RE:Deal is not good
by Sharad on Jul 15, 2007 01:31 PM Permalink
Energy is the most important need for Indians to survive meaningfully in the next coming decades. We will have chaos and anarchy in our society, if we can't handle the needs of our EXPLODING POPULATION.
RE:Deal is not good
by Neta Mafia Don on Jul 16, 2007 05:01 PM Permalink
There are better options for fuel. we defenitly have the technology if we can negotiate for uranium with producers like Niger, and other african countries. its not bad as being projected. Its just that we need to give a free hand to our scientists . may be they dont understand the politics of winning a nobel prize, but they are surely capable of it.
RE:RE:RE:Deal is not good
by Mikkey Moouse on Jul 15, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
THERE IS LITTLE OPTION, EITHER SIGN THE DEAL WTH AMERICA OR THE NPT WHICH IS SIGNED BY 196 COUNTRIES, ELSE THE NUCLEAR REACTORS STOP WORKING SOON DUE TO LACK OF FUEL.
BE REALISTIC & DONT CONSIDER THE ADVICE OF LOCAL SCIENTISTS WHO LAST WON A NOBEL PRIZE IN 1930. MOST DEFENCE PROJECTS HAVE FAILED EG. ARJUN TANK, TEJAS FIGHER.
Any shadow falling on India's sovereign laws is not negotiable. Indian laws, as Nehru had envisaged, are meant to last thousands of years and ought to be treated as inviolable.
It is all the more necessary to exercise patience until the realities of India are properly fathomed by the US negotiators and they concur for a honourable deal.
RE:Honourable deal only
by dull roots on Jul 15, 2007 05:33 AM Permalink
As things stand, unless Hyde Act is amended, there is no way the deal can be construed as in consonance with Indian laws.
RE:Honourable deal only
by dull roots on Jul 15, 2007 06:05 PM Permalink
Slight negative publicity Nimitz visit received accross all leading newspaers in India was probably due to forcing issue on identity papers of personnel. Fortunately there was no real damage done. Such dissonance is a natural response to non-compliance with the letter of Indian law on Indian soil. US interests are served in a wholesome manner with a policy for mutual trust in each other's laws. With India, interests and values can easily go hand in hand, if only things can be seen in a commonsensical way. ___Having said this bit too far, time to retreat in this retreat!
THERE IS LITTLE OPTION, EITHER SIGN THE DEAL WTH AMERICA OR THE NPT WHICH IS SIGNED BY 196 COUNTRIES, ELSE THE NUCLEAR REACTORS STOP WORKING SOON DUE TO LACK OF FUEL.
BE REALISTIC & DONT CONSIDER THE ADVICE OF LOCAL SCIENTISTS WHO LAST WON A NOBEL PRIZE IN 1930. MOST DEFENCE PROJECTS HAVE FAILED EG. ARJUN TANK, TEJAS FIGHER.
RE:Honourable deal only
by dull roots on Jul 15, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
What about Brahmos, even the best US cruise missile is subsonic and a class below it. What about Agni missile which is lot more accurate than Minuteman and other US mainstays? LCA aerodynamics and avionics is 100% Indian, engine is from GE. Arjun has been a failure, but with pvt sector participation now opening up, these 'regular technologies' sector shall see a phenomenal quality upgrades in coming years.
RE:RE:Honourable deal only
by dull roots on Jul 15, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
You need to understand that US has been quite IMPOTENT in dealing with Pak-Afgan border. US defence sector is unable to get cost effective bang-for-buck. Soon they will be out-manufactured by China. One option they have is to recognize congruency with Indian legal structure and build civil as well as strategic cooperation.
RE:Honourable deal only
by dull roots on Jul 15, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
Not just 123, NSSP [Next Steps in Strategic Partnership] is also quite crucial for both nations. This accord may transform the current Presidency, heading towards abject failure, to a remarkable turnaround; provided the wisdom to pen an honourable deal prevails.
RE:Honourable deal only
by dull roots on Jul 15, 2007 05:27 PM Permalink
The deal can come through only when US retreat to the line of their limitations. It can come only when thy honour the commitment US Prez made to India on Indian soil. Such retreat is real redemption, if they resort to clever use of words which are perceived as hollow by discerning Indians, it would not be redeeming US democracy. The no holds barred pursuit of interests has made ordinary American citizens unsafe in all those lands where such pursuits were made. Consistent adherence to American values is not mere Wilsonian idealism, as many interlocutors are wont to believe, but bedrock of civil conduct to create terror-free relations.
Get the deal now. The country is starving for energy. Let us grow our industries and become wealthy first. We will worry about nuclear weapons later. We can't use them, even if we build one.
After we master the technology, we can build weapons by ourselves later. Now the urgency is for industrial growth and raising the living standards of more than 1 billion people. Our day to day living needs are more important than the over-rated nuclear weapons.
RE:alliance with america is advantage
by dull roots on Jul 15, 2007 05:55 AM Permalink
Your running down India is misinformed but pardonable except for the last line. The two gracious ladies of Indian origin were US citizens and proud members of US Armed forces. The N-deal as per the Hyde Act is more like a 'neo-colonial' deal and not a nuclear deal. What ever be the internal problems of India, you got to get the message loud and clear- "Bharatvarsh veeron ki maryada karta hain, apna imaan nahin bechata."
RE:alliance with america is advantage
by dull roots on Jul 15, 2007 06:20 AM Permalink
The American jokers piloting the wayward deal ought to realise that a bad deal would hurt Indo-US relations lot more in the long run than no deal. Let them not hype any short-sighted win; anything which will in anyway compromise Indian 'garima'.
RE:RE:alliance with america is advantage
by dull roots on Jul 15, 2007 06:23 AM Permalink
The list of their 'deal friends' is quite impressive - Chairman Mao, Saddam Hussain, Osama Bin Laden, Yahaya Khan, ...
RE:alliance with america is advantage
by dull roots on Jul 15, 2007 06:40 AM Permalink
Indo-US relations is lot more FUNDAMENTAL than reflected in the present format of the N-deal. Though Indian Constitution is based primarily on British model of governance, its written format emulates US Constitution and has a preamble inspired by that of US. It is better that these historical antecedents provide the proper basis for abiding friendship and not any less than honourable N-deal.
RE:alliance with america is advantage
by dull roots on Jul 15, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
Bhagwad Gita speaks about how to give charity, alas it speaks nothing of how to receive charity! US has been a nation of immigrants who grabbed the lands which in no way belonged to them. Now you are silly enough to surrender the rights of Indian-Americans citizens, who are as much American as the European-Americans or African-American, or Asian-Americans to one color only! This is a great disservice to meritocracy that is USA!
RE:long live Hinduism
by achal mehta on Jul 15, 2007 05:56 AM Permalink
I like your idea mate..What steps do you suggest..I think first of all we need to get rid of thr stupid caste system and untouchability we have...So that the lower caste stops converting to Christainity....
