There is alway's such type of situation arrives when a community from backword class demands for some right's. First The gove not only refuses such Right's to give but also show's no interest in talk. But when a community from Upper level raises any issue govt. alway's takes it seriously, so in such cases there is no need of agitation, firing and other things.And the upper class alway's get the things without any agitation. . Such condition should be alway's observed.
RE:Police firing is wrong
by Final Arbiter on Jun 18, 2008 08:39 AM Permalink
Rocky ... if these very people were unleashed on your home and you are there with your family inside ... and the crowds are not getting managed by other means .. you will be the first person to request police to fire on the crowds ... do not try to become an arm chair communist
RE:Police firing is wrong
by rocky wankhede on Jun 18, 2008 08:53 AM Permalink
Gujjar agitation was a great revolution. When they set their mind for such a great revolution I dont think they directly go for the destruction of public property. . I think govt leave them to crate such a situation.
RE:Police firing is wrong
by Dr Priyanka on Jun 18, 2008 09:35 AM Permalink
plz check your facts they never consider themselves as back ward few decades back they claim thgemselves as uppercast now greed have drawn them to make themselves as ST what a pity
RE:Police firing is wrong
by rocky wankhede on Jun 18, 2008 10:48 AM Permalink
Dr.priyanka. Consideration is differet and reality is differnt. I have too many friends from OBC category who never consider themselves as low cast people. They always consider themselves as like brahmins as hindu religion satisfying them by having more lower cast than their.
RE:Police firing is wrong
by Arvind Kumar Singh on Jun 18, 2008 08:17 AM Permalink
I agree to you. Police firing was wrong but destruction of public property was correct.
Isn't it strange that an OBC caste would come to ST status after 60 yrs of independance. Gr8 improvemnt :)
Congratulations Gujjars Its the brith right of every caste to get the status of ST becoz all the castes evolved from some tribes so doing this gujjars got what they have to get.
Honorable Minister of state for Defence sri Ppallam Raju,
Have you seen.With so much of violance and 43 people dieing,finally gujjers got what they want.Under these circumstances,the govt. is proving that inorder to get some thing people have to die,they should destroy crores of property,cause in convinience to common man,then only govt will do some thing.So sir what do you suggest in order to get What serving and retired army people are asking
it seems anyone who can pull out crowd and do agitations gets an ST status. I think this is a very bad example set by central gov and raj stat gov, bloody vote bank politics.
RE:gujjars reach accord
by Loan Shark on Jun 18, 2008 06:37 AM Permalink
abbe tere paas kyaa resource naheen hai jo reservation mangta hai? mehnat naheen kurr sakta ... phokat mein sarkari naukree chahiye tujhe.
RE:gujjars reach accord
by Govind Srivastava on Jun 18, 2008 06:22 AM Permalink
How right you are. But small fry leaders who mushroom for short terms i.e. Raju, Sri Prakash Jaiswal, have no clue of anything but shoot their mouth without and put foot,ankle knee all togather in their mouth. No point wasting your time on such nincompoops.
1. It was started by CONGRESS right from the begining. Other parties are following the trend. 2. It was kind of OK to give chance to certain class (however I dont agree completely), for 50 years. 3. If they failed to come along with main stream then it is failure of them GOVT who never mentioned that they should try hard, rather provided with more and more quota. If any source make me sure everyday I will be given fresh cash I will never work hard. Promise. 4. Now it is not too late to rectify the mistake, GOVT can not stop quota in one day, we all agree. NO party can do this. But we can slowly work on this. Make a deal. you guys work harder and produce less children. And we are slowly reducing quota in few years (may be 10 or 20) HOW YOU ALL SAY ?
RE:few imp points regarding reservation
by Loan Shark on Jun 18, 2008 06:39 AM Permalink
when congress started reservation, it was for the right reason - to bring the backward classes forward. The reservation politics was started by VP Singh in 1990 who saw a vote gathering opportunity in reservation while his supporter BJP watched in silence.
Don't blame Nehrus and Patels and Ambedkars for the ills of reservation that we see today.
RE:few imp points regarding reservation
by india on Jun 18, 2008 06:42 AM Permalink
thanks for the important info, i wanted some more intelligent insight here, i guess u r one of the backward thinkers.i gotta go. bye.
RE:few imp points regarding reservation
by Loan Shark on Jun 18, 2008 06:47 AM Permalink
abbe backward toh tu hai jo leadership ko blame karta hai apne misfortunes ke liye!
The purpose of reservation is to uplift the downtrodden castes. Even after 56 years being a OBC community gujjars have not improved means it is failure of the philosophy of reservation.It is strange that people want to go to lower strata of reservation.Thid can happen only in india. MERA BHARATH MAHAAN
RE:ST STATUS TO GUJJARS
by Loan Shark on Jun 18, 2008 05:00 AM Permalink
bhaiya khaali India mein naheen .... yeh sirf BJP ruled state mein hee ho sakta hai ... we all know very well that BJP gives in to the demands of the hijackers .... this time the hijackers were Gujjars
RE:ST STATUS TO GUJJARS
by Anand on Jun 18, 2008 05:07 AM Permalink
What about reservation to Muslims in Andhra and to Christians in Tamil nadu? Recently Gowdas and Lingayats in Karnataka fought and got bacward caste status? There is no difference among political when it comes to caste reservations.
RE:ST STATUS TO GUJJARS
by Loan Shark on Jun 18, 2008 05:28 AM Permalink
bhaiya/bihari, BJP doesn't have what it takes to stand up to these agitations .... BJP was the only hope against reservation, but looks like they surrendered too easily ... as they did when the IA plane was hijacked.
Your grievance seems to be against reservations... not BJP.... so please refrain from making sweeping statements such as "yeh to sirf BJP ruled states mein hi ho sakta hai.." etc..
Remember Shri Bheemrao Ambedkar was a Congressman (though not from Indira Congress, but still a close resemblance)... so your allegations that BJP is the root cause is a jump to conculsion that's longer than Bob Beaman's...
RE:ST STATUS TO GUJJARS
by nagesh singh on Jun 18, 2008 05:11 AM Permalink
Nehru gang(commie/congis) started the fire in nation and now they blame others for all their sins right from communal partition /kashmir problem/Nehruvian economic blunders/ and bolstering you maulanas to spit jehadi venom under suedo names like yours.
RE:ST STATUS TO GUJJARS
by Loan Shark on Jun 18, 2008 05:24 AM Permalink
ha ha ... typical BJP bhaiyaa attitude of blaming Nehru for every present day problem.
Don't blame Nehru ... I bet Nehruji did not bring reservation for votes ... he did it for the right reason ... to uplift the backward classes.
Since VP Singh's Mandal implementation political parties are using reservation as a vote gathering tool. No one raised a hell about reservation until 1964 when Nehru died.
RE:RE:ST STATUS TO GUJJARS
by Mahavir on Jun 18, 2008 07:03 AM Permalink
Loan Shark, Cangress-Arjunsingh not to blamed for reservations. Ha Ha.... Typical Cangress/sickular attitude.
RE:ST STATUS TO GUJJARS
by Loan Shark on Jun 18, 2008 07:08 AM Permalink
ha ha ha ... blame congress for all your misfortunes in life ... typical low-life RSS attitude you have
Mahatama ko maarna aasan thaa, terrorists ko maarkur dikhaao toh jaane!
RE:ST STATUS TO GUJJARS
by sandip mishra on Jun 18, 2008 05:18 AM Permalink
I believe on the first 5 Yr plan the reservation for teh Backward castes were implemented with a clear statement that after 5 Yrs this will be reviewed and if possible will be revoked. But in India everybody wants not to work hard. The quota keep on growing.The general people except Brahmins and Kstriyas and few other sects were renamed as OBCs.Still they are not happy they wanted ST status... People dream of growing bigger and stronger but in India it's not to be. I am hoping the day will come when the so called higher castes will be declared as some reserve category... And still the people complain why the so called higher caste people does not like the self called lower caste people...
RE:what is the meaning of this ....
by sanjeev on Jun 18, 2008 04:52 AM Permalink
Enjoy the SC ST OBC status...
It's like a getting bonus promotion or a hike because that person down graded himself.
So now, socio-economic conditions doesn't matter, what matters is who is your father... make sure he belongs to either SC, ST or OBC to get benefit in the future.
RE:what is the meaning of this ....
by Loan Shark on Jun 18, 2008 05:02 AM Permalink
aisan lagta hai kee tujhe bhee ek Gujjar baap kee talaash hai ... LOL
RE:what is the meaning of this ....
by Loan Shark on Jun 18, 2008 04:58 AM Permalink
Gujjars will get a better (or lower) status than they had before ... kinda like saying that Gujjars are more backward now than they were before .... isn't it something to be excited about ? well, atleast the gujjars are .... LOL
Anyone who is responsible for dividing this country in the name of caste etc is Nehru, his henchmen and his legacy. Time to execute Arjun Singh in public outside Parliament which will serve as a detterent to other corrupt politicians.
RE:Execute Arjun Singh
by Sheetal Kaur on Jun 18, 2008 04:45 AM Permalink
Okey agreed Nehru divided the country in the name caste. That is 44 years on since then why hasn't all this caste system division abolished. Not only Nehru but all the subsequent leaders and their parties who followed Nehru are just as guilty to let this carry on as was Nehru. So why blame just one leader.
RE:Execute Arjun Singh
by nagesh singh on Jun 18, 2008 05:19 AM Permalink
Nehru's crimes have paved the way for divisive politics .Due to its cunning game of religion/caste based blackmailing all other roads have been closed by commie/congis.When world over religion/caste is loosing sheen being medieval barbaric era relics ,In India dogs have relied since day one since partition on this.
RE:Execute Arjun Singh
by Loan Shark on Jun 18, 2008 04:54 AM Permalink
Now eeven BJP is guilty of playing the caste politics ... can't just blame Nehru, Arjun Singh and VP Singh anymore.
RE:Execute Arjun Singh
by Infidel Blogger on Jun 18, 2008 05:07 AM Permalink
Why does BJP yields to ransoms so easily you name it.. from hijackings to public agitations ? Time for an army coup of the parliament or better outsource our security and political machinery to Israel.
RE:Execute Arjun Singh
by All Right on Jun 18, 2008 12:16 PM Permalink
OK... . . I'm sure this is a brand new Congress idea to bolster some more swiss accounts
Reservation should also be given in sports such as cricket, football etc. Only 32% of the players should be from general category.Mr.Arjun singh look at this side.
RE:Reservation in Sports
by Loan Shark on Jun 18, 2008 04:55 AM Permalink
vasundhara raje will make sure that there are gujjars in India's cricket team ... LOL
