It is easy from our chairs to comment and advise, as we ourself dont have to take the decision.
With Power comes the responsibility. Now the power is been handed over to Congress and CPI by the Indian Majority. So they have to take the decision keeping in mind Indias welfare
The future is not alredy written, Its depend on the decisions what we make today.
The ruling chairs have to consider the fact, the next generation will blame them for any damage to INDIA because the decision they take.
So take a decision considering the benefit of India , and not for saving the chair or for own partys benefits.
Majority trusted you and made you sit on the top, and the top chair have the better view than anybody else.
I personally feel India should opt for developing indegineious systems rather than getting depend on outside countries, but I feel the one on the top chair knows better than me, what is good for India as they have a better wide spread view.
RE:It is the matter of making Decision.
by Tanya Shah on Oct 24, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
I agree with you on this. With power comes the responsibility. India should now stand to the might of developed nations and that could only happen thru self reliance.
We need to go with the treaty if we need to go with it but we should continue to look for the self reliance alternative too which shall help us great on a long run
India is not good in being self relient in any field, We need to import some parts to make euipment working, Kalam should give down to earth advices to the lame duck government we have here.
RE:We can not be self relient
by anjan salgia on Oct 24, 2007 11:05 AM Permalink
hey Rajesh you belong to which country dont under estimate my nation we are the one who are ruling the world so better you should do what you are suppose to do.
RE:We can not be self relient
by Tanya Shah on Oct 24, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
Rajesh probably is too much down on self confidence. Hey great nations are not turned great overnight. Its a long process and USA took 400 years to reach the position where it is rite now.
India is half the way in just 50 years of independance.....check you attitue Rajesh
RE:We can not be self relient
by raj on Oct 24, 2007 11:10 PM Permalink
Tanya Shah , US is only 230 plus years old. But their progress started soon after the 2nd world war. All this BS about 400 yrs is crap. THey did invent so many things. And they came up thru hard work and patriotism. NO COMMUNIST HERE. YOU NEVER EVER SEE AN A AMERICAN LABOR CARRYING COMMUNIST FLAG LIKE OUR INDIAN TRADE UNIONS. AFLCIO CARRIES US NATIONAL FLAG FIRST.
RE:We can not be self relient
by GN on Oct 24, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
India is among six countries that launch satellites and do so even for Germany, Belgium, South Korea, Singapore and EU countries.
India's INSAT is among the world's largest domestic satellite communication systems.
India%u2019s Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV) was indigenously manufactured with most of the components like motor cases, inter-stages, heat shield, cryogenic engine, electronic modules all manufactured by public and private Indian industry.
Is that enough or you want me to update you more about our great Nation.
Yes I do accept, the rate of progess been very slow compared to other few countries.
RE:We can not be self relient
by Tanya Shah on Oct 24, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
I am not sure of cryogenic engines. I think we have got the technology from the russians for that
RE:We can not be self relient
by Ajit Barve on Oct 24, 2007 11:35 AM Permalink
Rajesh, if india is not self reliant, as u pointed out, should we be thinking of being self reliant, instead of crying about it and depending on others for our defense? Main problem in depending on US is, WHO WILL PROTECT YOU FROM USA ITSELF? Do u want to sit in the league of Israel or Iraq? Wolrd is still not globalized enough that we can do away with dependency in defense..or, just settle for being just a pawn in USA armer.
RE:RE:We can not be self relient
by raj on Oct 24, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
Ajit Barve , For the past 35 plus years we were depending for Soveit arms.And we were their pawn for a long period of time. How come you forgot to mension that? MAY BE YOU DONT MIND AS LONG AS IT IS CHINA OR RUSSIA. YOU MAY BE ALERGIC TO AMERICA , ISREAL AND THE WEST AS A WHOLE.
Our whole bunch of scientists and engineers have so far been unable to produce a decent automobile engine. All indian auto companies still depend on foreign technology to power their automobiles. To scuttle competition they beg with the government to not to allow their foreign partners to setup their shop. They always want 'transfer of technology' coz they know they cant develop it. So much for an automobile engine. Anothe example would be the case of large generators for the Mega Power projects. Our very own BHEL can't develop large generators and wants 'Transfer of technolofy' from french firms. What we are talking about here is nuclear technology. When we fail to develop lesser technologies I find it hard to believe that we would ever be able to develop nuclear technology. What have our scientists done in the last 30 years is anybody's guess. Let us not fool ourselves in false pride.
RE:False Pride??
by Tanya Shah on Oct 24, 2007 11:15 AM Permalink
Gurdeep Tata motors have made the 100% indigeneous automobile if you have not updated your knowledge on the same.
Nations are not build on automobiles technology...there is lot more to it and we are doing good in most of the fields now...
RE:False Pride??
by Gurdeep Singh on Oct 24, 2007 12:37 PM Permalink
When we can't build and automobile engine its stupid to dream of being self reliant in nuclear energy. Having seen the tatas noisy Indica engine I hope similar stuff from them again. And Vijay I disagree that we can actually build technology. The best of brains from around the world come together to develop technology in the US. How can we match them when our best brains migrate there.
BARC Scientists : The most beuraucratic breed of "scientists" BARC staff : Shiv Sena goons. Given this profile, there is no doubt that from the time Homi Bhabha established BARC it has not moved an inch towards using thorium to its desired ends. Most sensible scientist in BARC agree that we should go ahead with the deal, except for some old soviet era guys like Iyengar etc. Thorium is not an easy option, just forget it for the moment and go ahead with the deal. Dr. Kalam is an optimist and people like him are rare to find in our government research labs.
123 is okay if (i)it is exempted from the Hyde, and (2) no yankee inspections on the dharati of Bharatvarsh. We want no neanderthaals to hurl probing questions at us as if we are their obedient servants.
Besides the United States of America our politicians must also explore other avenues of procurement of this nuclear fuel.
The House must decide the fate of 123, not the left, who should be barked away from the coalition of UPA.
Let there be early elections.
The left is blackmailing the whole nation.
If they want more money they must be explicit about it.
Mademoiselle has it plenty.
In whatever currency they want.
Anywhere in the world.
Naalaayakon ka jub sahara koi letaa hai to ooski kimmat chookanee padti hai.
RE:kalam is wrong
by Sam on Oct 24, 2007 11:08 AM Permalink
Why is it sad? didnt get any job or didnt pass? When are u becomming head of missile tech or president of india?
India has to go a long way to build a commercial Fast Breeder nuke plant. As Shri.Kalam said, it will take at least 5-10 yrs to develop a stable technology. Fast breeder reactors use uranium and the plutonium derived frm it to convert Thorium to the fissile uranium. So we need uranium anyway and our reserves are getting depleted fast. So uranium import is the most important thing in the Nuke deal that we are looking at. Once the deal is done, then we get into the good guys club so that uranium rich countries like Australia and Canada can export it to us.
RE:Fast Breeder Technology still far away
by Sam on Oct 24, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
10 years in 8 hour work day at 5 days a week at indian pace of working?
Dr. Kalam got it right, we need self dependency. We have the expertise to develop what we need. Uranium is expensive and trade is very strictly monitored. The answer to our energy needs is not a slave treaty with U.S. but to develop indigenious technology. We still have untapped hydro-energy potential.
RE:Self Reliance is the Key Word
by Vijayan on Oct 24, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
If China can sign the same slave treaty as u call it, why cant India, to get at the highly guarded technology.
Hi! First of all, let me correct the author of this write-up! Mr. Kalam was never the "Father of India's nuclear weapons programme". He had been associated with the Integrated Guided Missiles Programme of the country! Incidentally, only three of the 5 missiles sought to be developed under the programme are operational, the remaining two having been shelved! Even Nag, the much-touted annti-tank missile has not performed to the entire satisfaction of the user, i.e. the Indian Army! However, we indians are prone to hypes in practically every field of life and do not take much to go into a hyperbole! coming back to the topic, thorium has all along been there, waiting to be exploited to its potential but other than occasional noise being made, precious little has been done. The lone fast breeder reactor of the country at Kalapakkam,is by and large still in the developmental stage! When will we wake up and WORK to take our rightful place in the international community!
RE:India should seek nuke self-reliance through thorium: Kalam
by sujeesh narayanan areekara on Oct 24, 2007 10:57 AM Permalink
well said mate...like the treatment given to the T20 champions we over do things and neglect things where immediate action is required.We should change this mob mentality.
RE:RE:India should seek nuke self-reliance through thorium: Kalam
by Mahendra Patel on Oct 24, 2007 11:00 AM Permalink
excellant advise
kalam sahab,
apne kalam kar dikhaya, India should excellerate, thorium research, add more money to this project, stup two to three seperate group doing same research, let them compete to complete to come up with final operational design.Put best scientific minds, Material manufacturing facilities, Money. Lets go for it, If it is proven in theory, than this is question of transforming theory to Practice. Why spend Billions on foreign controlled Fuel supply, which can be turned off any time, why not spend equall or more in Thorium research. Makes big sense, I thought there was canadien company wanted to sell this technology to INDIA, I doubt they had done research on this, If they did might as well pick their brain, nothing wrong in that.
