RE:Bring on the UNITY!
by Soundarajan on Aug 30, 2007 02:24 PM Permalink
Developing Nations, UNITE! ASIAN countries must UNITE to survive! DONT be divided by CAPITALOIMPERIALISM!
NEW EAST INDIA INC --> 836 million Indians living on Rs 20 a day is not enough for u .... 15 years of capitalism in India is not enuf ..
See why the CAPITALIST experiment in SOUTH AMERICA FAILED miserably!!!!!!!!! DEVELOPERS have ARISEN again!!!!!!!!
Venezeula was in the dumps till Chavez came .. he has the guts to STAND Up to IMPERIALIST INTREST DEBT SLAVERY ...
RE:RE:Bring on the UNITY!
by Soundarajan on Aug 30, 2007 02:27 PM Permalink
836 million link ----------- http://www.ibnlive.com/news/836-million-indians-live-on-less-than-rs-20-a-day/47645-3.html
Try living on Rs 20 for ONE day .... try healing the broken homes for one day .. try to feel pain of the poor for one day ....
ANyway, 20 Rs is a lot of money .. i can buy jeans, pay off my mothers medical bill, get LIC policy etc. Isnt it?
RE:Bring on the UNITY!
by mr on Aug 30, 2007 06:27 PM Permalink
India earned 1990 to 2007 some decent earning because of open market and globalization. Even communists also earned money because of opening their countries to globalization in communist majority states except North Korea.
RE:Jaago India, Jaago!
by biz Narayan on Aug 30, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
Globalization is more about cultural revolution, communist suffocation and violence.
RE:RE:Jaago India, Jaago!
by Soundarajan on Aug 30, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
INTEREST DEBT Capitalism = NEW EAST INDIA INC --> 836 million Indians living on Rs 20 a day is not enough for u .... 15 years of capitalism in India is not enuf ..
See why the CAPITALIST experiment in SOUTH AMERICA FAILED miserably!!!!!!!!! DEVELOPERS have ARISEN again!!!!!!!!
Venezeula was in the dumps till Chavez came .. he has the guts to STAND Up to IMPERIALIST INTREST DEBT SLAVERY ...
RE:Jaago India, Jaago!
by mr on Aug 30, 2007 06:40 PM Permalink
India earned 1990 to 2007 some decent earning because of open market and globalization. Even communists also earned money because of opening their countries to globalization in communist majority states except North Korea. But communists in India propaganda as anything with west is bad.
Ensure the power brokers, communists, former ambassodors, fools are kept at a distance so as not to pretend people's voice. Don;t bring amartya sen into. Democratic leftists of Indian origin know how to serve dirty information by having controll in news papers. One never read who are these canadian fringes that designed maoists in india. They all stick to theory - instantneous revolution !
Thinking a people, who have legitimate control over the fate of their democracy, often go astray having been misguided one after the other election, and our pundits explain their collective idiocy in seemingly intelligent interpretations. Nuke for Indian election? Even God will not be saved, wht should we say - God may save India!? Wisdom is not for socilistic sharings. Rabi Kanungo Intellectual Forum.
RE:A Novice Proposal
by biz Narayan on Aug 30, 2007 02:01 PM Permalink
It seems Some body has inflicted brain damage on you. "Thinking a people, who have legitimate control over the fate of their democracy..." - Can you cure your pshycological problem by kicking that self advertised Intellectual forum - please.. this is for sake of non0thinking people.
Why this urge and the itch to tie ourselves to this deal?Partly,it is also an outlet for our unrewarded,shabbily treated scientific community in our country.Our nuke and space scientists had become'untouchables' in the last 33 years.The western powers decided to isolate them from mutual interactions,intellectual exchanges,etc.They endured it and accepted the challenge the world imposed on us in the name of halting proliferation.Our bureaucrats and the ruling political class took it as an opportunity to exploit our own scientists by keeping their salaries at subsistence levels.Witness the emoluments of BARC,ISRO,DRDO scientists even to this day and compare them with that of the IAS,IFS babus!They did it gleefully,knowing that these brilliant,ever-striving but unfortunate denizens cannot hope to leave this land!Many scientists have expressed their despire in not being allowed to work to their full potential witihin the country, while at the same time not being able to seek opportunities elsewhere beyong the shores on account of the 'apartheid' practiced against India.This desperation and the insensitivity of our own political masters has finally culminated in submitting to the designs of the US strategists.Now with this deal,the Indian scientists & engineers in space,nuke and other vital and strategic fields become attractive quarry for these growing sectors in the affluent parts of western world!At least they can hope to be respected elsewhere if not honored back home!!
RE:The arduous path away from subservience
by mr on Aug 30, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
We ISRO fine, DRDO is okey, but BARC is very far behind in generation of power.
RE:The arduous path away from subservience
by mr on Aug 30, 2007 12:21 PM Permalink
We enjoying power cut for around 10 to 14 hours, most of the time computers run in UPS or generators. we cannot wait for other means of electiricity.
RE:The arduous path away from subservience
by biz Narayan on Aug 30, 2007 02:10 PM Permalink
Thanks Gorge for yours posts in this thread. It is nice to read them.
RE:RE:The arduous path away from subservience
by mr on Aug 30, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
Right or wrong. There are self-generated messages people comes here & questioning our authority & make us wasting answering their queries other than doing any useful things.
RE:The arduous path away from subservience
by mr on Aug 30, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
I know lot of countries, phone line is connected to the power grid. But in India. How can we wait & watch ourselves diminishing growth & replying to people who created self-generated messages for themselves & trying to give negativity of message in every sphere we venture?
The author's remark "....the assumption that good faith does not exist and that a strategic relationship with the United States, even in the changed world scenario,is harmful". Unfortunately,our diplomats who spend much of their productive lives far beyond the shores in the promised lands in the west,without fail,fall prey to the cliches prevailing in those environs.With this,they end up mouthing those same cliches with absolute conviction without realisng that the nation looks upon them to serve and protect her interest primarily and not come back to voice the urges and demands of the political thinking prevailing in the countries they were accredited to!In the case of the 123-Deal,unfortunately,not one bureaucrat has urged caution and forethought before tying the nation to the moorings of a one-sided deal.Any visitor to US can clearly see how the US economic empire treats the entire world as its subservient appendage.That is the reason that it would permanently want India to be the "receiver" while assigning to the self the role of "giver".This despite the fact that US has not spent a dollar on civil nuke tech development eversince 1978.Its civil nuke R&D infrastructure has virtually collapsed while its weapons programmes have reached frankenstein proportions.The American politics is fuelled solely by its own interests alone in exclusivity.How can anyone win (even mutually) in a deal with the US?Has any one and can anyone ever?Why do we want to kid ourselves?
RE:Unchanging US geo-politics in changed world
by george on Aug 30, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
Although the statement "US has not spent a dollar on civil nuke tech development ever since 1978" is not entirely true, i agree with you.
RE:Unchanging US geo-politics in changed world
by Chakravarthy Muralidhar on Aug 30, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
Yes, you are right George. I meant it figuratively and not literally. Notwithstanding that,the fact is that there was a mass exodus of top notch academics away from the discipline of nuclear science & engineering in universities across US right through the eighties.Besides,admissions to Graduate and research fellow programs in univs were regulated by the government and kept out of bounds to foriegners,especially from Asia.As a result not much talent was groomed leading the struggling professors to abandon the univ labs for positions in defence labs with access to unlimited funds.In fact, significant funds even from the dept of Energy went to weapons tech development rather than civil application developments!!Net result:Not much civil nuke research talent is available in nuke labs (either in universities or in corporate labs)across US today!This fact is giving gitters to the US strategists which have been expressed in think-tank meets,interactions and even in senate hearings!Many strategy analysts and experts have testified that the US civil nuke reasearch sector is woefully short of science and tech manpower with cutting edge knowledge base.These factors too have played a significant role in shaping the 123-Deal,which almost all our experts and strategy analysts seem to have totally discounted.
RE:Unchanging US geo-politics in changed world
by Chakravarthy Muralidhar on Aug 31, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
Look mr,you like to remain shrouded without revealing your identity and then you make convoluted statements like "you are twisting facts with logical assumptions".The truth is that what you temr as "logical assumptions" are REAL,HARD FACTS!And I used those facts to arrive at my surmise.In fact,the surmises are also not mine.Since I don't have the ready references to point at or provide link to (although I have studied each one of the reports myself thoroughly) I chose to conclude my communication as if they were my own surmises. Now what is your defence of the allegation you have made, viz, that I am "twisting the facts"? I am pretty certain, you go even more within your shroud now!!
RE:Pakistan wants a similar deal??????? China Supports it, Why some ill informed Indians oppose it too?
by george on Aug 30, 2007 11:34 AM Permalink
Please name some nulear scientists who has come out in support of the deal. Kalam?
RE:Pakistan wants a similar deal??????? China Supports it, Why some ill informed Indians oppose it too?
by mr on Aug 30, 2007 12:13 PM Permalink
Don't bother about India. Why do you care whether it is accepted by Scientist or not?
RE:Pakistan wants a similar deal??????? China Supports it, Why some ill informed Indians oppose it too?
by george on Aug 30, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
@mr Are You Drunk? or may be you are just Plain Dumb
RE:Pakistan wants a similar deal??????? China Supports it, Why some ill informed Indians oppose it too?
by mr on Aug 30, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
When people comes & give messages for their favor & self-generated messages inducting & repllying them in wasting whole day of my time.
RE:RE:Pakistan wants a similar deal??????? China Supports it, Why some ill informed Indians oppose it too?
by biz Narayan on Aug 30, 2007 02:04 PM Permalink
Why are you wasting time here by replying ?
RE:Pakistan wants a similar deal??????? China Supports it, Why some ill informed Indians oppose it too?
by george on Aug 30, 2007 11:33 AM Permalink
Pakistan has no sovereignty. Its national and international policies are already decided by the US.They have nothing to lose. But thats not the case with India.
Each year, during the Summer months, hundreds of people die of heat, monsoon and floods kills a few more, winter piles its tally. The worst evil in this world is poverty, and the worst torture is to force some one to starve to death. In our country 22% live below poverty line, and hundreds die every year out of poverty. Remember mango kernels and grass. 20 years ago 45% were below the BPL, There weren%u2019t so many News Channels, Industries and Enterprises etc. Who has contributed most to this growth, undoubtedly only one name comes to my mind, our Prime Minister Dr. Man Mohan Singh. Boldly did he usher in the era of Liberalization. Yes, Economic Growth has not reached every corner of this country, but it has made an impact on each one of us directly or indirectly. Y%u2019day I saw Mr. Mukherjee, President CITU arguing that Nuclear Power is only 3% of the Total Power Generated and even after the Nuke Deal it may go up to a maximum of 10% and so it is not worth enough to have a such a deal which gives not much and forces a friendly relationship with the US. Mr. Mukherjee, do you know what impact the 10% Nuclear Power can have on the country%u2019s economy. Ask the people of UP%u2019s cities which witness the worst power cuts (up to 18 hrs a day) or its villages where light has still not reached. What to say of the Left, SEZ at Nandigram or TATA Motors at Singur, is somehow different from SEZ%u2019s elsewhere, PSU disinvestment, FDI in Insurance Sector, Pension and Labor Reforms etc... Etc. The
RE:Nuke Deal Puked
by mr on Aug 30, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
Send some aid or donations as charity if you can. I don't like crying people about my country.
I think that India needs to go on and sign and operationalise the nuclear agreement. This will help it sufficiently meet the power requirements which are the ultimate key to any nations success. Today we have more demand of electricity than we can generate. Why dont people think that until and unless we become self sufficient in these areas, we cannot progress. What are the left parties upto.. they still are having the same stone age mentality.. wherever they are in power, the industries are suffering because of their policies. I think it is in the nations interest to go ahead with the deal. All Indians should vote for this and make the deal a possibility. There is no harm in this and also, India would join a select club of such nations who would be recognised as a nuclear super power. Come on Indians.. let us march ahead.
