cramming, than analysis and understanding. Exams of our universities are like one day cricket match, where merit of a student depends on how he performs on that particular day. When we are still following the pattern of "answer 5 questions out of 10 in 200 words", does he sincerely think this system of exam will be the catalyst of a programmer?
I would wish to say that Infosys had adopted a ridiculous policy of recruiting based on the academic record,which appears quite bizzarre.
There may be many students,who do not secure good marks in school or college,but highly talented.Recruiting employees based on their academic scores is not the way to recruit people.
I would have appreciated if they conducted analytical,reasoning and problem solving tests for recruitment,as they are the real basis on judging the real capabilities of students.
And moreover,I just cannot believe the number of people they are recruiting.Its more like a herd of cattle than anything else.And I also wonder,about the profits of the company in hiring so many people.Infy only managed to get in to the billion dollar earning companies ,a few months back and they already have close to 53000 people?
RE:Highly ridiculous recruiting policy
by InfyFan on Jul 10, 2006 12:08 PM Permalink
well i am a fan of infy for wat they have created in india. but no doubt tht infy's recruitment policy sucks. they just give a apptitude test and any one who clears it get through after a small talk with HR. and let me tell mr pai that ppl do cheat a lot in thier test to get through. they hire ppl who dont have any talent, have never studied in college, but think they know all and deserves very fat packages. and when they dont get what they dont deserves they curse their own infy like any thing. i think infy should make their recruitment a bit more strict.
RE:Highly ridiculous recruiting policy
by VJ on Jul 09, 2006 02:19 AM Permalink
I toally agree to what vijay has to say...recruitment policy should not be only based upon the academic records...because there are people who score high but only has therotical knowledge which is byhearted which is easily possible in the type of environment our universities work...they do not have any practical knowledge...and on the other side there are people who score average but are good at analytical thinking and practical stuff...so the HR department should definately go with the people with practical knowledge as that is wot is required ultimately....
RE:Highly ridiculous recruiting policy--Rubbish allegations against prestigious organization
by Siddharth Puranik on Jul 09, 2006 04:53 PM Permalink
RE:But how many quit?
I will like to answer some of the rubbish allegations against Infosys: Manisha says: 1) I think Infosys should think that of many of them are on bench. ---
Sid:: Who is she to comment on company policies??If infy is paying all the peoploe on bench then what is the problem with this lady??
Why they ask to appear for Aptitude even having 8 or 9 years experience people. It means those who don't have aptitude are not able to work?
Sid:: Infosys does not ask you for aptitude test if experience is more than 4 years.If you do not know the internal processes in infy,pls. do not post such rubbish things on message board.
Foolish fundas they use so i alwya hate their recrument process.
Sid:: Again who is this lady?If she is having some commons sense,she would not have said like this.Infosys does not care for such type of attitude.
RE:Highly ridiculous recruiting policy
by Wonder on Jul 10, 2006 03:01 PM Permalink
Yes. Their recruiting policy is highly ridiculous. I have been through it. The marks card is the only criteria, no matter the candidate doesn't have even a little piece of brain with him, only such people are preferred. I also know quite few guys who are simply doing useless stuff there only because its Infosys.
RE:Highly ridiculous recruiting policy
by Venkat Rajan on Jul 09, 2006 02:38 PM Permalink
Hi Vijay, It is NOT a ridiculous policy. Have you ever had an opportunity to interview any potential candidate at an entry level or even at a lateral level. You should understand that we are talking about science and not arts, where the judgment on abilities depend on your ability to get good scores in your graduation and a secondary method to validate the basic aptitute is through some basic tests. There is no other magic or science by which you can make your judgement - when people have to work on complex projects for different countries under strict timelines. Hence reserve your unqualified comments for future!!!
We doff our hats off in admiration to the efforts of Infosys in creating world class IT services and at the same time supplying jobs to society while creating affluence. In this regard it is inevitable that Infosys starts a center of education like an Institute of IT for gaining students through full time, part time and distance education programmes, these students will help power Infosys ahead. Further this institute can also serve as a Research and Development center. In partnership with other colleges the Infosys Institute of IT can help strengthen the IT educational infrastructure. _ Sunil S Chiplunkar
RE:Infosys Institute of IT
by Renjith on Jul 08, 2006 01:20 AM Permalink
Hi!,
What is the great contribution of Infosys towards Computer Science? I've worked in Infy for 2months. I left Infy just because I felt like I'll be wasting my career.
Why Infy is recruiting people from top institutes like IIT, REC etc. and simply make them do some data base or Java stuff? Whatever you study from your college doesn't make much sense when you start working in such companies. All they want some people who are ready to study and do anything which is no way related to what they have studied in college. They don't require your knowledge or what your skills are, they just want the degree you have and a mindset to study and do anything they teach.
How competent are the Infy guys on an average compared with people who work in some good companies in the same domain? I personally know many talented people who have wasted their career, just because they got a job offer from the most reputed company Infosys.
I appreciate the fact that Infy gives jobs for many people. But I don't support their view that, they are looking out for one's learnability (learn anything) alone. What is the contribution of such a great company for Information Technology?
RE:Infosys Institute of IT
by shantanu on Jul 07, 2006 05:25 PM Permalink
You are right its very unfair....In fact the guy who manages the security or the cafeteria must also be given the chance to write software or manage large IT projects.
Just because he/she is not an engineer should be no reason that the person be denied the chance
Sir....life is always a little unfair. Better opportunities always go to better equipped people!!
Infosys hires all the year round..this is wht the new HR head is saying and thy need more engineering colleges but wht happens to the one tht are already present.In Infosys the engineers of top institues like IIT,BHU,REC etc are the ones who get the best of all wht abt the rest who cmes frm a small college frm a small city and thn after getting into the company relises tht he is just here to do other's work..wht does this means????does thy wnt to tel tht whtever u have studied is worthless and of no use
RE:infosys hires
by Vijay on Jul 08, 2006 10:55 AM Permalink
Hi,
I guess u misunderstood that this is a job portal of Infosys.There are lots of good sites for you to browse through jobs and lots of better companies whch have good work ethics,than Infosys.Try there.
Infosys may hire 25k people, but why does not anyone speak about how many quit or were fired? What is the attrition rate? If its something like 15%, and with Infosys's headcount of approx 52000, almost 8000 people actually quit. Imagine the overheads on that note. Of the 25k newly hired, a similar, if not more, attrition will prevail, in which case Inf will have to take the fact into consideration too. So why the exaggeration?
RE:But how many quit?
by manisha on Jul 08, 2006 11:23 AM Permalink
I think Infosys should think that of many of them are on bench. Why they ask to appear for Aptitude even having 8 or 9 years experience people. It means those who don't have aptitude are not able to work? Foolish fundas they use so i alwya hate their recrument process.
RE:But how many quit?
by John on Jul 10, 2006 05:20 PM Permalink
Kundan, Pls get your facts straight before you comment about others. Infact you should talk about your company only and not about other companies. You are just one year old guy in the company and you may not know everything. I have 15 years of work experience with TCS and WIPRO currently setting up my own company. I have left them to not that there were problems but for my own growth. They have excellent training facilities and decent work culture. Infact all the top 4-5 companies are almost similar with respect to training, types of people being hired etc. It is true that the quality of people coming into these companies is also coming down these days but that is the problem across IT industry. You cannot make loose comments without knowing the facts. Please talk for Infy only. Regards, John
RE:But how many quit?
by R.D. Nadig on Jul 10, 2006 02:55 PM Permalink
I agree completely with Mr. Rocky (07-07-06). You cannot carry on with deadweight employees whom cannot deliver or contribute to the company. Anyway quitting for better prospects and firing is part of any business. Infact a part of Infosys's turnover might have been dedicated to this account.
Infosys has brought business, prestige, self confidence, opportunity and future to Indian Software Industry as well to the younger generation. With 24 yeras of in depth experience in civil engineering some time even I feel that I should have switched to IT. It is just beaciuse likes of Infosys, Wipro and others. Hats off to them.
RE:But how many quit?
by B.S.Anil on Jul 07, 2006 04:42 PM Permalink
HI ,
The guys at Infosys seems to excel in planting highly exaggerated information about their company .It is obvious why they are doing it.It is the stock market which they want to impress .i sense lots of Enrons in our India inc .Lots and lots of Hype but all empty barrels .
RE:But how many quit?
by ms.candy on Jul 08, 2006 12:17 AM Permalink
i think whereever there are large number of recruitments in one go, the attrition rate is very high. must also be case with infosys. ofcourse the employees will be best people to answer that
RE:But how many quit?
by Kundan Bhaduri on Jul 09, 2006 01:51 PM Permalink
Hi folks, let me tell you something... It is true that infosys recruits at quite a ridiculous pace. I mean, 25000 people is too huge a number.
I have been with the organisation for a yr. now, and can tell that the quality of people slowly keeps detoriating by the day.... it is quite often possible that most of the people who join are incompetent, and even after extensive training (which i promise is the best corporate training any org. has, in the world), people aren't upto the expectation. but, at the same time don't forget the state of places like wipro and tcs, where the hired folks are way way below infosys standards... the training there is pathetic, the talent they hire is disastrous... and lastly they are severe underperformers.
so, bad as we may be.... but look at the market space - you will find a lot many more asses than us !
How many get opportunity ?
by Rocky on Jul 07, 2006 09:28 PM Permalink
It doesn't matter how many quit or what the attrition is ...infy is institution of class...the growth company is recording is self explainable. Because of it's hiring spree infy is extending employment not just to IITs,RECs but also to low rung-competitve candidates....otherwise i know there sufferngs they would be desperate for that initial break...jobs at MNC's like infy and other such compnaies having enhanced the purchasing power in middle class families, better living standards...and all that...firing happens only when someone does not perform...i'm an HR guy though i don't belong to infy...i c a great opportunity for those employable youths from low rung engg colleges who can start thinking big with this initial take off with infy...and i c this happening it doesn't matter if they are looking for a change later on !!! employment is what matters...to Indian economy.
