RE:Branch
by Joseph Bell on Oct 04, 2007 08:20 PM Permalink
In a way. There are elements that appear to be Shiv Lingua worship in the Jewish Bible. And much of Mithras sect was adopted in early Christianity, because Mithras was god of the Romans. Mithras was Vedic Sun God, and later part of Zoroastrian faith before being passed to the Romans.
Before Islam, the worship was for three goddesses, daughters of male god called Allah. The goddess followed by Muhammad's tribe Quaryasha was called al-Uzza, or Venus. Much of Islam is common with the old and new testaments.
RE:Branch
by Ramasubbu on Oct 05, 2007 01:31 PM Permalink
Yes sir, Christianity in India and islam is India known as Hinduism . All the religion in india are hindu religion. That is how britishers defined it. Hindu word did not exists in any veda, ramayana or any epic. it is brand new modern word for sarva dharama.
but now some ram bhakt claim Hinduism only belongs to Ram, not even jesus, or murugar or allah. how it can be .
RE:RE:RE:RE:Branch
by Umashankar Rukmangada on Oct 04, 2007 06:01 PM Permalink
History or Mythology is besides the point...You can't take out the faith of majority by your illogical reasons and make them 'proselytes'...Get a life!
RE:Branch
by Ramasubbu on Oct 05, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
faith is illusion or supersition, but not science or evidence. We believe in harry potter too.
is untouchability and Devdasi(temple prostitution) part of Ram Rajya or Brahmnic religion ( not hinduism, as hinduism was formed 500 years ago by britishers)
Ram, vishnu , brahma , all artificial, no history, Characters of brahmin fictions. They look good in stories, not in reality. Emotions, sentiments cannot rule the world.Any educated Hindu shouldn't believe in fake stories which never existed.
RE:Joke
by Patriot on Oct 03, 2007 01:04 PM Permalink
so what should they believe in ? Ramayana and Mahabharata are inspirational. They guide, motivate, empower and help one evolve as an individual..If as humans we cannot appreciate them, then what else can be aspirational ? There are a lot many that are passing caustic, uncalled for comments against Sri Rama.. If you do not believe in him, by all means ignore him. But why ridicule or hurt the faith of those that believe in him? It is this kind of frivolous, flippant behavior that leads to riots, looting, arson. Hindus by nature are always reactionary.. they do not go out of the way to invade others or destroy others; but then if people like you keep on provoking them, they will hit back. Always remember that infamous photograph of post-godhra riots of a muslim pleading for mercy. It is a result of boiling rage within hindus. Learn to behave oneself and respect hindus ( do not incite a sleeping tiger) unless you want a north - south fight and see some riots with photographs of a DMKite ( or probably karunanidhi himself ) pleading for mercy ( remember he was stripped almost naked and whipped by police some 4 years back in full public glare ) .. Desist from making inflationary, provocative statements without fully understanding the ramifications of the same. If faith were to be removed from humans, we are just animals ; and in animal kingdom might is right, do you want that ? Think before you speak.
RE:Joke
by Albert on Oct 03, 2007 03:30 PM Permalink
Dear Swamsevakji,
"Always remember that infamous photograph of post-godhra riots of a muslim pleading for mercy. It is a result of boiling rage within hindus. Learn to behave oneself and respect hindus ( do not incite a sleeping tiger)"
Ramasubbu is very few of the Hindus who think before they act But swyamsevaks dont think at all So dont threaten that poor man, let there be freedom of expression man. Blood shed among Indians are the only agenda of the spoiled kids (RSS) of BJP. But keep everything within the limits of north India, where people's favourite colour is RED colour of blood and heard that they drink cola and blood to quench their thirst So people of south India will be greatful if you don't spoil the culture of its own
RE:Joke
by Albert on Oct 03, 2007 06:35 PM Permalink
Mr. Sharma "venom which flows in your veins, is but propaganda of the church"
Though Im not a fanatic Im answering this to tell you That you have never seen church mass fully nor a church I bet you none of the priests preach hatred like the RSS do. Christianity is growing with the acceptence support and the negative publicity RSS provides. But NO FAITH OR A SAINT PREACHES VIOLENCE You educated hindus know that too. But to mislead the low caste hindus from their growth, the sangh does this dirty job. Sangh and the brahmins are afraid the Indian economy is too small to to provide a decent life to all the hindus, thats why they take lead from old puranas to create unrest.
But many of the upper class hindus are too clever and understand every bit of this.
They show their wisdom only when they want an admission in a christian school, or they get it while standing in a 'Q' at the doors of US embassy in hot sun. Like How Buddha got it.
RE:Joke
by Albert on Oct 03, 2007 08:41 PM Permalink
To Patriot ans Mr. Sharmaji,
Why dont you both take a wow to say a prayer every night before going to bed. The prayer is, India is my country, Every Indians are my brothers and sisters.
It may help to release the frustration
But whatever Karunanidhi said is wrong if it is said to hurt, But he is a old man and he is revered for his age, will you not forgive your grand father?
As per rama sethu and its canal it should not be considered when so much of people opposing it. I think there should be a referendum on it if we are truly democratic. But the fact is it is not exactly the canal, but BJPs comback plan with preachings of hatred and violence are the concern. About the north south divide this is not the first time tamil bashing is done. Tamil nadu and tamils are hated allover India and you should accept it. Once I worked in mumbai and some people were saying lot of madrasis who spoil their party. The lot consists Mallus and telugus but IT is THE TAMIL WHO TAKE THE BRUNT ALWAYS Be it in bangalore or in Mumbai this is the sad situation of my people. If hinduism can change this step motherly treatments, I will really apprriciate it.
Believe me There should not be a canal if majority dont want it. all you have to do is do not abuse tamils as they are one lot of secular people and patriots as well.
I am re-posting this as your chnanging of clouours does not change my response
You previously talk about "South India" and South Indians as being seperate from the North and then preach Indian Unity.
You want to revere what Karunanidhi said after he hurt so many millions' sentiment.
What sheer hypocrisy.
When people respond to your Hindu bashing you, then ask them to take a higher road, while you yourself make snide remarks and denigrate Hindu faith.
YOur last ludicrous statement about the Sensex being much higher now than when BJP left office is bordering on the ridiculous.
This is a DIRECT benefit of investment and GOOD GOVERNANCE BY THE BJP.
How foolish to think that this could have happened without planning and investment made YEARS before results come to fruition.
Is that not why all of us go to school and INVEST years of our life so that the benfits come about YEARS later.
In your zeal to put down BJP and Hindus you forget that we Hindus are also aware of the brainwashing that occurs by the padre/mulla and that in some instances (not all) your loyalty lies more to yuor faith than your antion.
So, the time for fooling Hindus by manipulation IS COMING TO AN END.
RE:Joke
by shubhankar sharma on Oct 03, 2007 07:53 PM Permalink
Christianity is one of the few faiths PREACHING non violence. But its folowers do the exact OPPOSITE. Christians have historically come across as a bloodthirsty race. Crusades is just one example. The tirade against the islamicworld and destruction of Iraq is another example. I have indeed seen the church and its folowers very closely. I have seen from myown eyes how in delhi chuch offers bribes to hindus to convert. In fact christian conversion is perhaps the most confounding financial crime of the modern day.
As far as christian schools go, I personally made it a point that my child will not study in this false religion of hate. she does not go to a christian school.
And now Mr albert, its YOUR CHRISTIAN brothers who are queing at the gate sof india to make some money. to be a part of this 'HINDU ECONOMIC GROWTH ENGINE'
RE:Joke
by Patriot on Oct 03, 2007 07:29 PM Permalink
Mr Albert you are still resorting to same old brahmin bashing and hindu bashing.. You have never addressed the point what I was trying to make.. If you are a christian, then fine.. stick to christianity.. why criticise hindus or hindu deities ? and if you still believe in doing that , then equally you will face and very much deserve the muck that the other side will throw in response. We are not that tolerant that you will come and make nasty comments on us and we should take that in stride. Desist from instigation and provocation. there are already enough issues to address for the nation as a whole. Do not ridicule hindus or their deities without knowing them or what they represent.. and there is no north south divide except amongst those that want to fuel this. There are more hindu temples in south india ( and tamil nadu in particular ) than in any other state in this country. But unfortunately the likes of you have your own agenda ( to promote christianity ), the likes of Karunanidhi have their own ( to fuel atheism and tamil nationalism ).. It is jesus ( I guess )that said 'DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS THAT WHICH YOU WOULD NOT WANT DONE UNTO ONESELF'.. and so are you even a honest to goodness christian???
RE:RE:Joke
by Ramasubbu on Oct 04, 2007 01:46 AM Permalink
Kakaji or Chacha ji, Why many of Hindus study in Christian school. No educated family wants to send thier kids to Hindu schools, not even BJP, RSS, VHP activist's kids go to Hindu school. It is because Ram, Brahma, Vishnu, Ganesha are fake gods and we are tolerating brahmin slavery. Who would send their kids to follow brahmin slavery or to follow fake gods. I am not believing jesus either, But point is why other countries are doing much better without Ram, sita, Krishna, Brahma, Ganesha? Do Europe or America have Rama, brahma fake stories to motivate society? Frankly speaking Hinduism is nothing but slavery of brahmins and their non-existing bogus characters. We feed them, we please them, and we live under their threat, so that they can survive. Itis the reason India is today ruled by goons,& probably most corrupt country in world with around 160,000 Crores of Rs going in Bribe, gifts and favours where 98% police and judiciary is rotten. Do you still want us to trust slavery of Hinduism is doing any good? First stop sending your kids to Christian schools, stop corruption. Talking abt Ram and Sita would gain politicians to get votes, but what public will get? Women will still be raped by Army, police and powerful people.Indian women are most unsafe in Sita's country. Judiciary will still get leased to devils. Ravan had multiple heads or not, but certainly our country& brahmin politics has.It is time we scrap slavery of hinduism and talk about humanity. Believe religion princ
RE:RE:RE:RE:Joke
by Ramasubbu on Oct 05, 2007 01:48 PM Permalink
there is no lord rama. he never existed. only fanatic will believe, not the people who think rationally and believe in science. let hindu gods drink tonnes of milk, but i would bother more for poor kids who can't get milk. God drink milk happily and their devotees die out of starvation.
RE:Joke
by Mahendra Patel on Oct 05, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
Here is where Midle Eastern Religion of BOOKS Fit in our Scheme.(these are Called Religions of BOOK, Because They Just Blindley Read and Blindly Follow-and their Religion is Frozen for Last 2000 and 1400 in Book)
In pure form One is Devotional Path of Madhva, Ramanuja, Vllabha.(Qualified Vashistha- Dvaita,God and Human).
The other May be close to Shankara's Advaita.
But in practice- Look at Middle East and Western Europe's History- Last Two World war, Including Lesser one in Vietnam and Presently in Iraq. Killing Close to Million, unarmed Civilian- That's what we need to discuss,and not any other Sacred Subject Like Vedas, Hinduism and Incarnation of LORD VISNU-RAMA.
It is said that Even Jesus came to INDIA to learn What is Real Religion Means.(Beause from age 15 to 32 There is no Record of Jesus), In new Testament-Gospel of jesuses Closest Desciple Marry Magdalin is not Included, because She was woman.
Don't argue with our own Country men, at present they neither know their Past nor the History of Religion of BOOKS and Current state of mind of Their own Faith, they have Killed Millions, in Europe, North America, South America, Asia, Middle East, AFRICA-Name a Place were they have spared Native People, for What? Free LAND, MINERALS ,OIL ,DIAMONDS-Than they bring with them Their Priests to Convert those who servived, why ? Convert and still treat them as Slave,not as equall,Put enough POISON in their Mind-So that they Live and Act like ZOMBIE.
RE:Joke
by Ramasubbu on Oct 04, 2007 12:53 PM Permalink
Thank god america, japan, germany did not have Ram, else they would have been as corrupt as Indians. look at our judiciary and police who are 90% rotten. Women are most unsafe in this Ram-rajya. thank god Rest of world doesn't have this Ram Rajya. let us go to christian school and start believing all those fake gods created by Brahmins. Basically hinduism is another name of brahmin slavery. RAM RAJYA HAS CORRUPTED OUR COUNTRY WHERE PEOPLE DIE OUT OF HUNGER, DISEASE , POVERTY, but we still love feeding our fake gods with LADDU and PEDA.
All our kids go to christian schools and we talk about non-existing Ram. Afterall we are slaves to our gunda politicians, bureaucracy and slave of western world. Thanks to China also who manufacturer our Hanumanji and Ram Idols. Imported Ramji , sitaji, Hanumanji.
I apologise for being blunt, I don't care what religion you or we are, first we need to respect work, humanity. RAM RAJYA has only bought as poverty, hunger and slavery.
RE:Joke
by Ramasubbu on Oct 05, 2007 01:41 PM Permalink
Saivist and Vaishanvites were big enemies of each other. Hinduism was formed some 500 years ago believe it or not it is your problem. Brahmins hated Siva and he was considered another ravana, who was sent to vanvas just being dravidian god, as per their second version of veda. Morover siva is another form of Jain god adinath who were discovered in harappan civilization which is more than 5000 years old culture.
RE:Joke
by Mahendra Patel on Oct 07, 2007 06:22 AM Permalink
Listen dear, Fake, Fiction or Fact Freak. See the Geneousness of shaping Grand CIVILIZATION.
It's not Built on Hatred -But Great insight into very core of Humanity. So dear don't waste you time.
Look at other So called Religion of Books they are Frozen for Last 2000 and the other for 1400 years those are dead relion,out dated by 2000 years. There is no sense in defendig those, they are in decline both as religion and on account of influencing mindset of their followers, one is fall in Trap of MONEY and the other is Fall in Trap of Hate.
If you like that's fine with US. That's why The Majority of INDIA allowing you to Pursue you Folley.
these converts should change their name.. even muthuvel karunanidhi is a Christian; whereas the name 'muthuvel' is symbolic of hindu deity skanda/murugan/subramanian. Infact this karunanidhi could loose elections if it were to be known that he is non-hindu. There are many more rajasekhara reddy is also a christian convert, so is ambika soni.. There could be many more.. Even pseudos, rationalists, communists should put different suffixes and prefixes in their name to signify their stand sitaram yechury should desist from having sita and ram in his name and should infact call himself only comrade yechury.. Prannoy roy, rajdeep sardesai should also change their names to congressi roy or provocative sardesai the instigator. These are blots on hinduism.. born in hindu country in a hindu family and yet pursue interests inimical to hinduism despite claiming all benefits of being in hindu fold. If hinduism is all that wrong, then why carry hindu names? There is no India without Hinduism and Rama, Krishna and other deities are Hinduism.. we respect these souls becuase these are teachers and leaders of a very high order.. First one should read them, then understand them and then follow them in totality, before commenting on them.. Only a true Hindu(or should I say sanatani, a follower of sanatan dharm, the eternal religion ) will know the value and worth of being born a hindu and knowing &living out its tenets.
Hello upper class You are talking hinduism and divided the people to rule. It is a known fact that, man can easily accept anything when he is in distress. These so called religion attacks these sentiments and divide the society. By any means the upper class people want to rule and enjoy the benefits. No more. Already more and more oppressed peoples understand the game plan and started to oppose. Example Mayawati in UP, karunanidhi in tamilnadu. nj
RE:hinduism
by shubhankar sharma on Oct 03, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
i am shocked at your funny and illetrate response. who made mayawati the chief minister? brahmins and other upper castes voted her to power. North India is witnessing a sea change. But you people are blind. you cannot see the change happening. open your eyes. people like karunanidhi are feeding you blind people poison.
RE:Nikti Abaraj
by Perv Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 09:16 PM Permalink
And these stories are only 1400 to 3000 years old ?
The world oldest University was in Takshila around 600 B.C. which means around 2600 years ago ? This is historically proved ? So compare the above religions on this basis ?
Dear Tarun, Its an excellent article with appropriate wisdom and sentiments and due respect for timeless Sanatan Vedic culture.
How the Hinduism is not a mythology but really a God Centered way of life is shown by followers of Bhagavat Geeta , as millions today across the globe embrace the teachings of Lord Krishna & Lord Rama and lead a God Centered life.
Yet another thing to ask is " Is only Seeing the Believing? \" Can we see air, atom or electron? NO! We have different methodologies to prove that they exist. Similarly God is not our servant, and like a waiter will show up when demanded by fools to prove His existence. tomorrow ant Tom/Dick/Harry can climb to terrace and shout : \" Mr Bush! Show up immediately if at all you exist!\" , and will foolishly conclude that Mr Bush doesn\'t exist. But he is making a great mistake. What he doesn\'t know is that there exists a way to meet Mr Bush, thru proper appointment. If even to meet Mr. Bush, a tiny living entity needs a proper endevour, how foolish is it to demand Ram\'s presence without proper preparation. Its foolish. Solution is : First learn to follow word\'s of God, that is Bhagavad Geeta. Chant His Holy Names esp \" Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare ! Hare Rama Hare Rama , Rama Rama Hare Hare !! \" as done by millions thruout the globe regardless of their caste, religion or nationality. Then Lord will reveal to such a sincere follower!
RE:RE:Prepare Your Eyes to See Lord Ram !
by Ramasubbu on Oct 03, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
Ram, vishnu , brahma , all artificial, no history, Characters of brahmin fictions. They look good in stories, not in reality. Emotions, sentiments cannot rule the world.Any educated Hindu shouldn't believe in fake stories which never existed. Every god in our religion is fake, who never came to earth.
RE:Prepare Your Eyes to See Lord Ram !
by Think Human on Oct 03, 2007 10:41 PM Permalink
Rama ji, If you don't believe in God, then why you want to be called with God's name. better change it and come back to the forum.
Dear Tarun, Its an excellent article with appropriate wisdom and sentiments and due respect for timeless Sanatan Vedic culture.
How the Hinduism is not a mythology but really a God Centered way of life is shown by followers of Bhagavat Geeta , as millions today across the globe embrace the teachings of Lord Krishna & Lord Rama and lead a God Centered life.
Yet another thing to ask is " Is only Seeing the Believing? " Can we see air, atom or electron? NO! We have different methodologies to prove that they exist. Similarly God is not our servant, and like a waiter will show up when demanded by fools to prove His existence. tomorrow ant Tom/Dick/Harry can climb to terrace and shout : " Mr Bush! Show up immediately if at all you exist!" , and will foolishly conclude that Mr Bush doesn't exist. But he is making a great mistake. What he doesn't know is that there exists a way to meet Mr Bush, thru proper appointment. If even to meet Mr. Bush, a tiny living entity needs a proper endevour, how foolish is it to demand Ram's presence without proper preparation. Its foolish. Solution is : First learn to follow word's of God, that is Bhagavad Geeta. Chant His Holy Names esp " Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare ! Hare Rama Hare Rama , Rama Rama Hare Hare !! " as done by millions thruout the globe regardless of their caste, religion or nationality. Then Lord will reveal to such a sincere follower!
RE:Prepare Your Eyes to See Lord Ram !
by Ramasubbu on Oct 04, 2007 12:55 PM Permalink
Thank god america, japan, germany did not have Ram, else they would have been as corrupt as Indians. look at our judiciary and police who are 90% rotten. Women are most unsafe in this Ram-rajya. thank god Rest of world doesn't have this Ram Rajya. let us go to christian school and start believing all those fake gods created by Brahmins. Basically hinduism is another name of brahmin slavery. RAM RAJYA HAS CORRUPTED OUR COUNTRY WHERE PEOPLE DIE OUT OF HUNGER, DISEASE , POVERTY, but we still love feeding our fake gods with LADDU and PEDA.
All our kids go to christian schools and we talk about non-existing Ram. Afterall we are slaves to our gunda politicians, bureaucracy and slave of western world. Thanks to China also who manufacturer our Hanumanji and Ram Idols. Imported Ramji , sitaji, Hanumanji.
I apologise for being blunt, I don't care what religion you or we are, first we need to respect work, humanity. RAM RAJYA has only bought as poverty, hunger and slavery.
Gandhi considered the story of Lord Krishna and Lord Ram a "metaphor", reveals a 1930 diary of a Congress activist that a lifelong communist happened to pick up from a street vendor here.
The Mahatma had asked those who marched with him during the historic Dandi march to maintain a diary, and C.K. Nair, a diehard Congressman, did just that.
At a daily meeting, when someone asked Gandhi why fighters like Maharana Pratap, Shivaji and Guru Gobind Singh were worshipped as great men, he replied: "Even Ram and Krishna did the same. But I do not believe in the actual story but believe it as metaphor."
Gandhi went on: "What I think is that violence is not the religion of this age. I again appeal to you all for purification... We must be humble enough before we undertake to begin this great and holy work."
Nair carefully and faithfully took down Gandhi's sermons, making fresh entries in the diary every night, mostly in Hindi but occasionally in English. The Mahatma regularly went through the diary. His initials figure at least eight times in the 352-page vintage document.
The diary covered the periods from Jan 1, 1930, to May 9, 1930 - when Nair was based at the Sabarmati Ashram in Ahmedabad - and from May 11, 1930, to June 7, 1930. There is a long gap -- probably Nair was jailed then - before the entries resume July 12, 1934, and conclude on March 29, 1935.
Anand Gupta, who has been with the Communist Party of India (CPI) since 1944 and is also a bookworm, picked up
Gandhi considered the story of Lord Krishna and Lord Ram a "metaphor", reveals a 1930 diary of a Congress activist that a lifelong communist happened to pick up from a street vendor here.
The Mahatma had asked those who marched with him during the historic Dandi march to maintain a diary, and C.K. Nair, a diehard Congressman, did just that.
At a daily meeting, when someone asked Gandhi why fighters like Maharana Pratap, Shivaji and Guru Gobind Singh were worshipped as great men, he replied: "Even Ram and Krishna did the same. But I do not believe in the actual story but believe it as metaphor."
Gandhi went on: "What I think is that violence is not the religion of this age. I again appeal to you all for purification... We must be humble enough before we undertake to begin this great and holy work."
Nair carefully and faithfully took down Gandhi's sermons, making fresh entries in the diary every night, mostly in Hindi but occasionally in English. The Mahatma regularly went through the diary. His initials figure at least eight times in the 352-page vintage document.
The diary covered the periods from Jan 1, 1930, to May 9, 1930 - when Nair was based at the Sabarmati Ashram in Ahmedabad - and from May 11, 1930, to June 7, 1930. There is a long gap -- probably Nair was jailed then - before the entries resume July 12, 1934, and conclude on March 29, 1935.
Anand Gupta, who has been with the Communist Party of India (CPI) since 1944 and is also a bookworm, picked up
RE:Did gandhi say 'hey Ram before pissing off?no,it was kangressi propoganda!
by nagesh singh on Oct 01, 2007 01:24 PM Permalink
At age 81, Gupta remains a dedicated communist and a voracious reader - but he has contempt for Mahatma Gandhi.
"I think he was a coward and a selfish man," he said. "I have no respect for Mahatma Gandhi in any way."
Gupta feels that Mahatma Gandhi was timid vis-?is the British.
"When he was pushed out of the train in South Africa, he should have kicked the man who did it instead of preaching homilies about non-violence. Gandhi repeatedly halted the civil disobedience movement whenever there was even minor violence."
Gupta has some 2,000 books in his collection including a rare a khadi-bound first edition of Mahatma Gandhi's autobiography, "My Experiments With Truth".
"I have a love for old letters and manuscripts," he says. "But when I bought Nair's diary, I had no idea what it was. Even the man who sold it did not know what it was.
"My thinking was, 'Well, if it is handwritten, then it must be important.' So I bought it for four annas.
"It is only after going home that I realised that I had purchased a treasure. It was a record of Mahatma Gandhi's activities during a certain period in 1930 by someone who knew him well. I have no idea how it ended up at Ajmeri Gate."
RE:Did gandhi say 'hey Ram before pissing off?no,it was kangressi propoganda!
by nagesh singh on Oct 01, 2007 01:29 PM Permalink
At age 81, Gupta remains a dedicated communist and a voracious reader - but he has contempt for Mahatma Gandhi.
"I think he was a coward and a selfish man," he said. "I have no respect for Mahatma Gandhi in any way."
Gupta feels that Mahatma Gandhi was timid vis-?is the British.
"When he was pushed out of the train in South Africa, he should have kicked the man who did it instead of preaching homilies about non-violence. Gandhi repeatedly halted the civil disobedience movement whenever there was even minor violence."
Gupta has some 2,000 books in his collection including a rare a khadi-bound first edition of Mahatma Gandhi's autobiography, "My Experiments With Truth".
"I have a love for old letters and manuscripts," he says. "But when I bought Nair's diary, I had no idea what it was. Even the man who sold it did not know what it was.
"My thinking was, 'Well, if it is handwritten, then it must be important.' So I bought it for four annas.
"It is only after going home that I realised that I had purchased a treasure. It was a record of Mahatma Gandhi's activities during a certain period in 1930 by someone who knew him well. I have no idea how it ended up at Ajmeri Gate."
RE:Did gandhi say 'hey Ram before pissing off?no,it was kangressi propoganda!
by nagesh singh on Oct 01, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
At age 81, Gupta remains a dedicated communist and a voracious reader - but he has contempt for Mahatma Gandhi.
"I think he was a coward and a selfish man," he said. "I have no respect for Mahatma Gandhi in any way."
Gupta feels that Mahatma Gandhi was timid vis-?is the British.
"When he was pushed out of the train in South Africa, he should have kicked the man who did it instead of preaching homilies about non-violence. Gandhi repeatedly halted the civil disobedience movement whenever there was even minor violence."
Gupta has some 2,000 books in his collection including a rare a khadi-bound first edition of Mahatma Gandhi's autobiography, "My Experiments With Truth".
"I have a love for old letters and manuscripts," he says. "But when I bought Nair's diary, I had no idea what it was. Even the man who sold it did not know what it was.
"My thinking was, 'Well, if it is handwritten, then it must be important.' So I bought it for four annas.
"It is only after going home that I realised that I had purchased a treasure. It was a record of Mahatma Gandhi's activities during a certain period in 1930 by someone who knew him well. I have no idea how it ended up at Ajmeri Gate."
This is a message to Indians scattered in every nook and cranny of this world.It pains me to see columns like this.Why can't people think beyond their own petty prejudices.In my experience most of the people who make a hue and cry about Hindu sentiments and their affinity to Ram etc are the first to run to US or UK at the first opportunity.Look at all the NRI Hindus in the US. They are more westernised than the westerners themselves.Why are you are so two-faced?
I think after all these years of dispute for once people are waking up to the fact that Ram has no historical proof.This is an issue which should have been discuss way back.Maybe then we wouldn't have had all this Hindu-Muslim violence and all these saffron parties would have just been cults. No one can argue about it.Where is the proof that Ram existed?
Christianity and Islam have solid proof.Both these religions also originated in Asia and not in Europe.
Or even going by faith as this columnist says, I'm sorry to say Ram is truly overrated.We all Ramayana ends with Ram suspecting his wife.So your point about him being a caring husband is moot.
And just to remind you.India is a secular country even though she harbors communal trash like you.So please stop writing stuff like this which is based on your faith but which to the rest of us is a myth.Let's not berate our motherland with such pettiness.
For once, just once let's all just think of ourselves as Indians and not Hindus, Muslims or Christians.
RE:Stop writing such biased articles
by talib on Oct 09, 2007 02:53 AM Permalink
MR NAGESH R U CRAZY.HOW CAN U WRITE THESE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE ABOUT OUR PROPHET.DID ANY MUSLIM IN INDIA USED ANY FOUL LANGUAGE ABOUT YOUR GOD RAM OR SITA.HOW COULD YOU.I M SURE FROM NOW ON YOU WILL BE DEFINATELY CURSED AND MARK MY WORDS YOUR DOWNFALL IS STARTED
RE:Stop writing such biased articles
by Mahendra Patel on Oct 01, 2007 07:06 AM Permalink
How about all three traditions of Books, fighting Fighting with Each other and Killing as of RIGHT NOW in Middle East.
Do they really know what Religion Means???
And My Brother So Called "COMMUNIST". Did you ever wonder it's History was also BLOODY???
Now my Socalled "INTELLECTUALS" TRY TO LIVE IN PAKISTAN FOR ONE GENERATION, NO BODY WILL BE FIND A TRACE OF YOU ???
SO, AFTER 5000 YEARS YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT RAM THINK TWICE, and BOW DOWN TO MOTHER INDIA, FOR HER TOLERANCE or ALLOWING YOU THIS FREEDOM.
RE:Stop writing such biased articles
by Jeffrey Mittal on Oct 01, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
@Nithyapriya Inbaraj
When you say "Christianity and Islam have solid proof"
What proof are you talking about with Christ.
Do you know that ALL 4 gospels of the so-called apostles are contradictory to each other The ressurrection of Christ is crux of Christianity, then what nonsense are you talking about?
When you are able to truly read and comprehend the Ramayana and not from the brainwashed viewpoint of the padre/mulla, then statements like you made come about.
Try to get above the visceral hatred of the Hindu faith and understand the philosophy of Sanatana Dharma.
Live not in fear of "hell" like inculcated into your barin by the Semetic faiths. That fear and guilt complex fed into your brain warps your thinking
Taking pot shots and denigrating the Hindu faith does not make the Semetic faiths TRUE IN ANY FASHION.
I can tell you that if you cannot get the story straight after TWO THOUSAND years and then you swallow the lie, then rational discussion is not possible.
So can the B.S. and understand that the Hindus do know about their faith and Rma lives on in our hearts and WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
RE:Stop writing such biased articles
by Albert on Oct 03, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
'For once, just once let's all just think of ourselves as Indians'
This could solve the whole lot of problems at once But the BJP and its spoiled kids like RSS VHP do not want thet way. They do not want a peaceful India And will never get a foothold in Indian politics without this blood games They cant complain about econmmy, When BJP left power the stock market was at 6000 points But today it is going to march at 18000. What will they do, they are running out of reasons
RE:Stop writing such biased articles
by Jeffrey Mittal on Oct 03, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
@ albert
You seem to change colours very fast.
You tALk about "South India" and South Indians as being seperate from the North and then preach Indian Unity.
You want to revere what Karunanidhi said after he hurt so many millions' sentiment.
What sheer hypocrisy.
When people respond to your Hindu bashing you, then ask them to take a higher road, while you yourself make snide remarks and denigrate Hindu faith.
YOur last ludicrous statement about the Sensex being much higher now than when BJP left office is bordering on the ridiculous.
This is a DIRECT benefit of investment and GOOD GOVERNANCE BY THE BJP.
How foolish to think that this could have happened without planning and investment made YEARS before results come to fruition.
Is that not why all of us go to school and INVEST years of our life so that the benfits come about YEARS later.
In your zeal to put down BJP and Hindus you forget that we Hindus are also aware of the brainwashing that occurs by the padre/mulla and that in some instances (not all) your loyalty lies more to yuor faith than your antion.
So, the time for fooling Hindus by manipulation IS COMING TO AN END.
RE:RE:Stop writing such biased articles
by Ramasubbu on Oct 04, 2007 03:23 AM Permalink
North India hindu gods are fake, only South Hindu Gods are real. We do not recognise, Rama, Ganesh, Brahma, vishnu
RE:RE:RE:Stop writing such biased articles
by Ramasubbu on Oct 04, 2007 03:25 AM Permalink
Only Muruga, Govinda, Balaji , Parthasarthy, Gobal perumal , kabaleeshwara are real Gods.
RE:Stop writing such biased articles
by Umashankar Rukmangada on Oct 04, 2007 09:23 AM Permalink
I am a kannadiga from bangalore (south Indian)and for me all gods are equal.We people don't discriminate among gods.So, dont categorise south indians as a single group. If you have filth and hatred in your mind(for reasons, what so ever), keep it for yourself.Don't try to divide hindus.
RE:Stop writing such biased articles
by Umashankar Rukmangada on Oct 01, 2007 12:48 PM Permalink
Dear Leftist, you try to be an 'argumentative Indian' but alas(!), your arguments fail miserably because your are camouflaged religious zealout who tries to be a bit submissive - nothing more and nothing less ! You still think people are 'waking up' to fact that Ram has no historical proof ?Raam continues to be in our hearts and will be adored as 'Maryada purushottham' since time immemorial and for the next generations to come.You need to wake up and align to this feeling of majority - "Never messup with our Ram". you fool , how can you say Islam and Christianity have solid proofs ? Read the comments in this forum by my friends and you start doubting the origins of your religions(I bet you are one among these.Tell me what 'solid' proof you need about hinduism? We have nurtured zealouts like you in our country and that itself is the proof of my religion and religious attitude towards other religions. If ever, RAM is overrated its because people like you bring him to discussions for all wrong and selfish reasons. A last point - India can be a secular country agreed...This secularism should not be at the cost of one's religion and appeasing the other.Secular YES..RAM..YES
RE:Stop writing such biased articles
by Perv Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 09:09 PM Permalink
Good Point - So Christainity and ISLAM have solid proof ?
Can U please give the Proof of Allah and whichever GOD is worshipped by JEWS and Christianity ? CAN U PROVE the existence in these Religions?
We don't want the stupid proof that Mohammed heard a voice from Allah or Mosses heard a voice from a Burning Bush ? Apply the same facts to Them which U apply to the existence of RAM as a GOD ?
RE:Stop writing such biased articles
by Umashankar Rukmangada on Oct 01, 2007 12:48 PM Permalink
Dear Leftist, you try to be an 'argumentative Indian' but alas(!), your arguments fail miserably because your are camouflaged religious zealout who tries to be a bit submissive - nothing more and nothing less ! You still think people are 'waking up' to fact that Ram has no historical proof ?Raam continues to be in our hearts and will be adored as 'Maryada purushottham' since time immemorial and for the next generations to come.You need to wake up and align to this feeling of majority - "Never messup with our Ram". you fool , how can you say Islam and Christianity have solid proofs ? Read the comments in this forum by my friends and you start doubting the origins of your religions(I bet you are one among these.Tell me what 'solid' proof you need about hinduism? We have nurtured zealouts like you in our country and that itself is the proof of my religion and religious attitude towards other religions. If ever, RAM is overrated its because people like you bring him to discussions for all wrong and selfish reasons. A last point - India can be a secular country agreed...This secularism should not be at the cost of one's religion and appeasing the other.Secular YES..RAM..YES
