Does it mean that the Hyde Act says that you first get nukes of both sides under control, we can never fight a nuke war against one another, and that any wars will be conventional only. That means that a more economic sanctions can then be imposed on us and that US can then play a dual role - supplying arms to both Pakistan and India. China and Russia may supply arms to us or Pakistan and then we can have a grand 5-year or 10-year war in which we lose all of our big moeny to purchase of weapons and go into deeper and deeper debt - as it is we are apparently short of food - end result - India becomes the next Africa. So, the horrors of war now wiping out Africa and Iraq will shift to India and Pakistan and whatever extra mileage US gets out of this kind of situation, they can launch terrorists into Tibet and create problems from China thereby alienating us from China further - it's one grand dream of a decade-long aub-continental war between India, Pakistan and China. I might sound out of my mind, but that is exactly what has happened with the Middle East - Israel and Palestine, Kuwait, now Iraq - and exactly what is happening in Africa for decades. In all cases, it is some mineral at the root of the disaster. What mineral do we have which makes us prime candidates for such a policy? More so if they found out that our nuclear reserves are really good for us to develop. Finally, is it the Iran gas pipeline that is causing great American frustration?
RE:are we in deep trouble?
by viswanatha seshadri on Jun 22, 2008 01:23 AM Permalink
Whether we like it or not, the world is swayed by the three big-money forces, the secular corporate world spanning US, China, Japan, now also Russia, [many indians in it now], the islamic caliphate moneybag and the catholic christendom moneybag. US offers the nuclear deal to india only bec it has an interest in india's energy security bec many large corpos have shifted their crucial operations to india to take advantage of a young and intelligent workforce available at low costs, besides nuke-power expertise in our scientists. They also do not want india tied to islamic energy from iran, since they have no control oover iran, after the shaw was removed; saudis cooperate with the USA, since their monarchy itself reqs american protection. Catholics are fishing in the troubled waters, mainly for the conversional harvests to please the pope. Esssentially, the spirits of kubera [corpos], ravan [mosl] and kumbhkarn [church] are in fight, God just watching the fun. For Him, the hindu india is just karma-bhoomi, place where all sinful souls converge to work out their 'karma', to evolve into Godhead. Hence He allows sonia to work for the pope here, the commies for iran, god-minded manmohan only frustrated. Do not worry too much, God knows how to handle the demons and save His devotees for real unselfish all-welfare happiness, when their karma is worked out. The process is painful, no doubt. We can only try to do our best in the right direction and leave the results to God's will. That
RE:are we in deep trouble?
by Sameer on Jun 22, 2008 02:04 AM Permalink
I must admire you for understanding the subterranean currents and power behind the events. I have a couple of disagreements. Russia is still not accepted in the secular corporate world. Russia tried in 1990s but was spurned. In my view, that has been the biggest blunder by the secular corporate forces not realizing the importance of Russian power. I also believe that had Russia been taken on board, Iraq would have never become a problem. Second point is that one billion Hindus stil have no place to go. The secular corporations want them but are not ready to make a space for them. That is another important fault line which makes secular group weaker. For nearly forty years, Pakistan has been used to neutrlize India rather successfully but it has not helped the secular group but it has strengtheend the 2nd and the third groups. Secualr group has to realize that not all nationalists are bad. I don't see that changing soon. India will be at the recieving end.
Last, the secular group is losing money power rather dramatically. If the trend is not reversed soon, it would lose to other two. No money, no power, no game.
RE:are we in deep trouble?
by viswanatha seshadri on Jun 22, 2008 06:58 AM Permalink
Sameer: The points you have made are quite valid. I only said Russia is also entering the corpo-world. The unemployed and unemployables in india are a major problem, that could upset things seriously. Lot more has to happen before full fairplay with justice comes to the world's growth as a whole. At least, after 9/11, the secular corpos are firmly lined up against the islamists, Bush offers nuke-fuel-deal only to india, not pak! Bill Gates prefers productive hindus to disruptive moslems. Obama has both anjaneya and the cross on his chain! Catholics are confused whether to support corpos against moslems or moslems against hindus, Sonia has a problem, loses all votebanks. Church wonders whether Christ is with it! Good for humanity as a whole, if God lets kubera the first son of visravas, to triumph over both his younger brothers ravan and kumbhkarn. But then, the corporates should also leave 'sarpa-reeti' and go for 'sarva-reeti', operate as omni-benovolent aadi-sesha instead of all-devouring pythons. If both the jihadis and the conversionists both realize that Almighty is not with them, world can forget about Huttington, concentrate on using corporate effiency and productivity in all sectors including food production and distribution, in a peaceful world, diverting defence money towards defeating ignorance, poverty and economic disparities, going for a fully democratized UNO for the world. May God guide the world to wisdom!
RE:RE:are we in deep trouble?
by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 02:19 AM Permalink
I really dont know why you mess up so much ........you said they need intelligent peopla and low cost from India becoz of large corps present in India ............... what do you think they are giving us free of cost ...........offcourse we dont need .........I they are tensed about their corps onnly .........then why they are checking domeestic Nuclear stockpile ......... as we are paying for what they are giving........ go and read carefully Hyde Act text ........ You will realize what they want ...........good night meet you tomm'w ............never come up with such mixing of topic ...............Be clear and precise ........
RE:RE:RE:are we in deep trouble?
by viswanatha seshadri on Jun 22, 2008 07:26 AM Permalink
Hate: I do hate your name. An unfortunate feature of the american demo is that it allows lobbies to function, especially in Washington. Unlike in India, senators and congressmen in US cannot become 'ministers' in govt and make money for themselves, kids and grandkids. President and governors appoint job-savvy secretaries. But politicians get money from vested interests, both national and extra-national and try to put in legilation to tie up the president's decisions in favour of the lobbies financing them, if they can. Pak-lobby financed by saudis, is a very strong one. Most of the hyde act and 123 elements are pak-lobby creations to make things difficult for india to accept the deal. If bush had offered a similar deal to mush also, things would have been different. But pak record on prolif has been too bad. Well, all that india can do is to accept the deal and hope the lobbies are not able damage the proceedings later on. Once most senators see the corporate advantages in the deal also, the corporate lobbies will silence them, hopefully. Anyway, if the deal becomes painful, india can always opt out, as a sovereign state, go for self efforts after that. BARC boys are quite competant in that also.
RE:are we in deep trouble?
by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 01:06 AM Permalink
Its simple they dont want any Nuclear Power ............ as Russia can give them Gr8 competition ............If India and Iran also get nuke power and become together it will be tough for them to survive ..........thats y they force every body to sign NPT In 1990-2001 Russia gave the proposal of Nuclear Disarmament ...........at that time US strongly denied it ......... its hsow that they want every body under them ........whether it in way of Iraq or In way of India-US Nuclear deal
RE:are we in deep trouble?
by viswanatha seshadri on Jun 22, 2008 01:32 AM Permalink
NPT prohibits only nuclear arms development, not nuclear power development in trans-national transparency.
RE:are we in deep trouble?
by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 02:11 AM Permalink
I was talking of arms only ..............its by mistake i forget to write ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, dont be too silly looking to be foolish
Provisions of Hyde Act etc are only advisory to US president, who may or may not implement, as a diretly elected executive, not elected by the congress or senate. A friendly US pres will not harass India. If situation demands, india can always exercise sovereignty, abrogate the deal, if defence demands become critical, rather unlikely in the globalizing world..
RE:Hyde Act, etc are advises to President of US,
by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 12:39 AM Permalink
an act or law for achivement of International treaty which involve IAEA is just a suggestion ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, joking or serious
It doesn't matter if India has good relations with US or not. But even though China is our neighbour, China has never been India's friend right through history. Even Russia whom the commies have so much faith did not support India during the 1962 war.
Instead of being at the mercy of the mad marxists, india can simply sign the non-proliferation treaty and eliminate the ban on import of nuclear plant materials. We have, anyway, already declared we will not first-use nuclear arms on others ourselves. China, Israel, EU countries or US or Russia etc are unlikely to use their arms on others, will also prevent pak, NK, iran from doing so. We refused to sign NPT only bec it was selectively imposed. In current context, the selectivity is only imaginary.
In fact, india can consult the new civilian govt in pak, india and pak can together sign the NPT. Both can benefit and develop offshore nuclear plants. Iran will also do that then, Bush would have no reason to attack iran, then.
India can utilize the nuclear science-force at his disposal and quickly develop nuclear power stations, becoming independant of polluting oil-gas-coal power and energy, like France. The special deal promoted by US will become unnecessary. Countries like Japan and Australia will become more friendly to us.
RE:Simply sign the non-proliferation treaty!
by M on Jun 22, 2008 12:13 AM Permalink
if only even a single person in the left parties was half as smart as you, we would already have been building nuclear power plants. i mean what else can we expect from someone like mayawati. she may not even be able to define nuclear power, let alone be supportive of the deal. i say go ahead manmohan singh, sign the deal, and you have at least my vote in the re-elections.
RE:Simply sign the non-proliferation treaty!
by Sameer on Jun 22, 2008 12:42 AM Permalink
Why not China/US and others also give up their nukes. They are not usable anyway.
RE:Simply sign the non-proliferation treaty!
by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 12:56 AM Permalink
well Viswanathha ,,,,,,,,,,,, You can trust Pakistan, China etc ,,,,,,,,,,,,But cant trust our people .......... Sgining NPT now will solve the tension between China or Pakistan ............... China is also Included in Nuclear super power ............they have many missile and weapon which can reach kanyakumari easily .......... If they decalre war against US at that time wee will test Bomb or Missile ............. Typical Nehru's dangerous Mentality .......... Hindi-Chini Bhai bhai .................then in forthcoming war we will lose lan up to MP ............ We should learn from mistake ......... its not to repeat ......... I hope minister like you never come to power
India needs gobar gas plants on a war footing. This is environmental friendly & cheap. Infact there is no problem of waste disposal. And with our rising population, gobar won't be scarce anytime like coal, uranium, etc. There is no need of even giving compensation for the displaced people like in hydro projects. So I request all to donate gobar to the government so that they can build gobar gas plants in every village, town & city. Long Live India.
Communists want India to be like China, where people do not have any freedom of speech. Those who dare to speak against the state are massacred (remember Tianenmen square or Tibetan monks in Lhasa). In 1962 war against China it was not the Russians or any communist countries who came to India's help, but the US. Only when US interfered, China retreated back. There was no word of criticism from Indian commies for the Chinese. In fact they were all along supporting the Chinese.
RE:What the communists want????
by ashish on Jun 21, 2008 11:52 PM Permalink
all the commies must be stripped naked and beaten to pulp in the middle of the street !!
RE:What the communists want????
by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 12:10 AM Permalink
Mistake in your statement .............. Nehru called US For support ...ask them to attack Them ......... and this news when chinese heard ....they dont want any reltionship between US and India ......... thats y they unilateraly declared cease fire ............If you US were with us ....why they supported Pakistan in 1971 ................... Please dont mis interpret the fact by confusing writing
RE:What the communists want????
by Cool Guy on Jun 22, 2008 12:16 AM Permalink
Get your facts right you dumbo. Our so called half communist PM Jawaharlal Nehru who goofed everything up by showing continued support to USSR even after knowing that they did not support India in 1962. It was mistake from our side. So you cannot blame the US. If we had kicked out USSR from our friends list, India would have been far ahead today.
RE:What the communists want????
by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 12:29 AM Permalink
I think you need to get the fact cleared go to wikipedia .............. I think you are dumb person with blind ness also cant read on what I am arguing and what u r arguing .............literaly non sense
Govt should go ahead with nuclear deal and call an election. Left partis would thrive till there is poverty, ineffecient public sector fed on tax payers money and a foreign policy where there is no co operation with advance world!
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Cool Guy on Jun 21, 2008 11:48 PM Permalink
Well said. The public sector companies are white elephants who gobble up all public money.
(b) With Respect to South Asia- The following shall be the policies of the United States with respect to South Asia: (1) Achieve a moratorium on the production of fissile material for nuclear explosive purposes by India, Pakistan, and the People's Republic of China at the earliest possible date. (2) Achieve, at the earliest possible date, the conclusion and implementation of a treaty banning the production of fissile material for nuclear weapons to which both the United States and India become parties. (3) Secure India's-- (A) full participation in the Proliferation Security Initiative; (B) formal commitment to the Statement of Interdiction Principles; (C) public announcement of its decision to conform its export control laws, regulations, and policies with the Australia Group and with the Guidelines, Procedures, Criteria, and Control Lists of the Wassennaar Arrangement; (D) demonstration of satisfactory progress toward implementing the decision described in subparagraph (C); and (E) ratification of or accession to the Convention on Supplementary Compensation for Nuclear Damage, done at Vienna on September 12, 1997. (4) Secure India's full and active participation in United States efforts to dissuade, isolate, and, if necessary, sanction and contain Iran for its efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction, including a nuclear weapons capability (including the capability to enrich or process nuclear mat
RE:one more part of Hyde act with which we cannot agree
by Dharmendra Kumar on Jun 21, 2008 11:49 PM Permalink
who told u these nonsense things. ru part of US policy makers or agent of some secrete agency. what is the resource of ur knowledge?pple like A P J kalam,all nuclear scientists,india's best frnd russia...every one saying that deal is good for india. definetly US has own benefits by this deal.but it is more beneficial for india then US.
RE:RE:one more part of Hyde act with which we cannot agree
by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 12:00 AM Permalink
Dharmendra This mean if some inflencial person say some thing and you blindly agree on this ........................Ihave shown you the text then also ..................If you cannot trust these .........go and google Hyde ACT 2007 you will definitely get these statement..........Thn come to me I am here upto 1.30
RE:one more part of Hyde act with which we cannot agree
by Sameer on Jun 21, 2008 11:59 PM Permalink
Kalam's statement in favor of nuclear energy based on thorium technology has bene distorted to make it look like he supports this nuclear deal. Sorry pal. you are wrong. And who cares if Russians support the deal or not.
RE:RE:one more part of Hyde act with which we cannot agree
by Hate Who divides on Jun 22, 2008 12:05 AM Permalink
Well sameer I m going to write the statemnt .....But you already replied ........ These non sense can believe those things without statistic they never think why UPA govt has not come with Proof and come clear with deal to public ..............as they are suffering Load Shedding they think nuclear deal will be only solution and go blinbdly with the deal
RE:one more part of Hyde act with which we cannot agree
by Hate Who divides on Jun 21, 2008 11:57 PM Permalink
Brother have Hyde Act .................PDF
RE:one more part of Hyde act with which we cannot agree
by Hate Who divides on Jun 21, 2008 11:28 PM Permalink
As we cannot prevent Iran from getting Nuke BOmb .......as we are going to deal Gas Pipe line with them ................. This show how they want to isolate India frm other country and they are Using India to target Iran
RE:one more part of Hyde act with which we cannot agree
by subhendu mal on Jun 22, 2008 05:22 PM Permalink
if usa is using india for iran (in your words and you are distorting facts)then so waht, it is acceptable . who wants the mad iran should get n-bomb, one more country near to us, we already have two mad country near to us, paks and china and their natural spys are in india moving freely giving all information to china. why these communists are frequently visit chian for what purpose becasue they have no other place to go, communist world is shrinking , time is not far that cuba, north korea and china will collapse, then where our communist will go , may be they will suicide or killed like romanian president or afganistan president.
RE:Nuclear pwoer plant expanditure numbers are in
by Dinesh on Jun 21, 2008 11:25 PM Permalink
You just figured out something that all of India's scientific community did not. They were only talking of safeguarding Indias defence interest.
RE:RE:Nuclear pwoer plant expanditure numbers are in
by Sameer on Jun 21, 2008 11:39 PM Permalink
That is the irony here. India's defence needs are just a cover for a very bad deal. I am all for close ties with USA to solve many problems in the neighbourhood but US wants nuclear deal ( cap India's nuclear independence)
How about putting an end to private sector in this country. The consumer can go to the dogs.
Down with religion, oops only the Hindu religion btw we still need the Muslim votes.
US is an example of how the rich screws the poor of the world. Lets be like China where the State oppresses, persecutes its citizens and bullies its neighbours.
Why dont the Left come out in open with their agenda for this country
RE:What is Lefts agenda?
by Annu Malik on Jun 21, 2008 11:09 PM Permalink
keep licking white asses you slave of the century. your white master will not protect you from power cuts, China will.
RE:What is Lefts agenda?
by Cool Guy on Jun 21, 2008 11:50 PM Permalink
China has never helped India you idiotic buffoon. It is always US which has come to India's rescue.
RE:What is Lefts agenda?
by Infidel Blogger on Jun 21, 2008 11:28 PM Permalink
Zionist money spinners aka Israel are in full control of US economy: you name it from Wall St. to major media properties. However i support them, they are the only one who have balls to fight a cancer called Islamic extremism.
