USA has been telling again and again that Hyde act applies to our agreement. But UPA govt of Sonia, MMS, Pranab Mukherjee had been telling various lies including the lie that Hyde act does not apply to our agreement.
It is a govt of liers and cheaters. Now another big lier, cheater and Anil Ambani's agent SP, is also part of the govt. Govt is giving EPF money to Anil's company for gambling of hard earned money of employees.
UPA did all this drama for the deal to divert peoples' attention from real problems like galloping inflation, farmers' suicide etc. Earlier PC used to b nervous on Fridays, when inflation was 8%. Now he, Sonia & MMS r not worried even though it is 12%. I hope what Sushma Swaraj suggested, that UPA may b behind the bombings for diverting peoples' attention, is wrong.
RE:US can terminate N-deal if India conducts tests: Nicholas Burns
by arp on Jul 31, 2008 12:15 PM Permalink
please vote for NDA in 2009 election to delete HYDEACT from the nuke deal 123.
RE:RE:US can terminate N-deal if India conducts tests: Nicholas Burns
by Girish Rao on Jul 31, 2008 12:19 PM Permalink
NDA will make statements like USA placed bombs in Ahmedabad and Bangalore to deflect attention away from Hyde Act lol, that is the level of brains in BJP.
At last it came from a person who knows about the deal.In this forum there were comments like Prakash Karat is ignorant about talking since he didn't even know about shit! All the media hype about the deal was on payment basis for misleading general public. Left were consistent on their stand from the begining itself.
RE:Where is our US paid PATRIOTS ?
by achayan g on Jul 31, 2008 12:17 PM Permalink
It is naive to think that fuel supply would continue to be guarenteed in the event of India going for another test. Whether India should go for another test is a seperate matter al together. And if India decides to test another, it will have to be prepared for 'sanctions'.
If we have the right leaders at the top, then the decision to 'test' will take into account the consequences. May have to guarentee that India has enough stock and technology even if the deal is to be called off.
RE:Where is our US paid PATRIOTS ?
by hokuram on Jul 31, 2008 12:27 PM Permalink
u hv to return any stock pile got from USA! Once you are dependent on such supply, can u take the risk of shuuting down power supply to cities and industries?
RE:Where is our US paid PATRIOTS ?
by Gopal on Aug 01, 2008 04:18 AM Permalink
The LEFT, all along had a soft pedaling even though they had prepared a 202 page booklet, well-researched on this deal.:) The issue become serious when MMS kicked them on the back and asked them to go if they want. INGRATITUDE!!
WE do not have to think of nuclear test. It is secondary. What is important is the FREEDOM to test. Whether to test or not is the second issue.
The govt is going to have 20000 MW of nuclear power by 2020. Our infrastructure can not take up such large input in such a short period. By all probability prefabricated plants will be provided. Once the project is awarded on BOT basis, government can just look on when the junks (NUCLEAR WASTE) are installed in Indian soil. Or our bureaucrats-politicians combine of the time will allow that on condition of 'share'. The looser is the dear nation. The project cost will be very high and it will enhance the 'unit price' of energy. Complete cost control will be by the company. Read the Reporter's page in this forum to know the problems connected with the nuclear projects. Huge investments, radiation hazards, accident prone, decommissioning cost etc. Who cares? Let the CPM and BJP come out with their opinion on these matters. Let them not talk politics any more on the N-deal. The deal is about to operationalize!!
Guys ebfore you bad mouth the PM. Burns statement has to be read along with the Safeguards agreement. 1. The N Deal is to ensure fuel supplies and the safeguards agreement mandates that civilian and defence nuclear facilities be separated such that Nuclear from US, France etc is not used for warheads. 2. It is stupid to expect US ro FRance to give Nuclear fuel for building warheads. 3.It is acknowledged by both BJP and Congress that India does not need any more tests to build warheads. 4. Finally the PM has clearly said he would explore domestic legislation to neutrlaise the Hyde Act. Remember our friendly neighbourhood country is begging for a similar deal. Cheers
RE:N Deal
by RAVEENDRAN on Jul 31, 2008 12:14 PM Permalink
US has nothing to do with indian domestic legislation. Dont say foolishness to justify MMS&Co.
RE:N Deal
by swedeshi on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM Permalink
please go throuh the statements made by your glorified PM before June and statements and video clippings broadcasted in television channels including CIA sponsored CNN-IBN. Till june they have been telling that Hyde act is not applicable for India and India is bound only by 123 agreement and that Hyde Act is a domestic one etc. When Condolisa Rice told that Hyde act would be applicable to India our External Affairs minister came against it. Only during the parliament debate the government came out with the proposal of enacting a domestic law to counter Hyde act. Dear friend please don't try check the sense of people.
RE:N Deal
by Gopal on Aug 01, 2008 04:35 AM Permalink
There is nothing much to cheer for Indians. Stop talking about Hyde act, 123 agreement etc. The N-deal is about to operationalize.
The LEFT, all along had a soft pedaling even though they had prepared a 202 page booklet, well-researched on this deal.:) The issue become serious when MMS kicked them on the back and asked them to go if they want. INGRATITUDE!! BJP is for strategic relationship with US. What for? To fight with neighbours? Let them read political science. We can not sleep well by fighting with neighbors. Adopt the Nehruvian method. Negotiate and settle the issues. In legal terms any law passed can not be implemented from a previous date, especially for international agreements. Passing a law to counter Hyde act is meaningless. US is not a country ruled by stupids!! Read the declaration of the black day between B and M. Read my previous post also.
RE:Nuke Deal
by Girish Rao on Jul 31, 2008 12:17 PM Permalink
we will worry about conducting nuclear tests if Pakistan conducts. If Pakistan conducts a nuclear test Israel will bomb all its reactors to dust, so do not worry. And China will not conduct any nuclear test since is part of NPT and has all the required data for computer simulation.
RE:Nuke Deal
by Ram Sharma on Jul 31, 2008 12:31 PM Permalink
R u so close to the Israel govt, that u know what they will do in case Pakistan conducts nuclear test? Since u seem to b an insider, pl let us know, earlier also Pakistan did so, then why Israel did not do so.
RE:Nuke Deal
by Secular on Jul 31, 2008 01:57 PM Permalink
MMS loves the US and Bush. He does not recognise Bush is also going to deep well. Bush is thinking where to go. Bush definitely will fetch MMS with his sinking boat. Indian people see today Congress nakedness, thieves....
Congress goes with Bush and terrorism. Secularism and Democracy are the best ways to beat terrorism. Congress compromises with these things. Bush is the notorious criminal and he creates world terrorism.
RE:US Dadagiri
by varghese on Jul 31, 2008 12:14 PM Permalink
rightly said..but India and America are natural allies..as both are secular and democratic..just India singning this deal the oil prices began falling...so its good for us..
RE:US Dadagiri
by Ram Sharma on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM Permalink
USA does not bother about democracies in developing countries. It had all along been supporting Pakistan against us. It developed friendly reation with communist China about 30 yrs ago, through Ping Pong diplomacy of Henry Kissinger.
If it suits USA, it will through democratically elected govt and support a puppet dictator. There r many examples of this in history.
MMS and Sonia Gandhi have sucessfully sold our country to the Americans down the drain. We will have more revelations than the Bible soon from the Americans .Just wait and watch
RE:Country sold down the drain
by varghese on Jul 31, 2008 12:15 PM Permalink
if we do not sign this deal..in another 2/3 years India will stop being an Nuclear power state..all our so called Nukes will begin to die...i guess u guys know something called half life period of radioactive elements..as it is 70% of Indian nuke plants are shut down due to lack of fuel...guys get some air..chill..speak what is right..not what foolishness u know..get back to school ..jerks...stop having false national pride..we cannot run this nation of GOBAR GAS...
RE:RE:Country sold down the drain
by Umesh Sharma on Jul 31, 2008 12:42 PM Permalink
for at least gobar gas one doesnot hv to go out to yr uncle sam verghese, u r the only learned person on this board, as far as voicing yr opinion is concerned u hv all the right but refrain fm calling names to others, coz when all start on u, u will leave the board permanently. for arguments sake u say the nuke deal is good despite the strings attached, well the govt shud hv said so, let the people decide wether it is good for us or no. what a majority of people hv read on this forum by experts is that nuke energy is not going to take care of our energy rqmnts for a long period , for e.g it takes care of only 5% till 2030. also pls note looking at the investment the rate per unit is going to be muderous after all states charging more duties etc, and not to forget the waiver/ free schemes which are floated now n then by the politicians. compared to that wind /solar/ gobar gas are one to be concentrated on. at least they take care of majority of househols power if not industrial. that is what a lot of our friends want to express, n here u r branding every one as jerks.
RE:Country sold down the drain
by Gopal on Aug 01, 2008 04:47 AM Permalink
Hi Mr.Varghese You have the right to post mails here. I presume you are not staying in India. Do not know whether you are in US. I presume you are a TECH. Means you can understand what people write here. Please once again the posts of 'Righter' in the rediff blog. Do not use arrogant words to impress your arguments. I wish you would come back later after reading Reporter's pages. Let us have lively discussion.
the opposition to the deal by BJP and others was precisely on this. Now that the cat is out of the bag the PM and his coterie should explain to the nation why they lied to us and why we should still go ahead with this agreement.
RE:opposition was right?
by Ram Sharma on Jul 31, 2008 12:19 PM Permalink
Don't talk nonsense. Do u mean to say BJP supported the govt on this deal? BJP had been telling that they want this deal with some amendments.
RE:opposition was right?
by varghese on Jul 31, 2008 12:17 PM Permalink
BJP is atmost an communal party same like all Muslim parties in india..atmost they can organise and communal flare up and build on the roads and public places temples and road blocks..burn national property and beat up or kill Christians..thats it..infact when 5 yrs in power these scums never gave the Hindus their Ram temple..but gave more sops to the Muslims..at the cost of Christians..
RE:RE:opposition was right?
by Ram Sharma on Jul 31, 2008 12:22 PM Permalink
All parties in India r communal, though only BJP is dubbed so by the 'secular' inteligentia and English media. BJP, Shiv Sena speak for Hindus; Akali for Sikhs, almost all other parties follow the policy of appeasing communal Muslims.
RE:opposition was right?
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM Permalink
- There is nothing new in this article.
Everybody knew USA would cancel any Nuclear deal if India does further test.
There would be sanctions with or without 123 agreement.
- It's to be seen if India is willing to do another test or not. Vajpayee told the whole world that India would not do further tests.
Still, the right to test lies with India.
If we are willing to go survive the sanction, then nobody can stop us from going for further test.
[ The fact is even if we go for test and there are sanctions, the world would come around after few years to do business with us, because we are destined to grow economically.
If USA can do business with communist china, USA can do business with economic powerhouse democratic India.]
This is known to the Indian Govt. as well as the opposition.
But Advani needs something to oppose, else he would be irrelevant.
Mr.Nicholas Burns was overjoyed at Mr. Manmohan Singh winning the trust vote.But was it a trust vote or a mistrust vote? As and when if the parliamentary committee finds that money power played the lead role in making "Singh is King" can in those changed circumstances the Nuclear deal become null and void? What do experts opine?
RE:Trust/Mistrust Vote
by Ram Sharma on Jul 31, 2008 12:24 PM Permalink
Parliamentary party headed by a Congressman will support Ahmad Patel, secretary of Sonia. It will also support SP, new friends of Sonia.
