How much electricity will be generated and at what cost? What will be the total investment and what will be the output? Some stupids onthis board think that after the deal they are going to run their car and bikes on nuclear power. N-deal will not reduce the demand of petroleum in the country and nor the petrol will go cheaper.
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by AK on Jul 12, 2008 02:02 AM Permalink
There is shortage of electricity in India today even though India uses lot less power per capita than the developed nations. Once our lifestyle changes and even present materialistic boom reaches the masses then what will happen to our energy requirement.
During 1973 Oil embargo west had taken a step to go nuclear but that was stopped short by environmentalists except in France.
In India people do not plan for future, they only plan for tommorrow. This deal is for the future.
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by Cyber Guy on Jul 12, 2008 02:07 AM Permalink
well said AK.Many people in the forum dont have the sense to see the future benefits.They just seem to think about how are they going to be benefited immediately.In general we do not think about the future which is why we always lag behind superpowers like US,Japan,UK.
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by AK on Jul 12, 2008 02:15 AM Permalink
This is the reason west conquered India Even though India had everything they lacked planners.
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by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 02:05 AM Permalink
Hmm.. how much power it plans to generate in future and how will it meet the demands? And most importantly at what cost? Future is of bio-fuels and renewable energy sources this is where whole world is investing.
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by AK on Jul 12, 2008 02:14 AM Permalink
World has been talking about renewable enrgy sources for the last fifty years but to date no success. Water, Solar, Wind and now Bio-Fuels. Do we have ebough land to cultivate Bio-Fuels as well as food for the table. Niclear is here others may be there. Pick one today either as a source or as insurance policy. You decide.
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by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 02:17 AM Permalink
Biofuels and biodiesel sources can be grown in oceans also. For your kind information in last 30 yrs USA has not added a single megawatt electricity produced by Nuclear material. However it has doubled its bio-ethanol production in last 3-4 years. Just give a search on different renewable energy sources and the electricity being produced by them in all over the world and compare it to the nuclear energy and tell me the statistics.
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by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 02:31 AM Permalink
its not about land. Infact a single nuclear plant will utilize vast land plus a huge amount of land will be unusable if you dig deep their waste. So land is limiting factor in all the resources. But biofuels can be produced from biomass of Sea. Solar and wind energy dont need large establishment compare to nuclear reactors and nor they are rquired to worry about waste disposal.
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by AK on Jul 12, 2008 02:25 AM Permalink
US has lot of land that is not being used for cultivation and istead farmers are paid not to grow. That id not the case with India. India became a power only because it became self sufficient in food (whatever little) and did not need to import. USSR crumbled because of lack of food.
US did not increase its nuclear energy because of environmentalists, but it is restarting nuclear energy.
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by Cyber Guy on Jul 12, 2008 01:39 AM Permalink
hey hiral,get your facts rights before even saying others are fool...You think that Oil is used only to run cars and bikes in our country..That explains about you..Oil is used in 100's of different ways in our country which is obviously going to be very expensive in the coming years..so nothing wrong in signing this deal.
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by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 01:52 AM Permalink
I know where petroleum is used in our country and nuclear energy can not replace the petroleum anywhere except electricity production where its not being used much. So the stupids on this forum who are spreading that after N-deal the prices will go down because petrol will go cheaper or we wont need petrol is baseless. My facts are in place and sound. Check yours!!!
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by Cyber Guy on Jul 12, 2008 02:05 AM Permalink
You should understand that this Nuclear energy will be tapped and used for most of our electrical needs which is going to be vital.yes petrol will not be cheaper immediately,but definitely our dependance towards the arab nations will decrease which is good.
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by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 02:14 AM Permalink
For your kind information after billions of dollars of investment N-energy will not make up more than 10% of our electricity requirments.
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by west on Jul 12, 2008 01:32 AM Permalink
take a calculator and do the calculations yourself. it's not wise to listen to what experts say, after all
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by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 01:36 AM Permalink
I did and concluded that country is being cheated in the names of great benefits. But one thing is clear socalled supporters of deal dont know a single technical detail about deal which is very very beneficial for the country.
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by west on Jul 12, 2008 01:54 AM Permalink
hiral - well, if you do know all the technical details of the deal and conclude that the deal is detrimental to india, then what's the point in having discussion on this MB? shoot out a letter to MMS or join the BJP and go on to the streets. you will only find supporters of the deal on this MB.
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by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 02:02 AM Permalink
No infact there are lot who doesnt support the deal and most of the supporters are just supporting under the euphoria and not on the basis of facts. I thought you would point out the benefits and cost effectiveness of the deal in our favor.
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by west on Jul 12, 2008 02:55 AM Permalink
i underestimated your patriotism and intelligence. you are too smart. i don't have any other deal benefits to be listed for you, sorry.
Only today I came to know that MMS, Kakodkar and Kalam are not patriotic as you.
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by west on Jul 12, 2008 02:11 AM Permalink
as for the cost effectiveness you already did ur calculations and you even concluded too.
as for the benefits - there are numerous - the biggest benefit is India will be on Global stage to act. If that doesn't ring a bell or if you think what's the use to be on global stage - then i really can't explain each and every detail on this MB. Today, millions of people wait in qs around the world to just visit USA and this deal is going to make India get closer to USA. What this means is the people of India can look for a better and good future in the long term. in order for the benefits to truly take shape .. one need to wait for 50 years. these are not short term benefits which u will see in the next couple of years. that's why this deal is very important for both India, USA and for the rest of the world too. That's another reason why all G8 countries are supporting it.
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by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 02:35 AM Permalink
India doesnt need a deal to go on global stage. Its already there since 11th May 1998. To go closer to USA signing the deal should not be a condition. G8 countries are supporting it because they want access of IAEA in to Indian nuclear establishment. I got your point that you want India to play USA's fiddle for the sake of their support and protection but many self-esteemed and patriotic Indians dont like it that way. USA wants tobe frnd of India then it should be without any conditions or deals.
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by west on Jul 12, 2008 02:18 AM Permalink
imagine when your neighbors keep on bugging you for petty and small issues and making your life miserable and you even thinking of leaving and going some where else. Then one day you met a powerful political leader who goes to your neighbor and settles the problems. How much better your life will be now? you can concentrate more now on your work instead of wasting your energies on your irritant neighbor. Imagine this situation at a country level. i hope u got the point
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by west on Jul 12, 2008 05:36 AM Permalink
what kind of patriotism is it when some one knows there's an alternative and still compromises with a detrimental agreement? this is called patriotism in your vocabulary?
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by hiral joshi on Jul 12, 2008 03:06 AM Permalink
Putting MMS in the list of Kalamji and Kakodkar is their insult. And I dont want your certificate for my patriotism either. Kalam and Kakodkar are supporting the deal for two reasons one is to get uranium supply for our N-plants and another is strategic proximity to USA but solution for both can be worked out and none of them are in position to direct govt for the alternative-and therefore both had agreed for the deal in present scenario. However kalam had advocated even National river Grid too but that is conviniently scrapped by patriotic MMS.
