RE:Boycott
by Haris Jan on Jul 26, 2008 06:41 AM Permalink
Man... such an irresponsible message posted..... Just because Osama-bin-Laden happens to be a muslim does not mean you dont watch sharukh khan movie, you don't watch irfan pathan bowl, u don't use Azim Premji's Wipro's software, You don't pride A.P.J Abdul Kalaam's invention, You don't like A.R. Rehman's Music. That doesnt solve anything
RE:Boycott
by Vinu Bhardwaj on Jul 26, 2008 06:18 AM Permalink
I agree. I do not hear any appeals or condemnation by prominent Muslim stars or any other famous Indian Muslim asking Muslims to stop targeting innocent civilians
when created: A place where Muslims of India can live a life of dignity (yes, a nice joke). But Pakistanis openly discriminate against Indian Muslims. They will not agree even a single refugee Muslim from India.
During partition, Hindus were killed and driven out of Pakistan but Gandhi fasted to let Muslims stay in India. And now we pay the price with our lives.
RE:Gandhi made a blunder
by Haris Jan on Jul 26, 2008 06:11 AM Permalink
Dude don't even talk of partition.... Two hungry politician (Jinha and Nehru) wanting power... thats what partition was... (ofcourse with the help of some British fuel to the fire)
RE:Gandhi made a blunder
by R Prasad on Jul 26, 2008 03:26 PM Permalink
You are wrong Haris Jan. This is always said about partition abt a power struggle between Jinnah and Nehru. It is not so. Jinnah was realistic when he said hindus and muslims are differnt in thought, in culture, inliving, in food and everything else. He wanted a place for muslims (and they were sizable) where they could develop according to their vision. He was realistic and he got Pakistan. The heroes of our freedom struggle were fools living ina fools paradise and all the seditious shit called "Ahimsa" of the gandhian variety propagated by Gandhi. Now in India are we able to live according to our vision and culture? Tell me? This is the effect of secularism. And all these problems we are facing today is because of the muslims boss. Pre-Islamic India never had so much of violence and uncertainity. It is all because of Islam. I hope you don't follow in the footsteps of our so called heroes of freedom struggle. The muslim leagues said Pakistan zindabad, Hindustan murdabad. The first is a reality. The second is slowly becoming reality too. Wake up man!!!
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Vinu Bhardwaj on Jul 26, 2008 05:38 AM Permalink
but they can support their team (Pakis) as long as they don't blow us up
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by nagen samal on Jul 26, 2008 06:39 AM Permalink
Rehan, Do you believe US, pls answer why US is so agressive to add India into list and cong is so aggressive to sign, They will simply send India into 70s to 90s where congress rule and do the curroption. Only thing will happen that US will give a lot money to cong politician. and RJD is also following cong for that . I think you know the status of these politician...
I believe otherthan neuclear there are other sources like solar and wind power...Singapore, germany kind of nature friendly countries are heading for these powers..why we n US can not go for this...n y bush is interested to go into indian nuclear plants...
here the concept is real clear..we are going to be slave of US in 2050 under congress rule...
these cong politician are explaing this concept as a multilevel marketing where as the concept is very clear ... we r going to loose india again...
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Vinu Bhardwaj on Jul 26, 2008 05:27 AM Permalink
Get a life. I do not care what team they root for as long as they don't blow me up. You can not control person's heart but you have every right to defend yourself from being blown up
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Rehaan on Jul 26, 2008 04:58 AM Permalink
My dear Lovers of Nationalist Indians, Good day to you.
1. Our dear friends from BJP, Akali, CPM etc have un-necessarily voted against Nuclear deal, which is directly benefitial to India, so all these guys are anti-national. Lets chuck them out. Let Narendra Modi wrath be un-leashed on them? Are we going to take India ahead to compete with US, EU, China or Somalia, Ethiopia, Afghanistan are our bechmarks?
My point of view is; On what basis the police have concluded Muslims as suspects? Just because its an easy escape from doing serious work?
Very sad. Modi fanned communal tension to remain in power. Even he is not much worried about hindus-desh. Many of his home state MPs have voted against his wishes.
PLEASE STOP THIS BUSINESS OF GENERALISATION. ONE MUSLIM MAKES A MISTAKE, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY GETS THE BLAME. THE SUPER-POWER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD ARE DOING THIS BLAME GAME FOR OTHER REASONS, THEY WANT OIL AND CONTROL OF ENERGY CAPTIVE COUNTRIE. WHAT IS INDIA GETTING IN THIS?
THINK OVER IT.............POINT TO PODER MY FRIEND.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by rajkiran on Jul 26, 2008 05:13 AM Permalink
Dont make these bullshit argument about generalization. Support laws like POTA etc. then, no one will blame the muslims.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Anil Kumar on Jul 26, 2008 05:19 AM Permalink
rightly said. as soon as the congress came to power, they abolished POTA, in which persons caught were all muslims.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Haris Jan on Jul 26, 2008 06:00 AM Permalink
Support POTA if used properly...Unfortunately, our police system is not competent enough.. I would not want an innocent person to rot in prision for beeing falsely accused...... India's police service is not responisble enough to be handed such responsiblity...... Remember Arushi's murder case where the Inspector General (IG) declared the father as the murdrer and then CBI investigation revealed something else..... I don't wanna see innocent people like Dr. Rajesh Talvar to be booked under POTA. They might not be lucky enough to get a chance for CBI investigation
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Rehaan on Jul 26, 2008 06:24 AM Permalink
POTA was removed for political reasons.
Many leaders from Tamil Nadu were under POTA for political reasons. They had to be let out.
Now Congress tried to position itself as a protector of muslims by branding POTA as anti-muslim. BJP gained pooitical points by saying that we are pro-hindus and favour POTA.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by K L on Jul 26, 2008 07:36 AM Permalink
If we are so serious about uniform laws, don't yoy think the 50% tax concessions given to Hindus under the Hindu undivided Family should also go ? All those in favour of uniform laws should agree to this.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Rehaan on Jul 26, 2008 05:52 AM Permalink
POTA had nothing to do with terror control measures.
POTA was a weapon to mobile votes on hindutva lines. POTA was a weapon to settle ploitical scores. POTA does not have anything extra that already exists in our existing anti-terro laws, except that you can arrests someone without a case for a minimum of 1 year. A grave human-rights issue. POTA is epitome of a ploitical revenge and not a weapon to have a fool proof anti-terror law. US has PATROIT act (like POTA) in force even today. But much safe they today. How many from 9/11 have been convicted, charged and executed??? Think over it.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Raman Krishnan on Jul 26, 2008 06:15 AM Permalink
How many terrorist incidents happened after 9/11 in the US? Zero. How many incidents happened in India after December Parliament attacks? How about Jaipur, Hyderabad, J&K, Bangalore?
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Rehaan on Jul 26, 2008 06:41 AM Permalink
Attacks have been averted in US post 9/11, not because of PATROIT. Its because of the stringent measures taken, massive survielance, immigration facilities beefed up, foreigners accounted and tracked.
1. Here in India the borders are porous. The para-military at borders in India is most corrupt. 2. Here in India anyone can make a Ration-Card. The single most important doument to prove domicile. 3. Why no id-cards are issued and people tracked. As in Singapore. Everybody has i-card. No i-card no citizenship.
There are many many measures that can be taken to PREVENT and AVOID such acts leading to terror.
POTA is not a deterance, but a Salvaging measure, to digress attention from the main causes.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by sudhir on Jul 26, 2008 05:57 AM Permalink
If by punishing thieves , thefts does not stop does that mean remove the law to punish thieves.
Law never ensure the stoppage of crime, they just act as a deterrent for criminals.
As far as US is concerned we do not see any terror attacks after 9/11
RE:RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Raman Krishnan on Jul 26, 2008 06:20 AM Permalink
I agree that the entire community should not be blamed. But who funds these terrorist organizations? Which countries are involved? Surely Saudi Arabia and other oil rich countries are involved in funding madrassas for their Wahabbist ideologies. Or their minions Pakistan and Bangladesh which are spreading the same ideology. Why are the Indian Muslim organizations accepting funding from these global terrorist organizations?
RE:RE:RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Rehaan on Jul 26, 2008 06:33 AM Permalink
Mr Raman, You started your argument judiciously. But digresed in between.
Blaming community and (so called) funding of madarsas have no relation. Madarsas have got a blck mark due to US cold war tactic - to throw Soviets out of Afghanistan. They needed foot soldiers who do not belong to the security/army/para-military forces in Pak. Madarsa talibs (students) were identified as a ready manpower to train and support. It was opportunistic tendency of Narrow-minded Pak leaders to stoop low and hand-over Talibs to be trained. The Madarsas in India have no such orientation and linkages.
We in India have the tendency to ape what happens in the world.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by sudhir on Jul 26, 2008 05:07 AM Permalink
can you tell me how much electricity will be generated because of the deal by 2015.
What is so beneficial about the deal when Australia which is major source of uranium has refused ot supply uranium unless India signs NPT which treats India as a Non-nuclear state.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Haris Jan on Jul 26, 2008 05:14 AM Permalink
Sudhir..Regarding how much electricity will be produced by 2015, i would like you to go read/listen P. Chitambram's speech in the lower house where he talks about China and China's vision with Nuclear Electricity. I really liked that part of the speech where he reads how China, even tho it produces onlu 2% electricity with Nuclear power now, has set major milestone to depend on Nuclear power. We need to look into the future.... Enery will be one of the leading factor to decide world power
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by sudhir on Jul 26, 2008 05:17 AM Permalink
Yes china is a nuclear state and can get uranium from Australia. But India can only construct nuclear plants, where will the fuel come from.
One more thing US which is so eager to get India sign this deal has not built a single nuclear power plant in past 35 years.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Rehaan on Jul 26, 2008 05:27 AM Permalink
We have to rise above singular benefit of N-deal in electricity generation.
1. The deal make India open to N-commerce. 2. All ban related N-technology would be removed. 3. We will join the coveted few in the nuclear club. 4. India cannot become a leader, with no access to an important area calles N-club.
Please do not play with statistics to prove a wrong point. Thats what politicians have done. The N-power generation share in the world is growing, Coal based 39% Oil 10% Gas 15% Hydro 19% Nuclear 16% Others 1%
Lets not quote statistics to suit our biased point. Australia does not generate electricity out of Nuclear power, its their funeral. The other countries Korea, Japan, US, EU are doing it. Since when Australia has become our benchmark?
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by sudhir on Jul 26, 2008 05:34 AM Permalink
India does not generate power from oil and gas. There are only 3 sources of power in India - major Thermal coal based, Hydro and nuclear currently 2%.
Australia is the most important supplier of uranium which is the fuel used in the nuclear reactors. So if Australia says no for the supply of uranium then major supplier of fuel is lost and that is what it is currently doing. We will join the N-Club for only technology to build power plants but not nuclear weapons but this also puts our our nuclear plant under inspection which are currently the major sources for nuclear weapons of india. And these inspection will be done by IAEA the same organisation which had declared that IRAQ had nuclear weapons.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by nagen samal on Jul 26, 2008 06:38 AM Permalink
Rehan, Do you believe US, pls answer why US is so agressive to add India into list and cong is so aggressive to sign, They will simply send India into 70s to 90s where congress rule and do the curroption. Only thing will happen that US will give a lot money to cong politician. and RJD is also following cong for that . I think you know the status of these politician...
I believe otherthan neuclear there are other sources like solar and wind power...Singapore, germany kind of nature friendly countries are heading for these powers..why we n US can not go for this...n y bush is interested to go into indian nuclear plants...
here the concept is real clear..we are going to be slave of US in 2050 under congress rule...
these cong politician are explaing this concept as a multilevel marketing where as the concept is very clear ... we r going to loose india again...
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Rehaan on Jul 26, 2008 05:42 AM Permalink
My dear Mr Sudhir, IAEA never declared that Iraq had weapons. They only went into series of inpections on the basis of suspicion by EU, US etc.
In fact US invaded Iraq after getting OK from IAEA that Iraq DOES NOT have any weapons capability and all identied n-facilities inside Iraq are destroyed.
The case in Iraq and India is different.
India will be (insha-allah) 2nd among countries with highest GDP in 2050. We have tp prepare for those days.
In 1980s when IT and computerisation of banks was initiated, there were series agitations that now with computers, people will loose jobs. Life is doomed. But just the reverse happened. India is IT super-power.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Pushp Shah on Jul 26, 2008 05:21 AM Permalink
thats your muslim community problem.......so u r bound to be affected, being muslim......nobody else to blame......thats your community reputation.....nobody can help.....solve the problem among yourselves rather than being oblivious
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Haris Jan on Jul 26, 2008 04:51 AM Permalink
I understand what they were doing was wrong.... but that has to do with Nationalism and not Terrorism. Lets not compare Sachin getting out with people loosing life. (hey i just realised ur name is sachin too... is that why u felt so bad.. Just kidding. I like tendulkar. my favorite)
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Syed Quadri on Jul 26, 2008 05:21 AM Permalink
All concocted stories from Khaki Chaddi wala Colonial Ghulams
RE:RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by R Prasad on Jul 26, 2008 03:32 PM Permalink
There is nothing hot about you muslims for us to make up fashionable statements about you.
My heartfelt condelences to the families affected by the several blasts in bangalore. India is suffering due to violence in the name of religion. I strongly condemn the terrorists be it of any religion. I hope the intelligence agencies get their act together.
RE:Unfortunate Tragedy
by Mazhar on Jul 26, 2008 05:40 AM Permalink
my friend, please dont waste your time here. i could post a comment like that against other religions, and people like mr. mitra will think that iam stereotyping the whole community because of some hate-mongers like you.
RE:Unfortunate Tragedy
by indranil mitra on Jul 26, 2008 04:41 AM Permalink
Do you really not know from which religion they are?? Sati was abolished because Hindus fought for it.. Do you understand the cue?? Dont be so vague.. You know pretty well who all are behind this blast.. Unless and until you ppl come out against them, there is absolutely no chance for your children in this world.. A look at the name and they will be denied visas, jobs, residences, etc.. It has already started.. Now the biggest question is; Do you want a world like this??
RE:Unfortunate Tragedy
by Mazhar on Jul 26, 2008 05:01 AM Permalink
so basically we should ALREADY know who the terrorists are for any blast in india. and its you, and not God, who will declare whether or not muslims will sustain. ofcourse we dont want a world like this and we will strive to make it better. you only some things started. there have many things started.
If you see the trend in India and abroad about any terror, before any investigation even begins the suspects are named, without any substantiation.
1. In India blasts have happened in mandirs, masjid, eid-gahs, dargaahs, market places, etc. 2. Terror acts have happened in Congress, BJP, other parties ruled states.
Can we have the stock on the last 3 years of blasts and the suspects questioned. None have been found guilty.
There is always a huge publicity in the following days of the blasts that link them to HuJI, SIMI, al-Qaeda, LeT, ABCD, XYZ...But how many leaders of these so called organisations have been arrested and convicted. Its generally easy to round-up petty criminals and very difficult to accept that they were not connected and wrongly questioned.
My conclusion is; 1. The more un-substantiated blame is put on muslims, the more alienation would take place. 2. Police, investigation agencies have an easy accusation to make and get away with their lacklusture work. 3. Politics of blame always color the incident as communal. 4. How come for blasts in masjids, dargaah, eidgahs, muslims are blamed. Moreover when mandirs are attacked, logical blame goes to muslims. Its so funny.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by amdabessst on Jul 26, 2008 04:45 AM Permalink
I dont know about the other blasts but the blasts that took place in Hyderabad masjid was by a muslim for political gain, dont pose innocent questions. Know your comunity my brother!!! The muslims in the Old city of Hyderabad celebrate on the Pakistani victory against India. I have seen them celebrating with fire crackers. So dont say the Muslims are innocent.I will accept if you say they are ignorant about the developments in the world. I have yet to see a muslim become a fan of some other actor instead of a Khan. I too am awaiting for the wisdom amongst my brothers. May god shower his extra grace upon them.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Yash Bhatnagar on Jul 26, 2008 05:10 AM Permalink
Sorry to digress my friend but in response to Muslims being fans of only Khans - let me tell you in early 1980's in Kashmir - Men, women , children - all prayed for the well being of Mr Amitabh Bachchan - during the unfortunate Coolie mishap. I know it, my sister knows it - because we were in Kashmir around that time. Up until 1989 - when the cinemas were closed down by terrorists - Mr Bachachan was the number one star in this muslim majority state, then came Dharmendra, Shatru and Jeetu - older generation loved Dilip saab - but who doesn't.
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Anil Kumar on Jul 26, 2008 05:24 AM Permalink
what mr amdabest said is absolutely right at the current scenario
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by on Jul 26, 2008 04:42 AM Permalink
This is really sensible message.. But tell me one truth..Are not most of religion based terrorists are muslims.?? please read my question carefully ..No bias..
RE:RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by rajkiran on Jul 26, 2008 05:19 AM Permalink
We blame muslims only becoz of ur votebank, laws like pota are repealed. You know very well hatred is primarily becoz hindus are treated as second-class citizens. One mosque is destroyed, the entire political party fights it. Even I condemn. But, at the same time, Govt. is hell bent upon demolishing hindu symbols. Govt make blasphemous comments while kicking out some author who makes some stupid comments about muslims. We all know it is only becoz of this reason, the hatred grows.
All that it takes for the hatred to go away is one protest march by muslims supporting stricter terrorist laws. Until then, dont make bullshit argument about generalization etc. ... Why can't u make just one support march ???
RE:Its too fashionable to blame muslims !!
by Rehaan on Jul 26, 2008 06:17 AM Permalink
Unfortunately muslims do nnot have the backing of strong media house in India.
Their sentments are always exploited.
1. Lot of news were in circulation that N-deal is against muslim sentiments. Which muslim leader of significance mentioned this and why?
Mayawati wanted to milk this controversy to gain some points against Mulayam. Now Mulayam had joined UPA. So Maywati targetted the muslim vote-bank of Mulayam.
Its so disgusting. When our country will rise above this petty blame game that is spoiling the UNITY FABIC of our country.
