I do not understand why does everyone feel so proud when any military acheivement is highlighted.. We already have the nuclear missiles.. Look at the ammount of time and money which would have been wasted in developing this show piece missile.. Let me warn all so proud Indians that if India were to go on a full scale war with US or China all the army might is going to get washed out in a weeks time.. We can only flex our muscles over Pakistan because we have been taught to hate that nation.. Grow up people.. I dont think anyone would be interested in ruling a chaotic country like India.. There are far more important problems like social security to be addressed rather than feeding more n more money into the army..
RE:How does this help the common man ?
by on Apr 22, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.
- Said by Sun Tzu on the Art of War.
In addition, I feel that defense is more of a psychological game, where the more you portray yourself as a stronger state the more you are respected or considered in any global decisions and the less susceptible you are to any foreign attacks. Ofcourse, as long as the world understand that these are for defending and not for offense.
RE:How does this help the common man ?
by Jatindra Deo on Apr 23, 2007 01:24 AM Permalink
@mryogi the fundamental question is there needs to be a society to have social security....if u get wiped out off the face of earth, why the hell do we need social security....give it a thought....onthe flip side do u in your wildest dreams know what is supersonic subsonic and ultrasonic speeds,whats a stealth system whats a cruise and a ballastic missile ,do u have an iota of idea what are the latest futureistic technologies in warfare.......do u have a faint idea about what that nuclear missile u are chanting about is made up of .....what a deterence is .....wars will be won or lost is a different thing but losers like u will make all this hard work twoards our integrity and safety look like a lost cause....go back n comment on ash abhi marraige ,a kind of subject on which morons like u should me intrested....
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by sa on Apr 23, 2007 01:48 AM Permalink
Dear Mr. Yogi , the nuclear bomb you mentioned also needs a missile to deliver it to a target. Unless you were thinking of carrying it on your shoulders.LOL
RE:How does this help the common man ?
by Steve Andrews on Apr 22, 2007 09:35 PM Permalink
Idiot Americans are not able to beat Iraqis so far, forget about India. India has won most of the wars it has fought.
RE:How does this help the common man ?
by Vimala S on Apr 22, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
Yogiji, America told England that God has told America to invade Iraq!!! would you blame god or expect America to take the responsibility?
RE:How does this help the common man ?
by RAGHAVENDRA GAONKAR on Apr 22, 2007 10:04 PM Permalink
If u even imagine our nation will get washed in war with US or china, u better get washed away from this country right now. Do you know how many thousands of people in this nation are employed because of this kind of programme, even I am one of them, this kind of programme gives bread, water, shelter and cloth to thousands of INDIANS and also protects our nation from enemy. Come out of ur blind imagination and thinking, if we donot show our power to world next day morning there will be war on nation. Why do u wear cloths and shoes, just for your body protection, why do you wear costly cloth material or only leather wears, why not u can wear a leaf or a paper around you and walk on the street even this will protect you. It is your responsibility to protect our nation from getting washed away from enemies, instead, your dreaming of these things. Pakistan is not our enemy, people like you think that "we are taught to hate that nation". You think pakistan is so silly in mil power, it has got all sorts of advanced weapons. We have to join hands with PAK and build a super power in Asia Pacific. Try to be passionate towards defense achievements.
RE:How does this help the common man ?
by rishi on Apr 22, 2007 09:06 PM Permalink
yogi.. read your history. thankfully you are not India's leader. Defence is an integral part of a nations developmental process...may not be the only part, but is a important part.
RE:How does this help the common man ?
by n pai on Apr 22, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
Mr Yogi, I am yet to come across a pessimist as yourself.Your ideas about our military establishment is somewhat warped.Please check up your facts before you go public.As far as nation bashing is concerned, we are NOT taught to hate Pakistan or any other nation.I wonder where you received this education,I am very curious.As a country we are on the path to progress, and military expenditure is the price we have to pay for preserving this momentum.
RE:How does this help the common man ?
by RajaSekhar Bondada on Apr 22, 2007 10:51 PM Permalink
Yogi - Go to the himalayas...Why will any sane country attack India..Defence is an integral part of democratic governance...it is a pity you have such a poor understanding of our military prowess. did u hear the article where our pilots amazed the americans in a friendly exercise...please refrain from your thougtless, self defeating posts
RE:How does this help the common man ?
by neha tiwari on Apr 22, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
Hi,
U need to study concept of deterrence deeply. It is deterrence, mind of politicians and bravery of Indian Army, that we have protected Kargil without use of nuclear weapons and without crossing even LOC. If we dont build these things, india would be attacked instantly by china and pakistan. We r now even devweloping our capacity to detter china. Sucessful use of Agni III demostrate this.
RE:How does this help the common man ?
by amit kaplish on Apr 23, 2007 12:20 AM Permalink
war cannot be faught by pen and paper. power is needed and i dont feel any mistake in building our war capabilities. those who still think that india can be defeated easily are simply uneducated. today no country dares to attack on india. mr. yogi go and sit inside your home and locked your door and dont get beaten by your neighbour every time u coward.
RE:How does this help the common man ?
by jet on Apr 22, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
Yogi, u r a biggest idiot who just look at one side. U said in a war with US and China our army will get washed in weeks, So we should be like that for ever..?China defeated India in 1962, can they do same thing now. they will think twice before going to war with India because of our increase in military strength. I idiot understand that with out security there will be no country. U idiot understand that living with one day meal in a free country is better than living as a slave with 3 day meal. Our military development is for the protection of the country. Just f**k off from here u coward.
Reality Check: Pakis have killed more indians in the last 15 years. Thanks to UPA pilocoes, they can strike anywhere anytime today. We need more than a missile. We need a government that really cares about the Indian interests and a military that is free to make decisions. We need a change, a major change!!!!!
RE:Congratulations DRDO
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 22, 2007 08:22 PM Permalink
Sam, I wish you will get the sagacity to look at the reality as it truly is. Neo-Colonials (read US) derailed civil and secular democracy in Pakistan and foisted military rulership. They then created the terro infrastructure for cold war machinations to dismember USSR, where they succeeded and weaken India, where they failed miserably. The Indian response was to seek frinedship with USSR and BrahMos is an offshoot of this cooperation. Now BrahMos is supersonic while the best US cruise missile is only subsonic. As the Indian motto goes, Satamevajayate (Truth motivates our best faculties to fashion victory)
RE:Congratulations DRDO
by kraft on Apr 22, 2007 08:57 PM Permalink
Please correct your perceptions first. Since when in History did Pakistan have anything called Democracy?Dont try to confuse SAM by your outmoded coldwar rhetorics of people like Karat and Yechury. SAM has a very valid point which you want to whitewash. The greatest enemy for this country is Corruption and votebank Politics which UPA and the Left personify 100%.Pl dont confuse the people.
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by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 22, 2007 09:36 PM Permalink
Let us never forget that on Kashmir issue US has consistenetly supported Pakistan. Indian situation becmae so vulnerable that India had no option but to 'tilt' its non-alignment to get the USSR veto for kashmir, the only nation which stood steadfast on Kashmir with India right through 1960's and 1970's.
RE:Congratulations DRDO
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 22, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
"The greatest enemy for this country is Corruption ", Greatly appreciate this statement, however Votebank politics exists everywhere including US. There are many causal factors for corruption, the most critical factor has been the falling purchasing power. You can work in 7-11 in US earn a decent salary and even maintain a small car. Such work fetches a pittance in India. Average productivity in US is 20 times higer, and productivity as you know is directly linked to per capita energy consumption. And energy equations in Middle-East and blocking of India from cheap oil access by creating Paksitan is what geo-politics has been all about. In the current era the equations are extending beyond oil-equations to civil nuclear-energy equations. In this context it makes eminent sense for India-US and other nations to work together. But the old cold-war hangovers in US are not over yet. One hopes that good sense, self interest and political wisdom will prevail.
RE:Congratulations DRDO
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 22, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
kraft, Pakistan was founded as a civl secular democratic state by Jinnah. Its first secular PM was murdered by mercenaries. You probably have not heard of CENTO, SEATO, Sabre Jets, Star Fighters, Patton Tanks or F-16s. May be you have not heard of intelli-station Peshawar which was founded to create the so called 'jehadi infrastucture' combining psy-war training with terror tactics. You are probably not aware that ISI was created and trained by CIA with specific objectives which it has 'gloriously' fulfilled. As the American saying goes, 'human nature can not bear too much of reality' specially a weak nature easily relapses into denial mode and see only red where there exists seven colours.
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by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 22, 2007 09:33 PM Permalink
Look at the incidents after Kargil. The Pakistani PM who won the mandate on the basis of 'friendship with India', which led to Lahore Yatra was thrown out and the instigator of Kargil richly rewarded with 'rajgaddi'. Later Colin Powel visited India,but said nothing, then went to Pakistan and made it a 'NATO-partner'. Pakistani was declared as a 'front-line' state fighting against terrorism. The historical fact is that Sino-US-Pak axis have been using Pakistan as a frontline state FOR terrorism for over two decades. Now Pressler amendment has also been discarded and Pak rewarded with F-16s, and more critical for India, 'depeleted Uranium' shells for their tanks which will easily pierce any Indian armour.
RE:Congratulations DRDO
by Vimala S on Apr 22, 2007 08:44 PM Permalink
When one has money one buys Rice to run the family. Incase it is absent, he starts saying Hari and Shiva. This is like that. However we have got to admit that the Indian Scientists have done a great job!!! I appreciate and congradulate, even if I get chest pain.
RE:Congratulations DRDO
by Vimala S on Apr 22, 2007 09:04 PM Permalink
Pakistan is a rotton Rat which is spoiling the world by still continuing with terrorism!!! They have to announced as the TERRORIST COUNTRY in the world arena. Hiding Bin ladan at the back yard, speaking good in public, taking China's consultancy to go against with India, lending grounds for America's military base. I do not how much yet the rat is going to spoil the building !!! More over it was our land, what they got by crooked methods, ditching our Gandhiji at the last stage! Violating the agreement with Gandhiji, Jinna went to talk with the British. Even today they constantly rub us, either with war or nuclear threat or even incase there is not any outspoken point araise, they rub us with terrorism, which is a bad fire that set and still nurtured by Pakistan!! It is not really good for America to be seen with Pakistan. But I hope OUR American freinds would not mind to be seen with Pakistan, as America too was employing terrorist inorder to spoil Russia, using Bin ladan and Taliban. Today Americans are shouting at Bin Ladan, killing innocent people, having affairs with Pakistan, even a military base there, and not getting Bin Ladan, who is very much hiding inside the Pakistan!!! What morality America has! We have been sufferring for so many years with this Pak menace. Whenever we complained America used to pretend as if they did not hear!!! But when Bin ladan took the twin city, America got much more alarmed and it has still not stopped weeping in the world's front stage.
But we will continue to do our nuclear testings!!! Incase America does not lift the financial sanctions, we really do not have other ways but to become America's rival and sell weopen to balance our economy.
We still have much more in our pipeline. It is better for these two to realise our potential, atleast now for it is said that better late than never. Fighting and charging will never work with us. If an arm is extented for friendship, we too will return it gracefully. Rubbing on the wrong side will be off no use with us the Indian Lions. THANKS TO RUSSIA!! VANDE MATHARAM!!!
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by Yaqoot Mir on Apr 22, 2007 11:39 PM Permalink
Pakistan a rotten rat? listen mister, when Pakistan was supporting the 50% X Mujahideen in Aghanistan by the way these Mujahideen have been hatched and incubated by the US itself not Pakistan we were merely trying to keep them away from our country bu nurturing a hatchery for them in Afghanistan ) where were the other 50% that fought the Russians? do you know? Ahmad Shah Masood, Abdullah Abdullah were once fighting shoulder with shoulder against teh Russians with the TALIBAN, teh other 50% were being provided all kinds of help by 3 countries INDIA, IRAN and RUSSIA? so if Pakistan is a rotten rat then INDIA, RUSSIA and IRAN are also rotten rats, The Northern Alliance is the second side of the SAME coin so lets not get into this propoganda against Pakistan buddy, you are also buying into the media reports just like your big brothers in the government, check your facts, whatever Pakistan did in the past, India is doing even now in Afghanistan but since you are now entrenched there its now OK. FARCES like this are exactly what the west depends on keep our countries far apart and reduce cooperation while their capitalist system nurtures, grow up and we should stop doing this, by the way not too long ago, India claimed Pakistan based militants were behind the smjohta express blast and they would provife proof where is it? see what I mean, India is pulling the US line now, and Pakistan sits on the fringe, when the US leaces trust me the Taliban will again overthrow this lame government and we will be back to square-ONE then the blame game will start again.
RE:From New Delhi To Washington
by Raj on Apr 23, 2007 12:16 AM Permalink
Not correct. 24000km range missile will go round the world and fall on India itself!!. 12000 will do
RE:From New Delhi To Washington
by sa on Apr 23, 2007 02:02 AM Permalink
what? larn from nabour. may you not right stinky arab, our nabour only send terrorist not missile, missile they have is stolen design with begged spare parts.
HEARTY CONGRATS TO ALL OF YOU WHO DIRECTLY INDIRECTLY INVOLVED IN MAKING SUCCESS STORY OF BRAMHOS.SAALAM TO THOSE WHO ARE IN FRONT AS WELL WHO ARE AT BACKSTAGE .
I regret that India's military/govt setup is the most wierd I have ever seen, which makes the military useless. The military takes orders from the government. Its like a Lion taking order from a Donkey. Free our Lions. Let the Indian Military become independent like the USA. Free the military!!!!
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by Sanjay Rao on Apr 22, 2007 08:02 PM Permalink
You must be out of your mind. There is no military in the world that is not under govt. control. Military is govt and govt is military. I think you have to brush up your basics before making such stupid comments
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by Sam on Apr 22, 2007 08:15 PM Permalink
Sanjay Rao: In USA Military is independent of government when it comes to taking decisions. In India, the govt. controls the military completely.In Indian, as per the law, the 3 leaders (army, navy,airfirce) cannot meet in a room. They can only communicate via the government. This is rediculous.
RE:Indian military
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 22, 2007 08:13 PM Permalink
When military is freed from civil control, it no more remains a military, it becomes a militia or a grotesque form like we see in Pakistan an intrument of foreign control. After all military has got to feed, to pay for its families, and retirees. Where will the money come from? India is a civil secular nation with Constitutional democracy, thank your stars for our politicians who enabled this for you with responsible though overstretched governance. The politicians even give you the right to abuse them! Try this in a nation where politicians do the dadagiri like Pakistan or China!
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by Sam on Apr 22, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
Ramesh Nittoor: true, buts that is another extreme. I mean going to the middle, not extreme, like USA.
RE:Indian military
by Vimala S on Apr 22, 2007 08:33 PM Permalink
Sam, we have a capable lion , which understands th e nature and it is really not a donkey as you think. Kindly do not add to my BP by usining such comments.
RE:Indian military
by guru prasanna on Apr 22, 2007 09:40 PM Permalink
So pitty sam that u dont know how to celebrate the success of ur own nation ... r u an Indian? DRDO is an esteemed org and Indian military is well versed in all kind of war footing (Eg : Kargil war) ... and both belongs to GOV OF India.. and not a naxallite or terrorist org ... Comeon dude grow up ....
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by Raj on Apr 23, 2007 12:21 AM Permalink
Guru know nothing about DRDO. Have you been there?. Your understanding may be only from News !!. India need to privatise defence manyfacturing and development. DRDO is of no much mostly wasting tax payers money.
RE:JOB WELL DONE!!!!
by Vimala S on Apr 22, 2007 08:35 PM Permalink
NEVER DO THAT UMA SHANKAR!!! YOU WILL AGAIN END IN FAILURE. BECAUSE INDIA IS NOT COMPARABLE. IT IS UNIQUE!!!
RE:JOB WELL DONE!!!!
by UmaShankar SathyaKumar on Apr 22, 2007 09:04 PM Permalink
I would say when I say that we need to compare India with US,UK and so on... It doesn't mean comparing a road in New York and a road in Delhi.....
India is not unique yet...need to be made UNIQUE by all of us....
Thats true, but if you notice in the last 15 years, the Pakis have killed more Indians than the indiands kill pakis. Paki terrorists can strike anywhere in India today. I think India needs to stop playing big and need to look at its weakness. India's biggest weakness is its divided government and the military that reports to it. Free Military!!
RE:Indian military
by on Apr 22, 2007 08:37 PM Permalink
just strtagy blow up paki navy in a day, chok thair ports then dialoag with them by ours terms.
Indian scientists including respected President Kalam did a great job and justice with Agni and Brahma missile. Really proud of it. It should inspire the corrupt people of India to work hard.
RE:India develop weapons to defend ourselves, let paki develop to destroy themselves. Simple
by Sam on Apr 22, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
Thata true, but if you notice in the last 15 years, the Pakis have killed more Indians than the indiands kill pakis. Paki terrorists can strike anywhere in India today. I think India needs to stop playing big and need to look at its weakness. India's biggest weakness is its divided government and the military that reports to it. Free Military!!
RE:India develop weapons to defend ourselves, let paki develop to destroy themselves. Simple
by hi on Apr 22, 2007 07:48 PM Permalink
You mean terrorize pakistan, the same way like paki did to India?
RE:India develop weapons to defend ourselves, let paki develop to destroy themselves. Simple
by on Apr 22, 2007 08:25 PM Permalink
yes we must shuffle pak in three pieses and make them poore, indian dipident like bager.
RE:India develop weapons to defend ourselves, let paki develop to destroy themselves. Simple
by Vimala S on Apr 22, 2007 08:39 PM Permalink
Never dream of this that way guys!!! India is India always!!! We will never loose our sovergnity.
RE:India develop weapons to defend ourselves, let paki develop to destroy themselves. Simple
by hi on Apr 22, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
Congradulations DRDO, I never leave DRDO, even if the salary is enough for my basic necessity. I am proud of you DRDO. Keep up the good work.
