Here is the translation of our National Anthem. I am not sure if it is praising India or the ruler of India
Thou art the ruler of the minds of all people, dispenser of India's destiny. Thy name rouses the hearts of Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat, the Maratha country, in the Dravida country, Utkala (Orissa) and Bengal; It echoes in the hills of the Vindhyas and Himalayas, it mingles in the rhapsodies of the pure waters Jamuna and the Ganges. They chant only thy name, they seek only thy blessings, They sing only thy praise. The saving of all people waits in thy hand, thou dispenser of India's destiny. Victory, Victory, Victory, Victory to thee.
All you idiots who support Murthy are ignorant fools.THis is not about apologising and letting him go. As a responsible and famous citizen of India he shd have acted proper. WHAT HE DID WAS FOREIGN APPEASEMENT WHICH IS WRONG. There are croks and others in this country who deserve more and go away scott free but this apeasement policy is like going back to COLONIOL TIMES.So he set a very bad example. Imagine you an educated indian going abroad to Uganda or China or the USA for a job. Imagine the local employees singing their national anthem. How would you feel being an EDUCATED indian?Nothing right ? In fact you would appreciate their culture. But our Mr.Murthy feels that an Educated foreignr would feel embarassed when they hear the national anthem of the host country they live in. Mr. Murthy you have erred in your judgement. You have lost the moral right to preach. So dose your wife. I now assume that Mr.Murthy would have felt sick in his stomach when he listened to people singing the national anthem of their countires while he was touring so he did the instrumental version at his home country to eduate the ignorant firangi's.
RE:RE:He deserves it
by R K on Apr 14, 2007 02:52 AM Permalink
The politician may be a idiot or a crook but he will think twice before uttering something stupid about the national anthem. This clearly shows that he at least has some fear in his heart for the song. ok tell me one politician oer the last 60 years who has insulted the national anthem Crook or otherwise you smart a%%
RE:He deserves it
by hi on Apr 14, 2007 02:42 AM Permalink
Idiot just read what that politician telling w/o minding about the people. He can talk patriotically, but emotionally is not allowed.
None of them are wrong. Murthy was present at the evnet and he knew what to do and what not. It was his right and he is matured enough to understand what to do and what not too. Why the hell everybody is botherd. All of you shut your mouth and do ur business. Do not waste time by discuss crap stuff. If you really respect our country show it in action and not idiotically by wasting time like this. Cheap politicians and business guys are growing and making good money. What the hell r u doin??? just giving sugesstion. Shut all you mouth and start working !! come to a level and then open you mouth.
RE:Murthy or India
by Subbu on Apr 14, 2007 02:40 AM Permalink
Hi...better you shut up. National Anthem is meant for every citizen and any poor guy has got rights to question a guy criticizing about National Anthem. Having said that, keep aside the political stunt and what Moorthy has done to Indian IT. I totally agree that he has done tremendous job. But it doesn't mean everyone should shut their mouth. Do you think in any other country will they change the way their Anthem is sung just for the sake of delegates? Here we are not even talking about delegates to our country, they are delegates to his company...remember this you fool
RE:Murthy or India
by Indian Students on Apr 14, 2007 02:46 AM Permalink
Subbu Said: Do you think in any other country will they change the way their Anthem is sung just for the sake of delegates?
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This is funny, anyone who does not know Hindi in South India, don%u2019t know a single word in the national anthem. What are you going to do teach them Hindi?
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RE:Murthy or India
by Subbu on Apr 14, 2007 02:50 AM Permalink
Hello..boss...Those days have gone...Now almost 1 in 3 fellows in south india knows Hindi. I myself has passed Praveen Poorvarth in Hindi...Don't ever under estimate anyone...OK... BTW, atleast we south indians are accepting and changing..what about North Indians...are you ready to learn any south Indian language??? Anyway, I am not for this controversy. Since you asked I am bringing this point. BTW, language is meant only for easier communication between two humans..and not to put barriers between the two...there is nothing more about it...realize that first.
RE:Murthy or India
by Indian Students on Apr 14, 2007 02:57 AM Permalink
If you give so much importance to national anthem then you should make sure that every citizen has a chance to understand what it means. 1 in 3 maybe in Chennai, go to the rural parts of TN, they are still farming and don%u2019t have the time to learn a new language.
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RE:RE:Murthy or India
by Subbu on Apr 14, 2007 03:15 AM Permalink
Hare bhudhu...South India is not just Chennai...Karnataka, Andhra, kerela...are also part of South India...better read History/Geography well...you Student...Shame on you to say "Indian Student"
RE:Murthy or India
by Subbu on Apr 14, 2007 03:10 AM Permalink
I think we better stop here. Realize the fact that everyone agreed to keep the Anthem in Hindi, though it's a version taken out from Bengali. Atleast in that way the freedom fighters/leaders would have thought we will be united by one single song. Better, you don't talk whether someone has understood it or not. Anthem is meant for uniting people mind, increasing the spirit/fire to have a single free country. Let me put it this way...even a guy who is born and bought at North India..and just know to speak Hindi...will not understand the phrases of our Anthem...Agreed!!
RE:Murthy or India
by semerevere on Apr 14, 2007 03:01 AM Permalink
Hello Nameless Whether we know the full hindi or not...we know the meaning of our national anthem. Shut ur natural orifices
RE:RE:Murthy or India
by Indian Students on Apr 14, 2007 03:06 AM Permalink
You does not mean the whole of India, it is good to know that you know the meaning, go to the rural India and try to find out what they know. Here is some statistics from World Bank http://devdata.worldbank.org/edstats/SummaryEducationProfiles/CountryData/GetShowData.asp?sCtry=IND,India
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RE:Murthy or India
by Subbu on Apr 14, 2007 03:23 AM Permalink
We are not taking any census here and what the hell are you going to do..now...after reading the stats. You are just going to mind your own business....if you are ready to make everyone understand Anthem....then it's worth to take census...we are talking about someone breaching our culture/tradition/integrity and not about who knows Hindi..who can teach Hindi... You are such a useless fellow....not understanding what this topic is all about...
Subbu Wrote: We are not taking any census here and what the hell are you going to do..now...after reading the stats.
When you cite statistics that means it is truth otherwise it is just your imagination. Probably you don%u2019t know the difference between fact and fiction. If you not able to backup what you say dont go bonkers.
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RE:Murthy or India by Subbu on Apr 14, 2007 03:10 AM I think we better stop here. Realize the fact that everyone agreed to keep the Anthem in Hindi, though it's a version taken out from Bengali. Atleast in that way the freedom fighters/leaders would have thought we will be united by one single song. Better, you don't talk whether someone has understood it or not. Anthem is meant for uniting people mind, increasing the spirit/fire to have a single free country. Let me put it this way...even a guy who is born and bought at North India..and just know to speak Hindi...will not understand the phrases of our Anthem...Why the heck are you diverting the topic...and pulling others leg...
Subbu Wrote: think we better stop here. Realize the fact that everyone agreed to keep the Anthem in Hindi,
Who is everyone? The bottom-line is Indian government has never made an tempt make sure that its citizen understood what the national anthem means, and BTW the so called people also made an attempt to teach every south Indian Hindi and we all know the end result.
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by Subbu on Apr 14, 2007 03:27 AM Permalink
Indian Student Wrote:BTW the so called people also made an attempt to teach every south Indian Hindi
It's right for any individual to speak/learn language he prefers...Mind you still all south indians are singing Anthem in Hindi only..and not in their own language...Again I am saying, we are not talking about Hindi...we are talking about Anthem. You are not the guy to decide whether only guys who knows hindi can sing Anthem and can talk about it...Mind you.
Plyaing instrumental version of National anthem is not crime. Even though I am Indian, I don't understand this Bengali song, I will be singing just for sake of singing thats all. NRN's comments were not justifiable but he has already apologised for that, so we should let him go.
During Aug 15th a lot of public throw away national flags made of paper, plastic and nylon on the street and dispose them in the garbage, why dont police book case against them?
There are a lot of criminals in Govt, why dont the Police should book case against them?
Regsitering a case against one of the greatest son of mother India, narayana Murthy substantiates the facts that Indian politicians are out to damage the great personalities who has great love for the country and have dome great service to the nations! All patriots must be at the side of NM this time and be ready to slap on the faces of politicians who are pseudo-patriots. These nasty people were sleeping when many muslim mullahs and their supporters dared not to recite Vande Mataram. Let us all split on their faces and kick at their backs, and surely worship great Indian heros like Narayana Murthy!!
RE:An example of dirty job of dirty politicians and their pets
by SteeveB on Apr 14, 2007 02:36 AM Permalink
Mr. Rajkumar. please reply if your last name is really singh. I believe you are south indian and only being over-emotional. Mr. Murthy is hardcore capitalist. He is only son of money. I happened to see his interview on CNN-IBN, he was more pathetic than even US govt. Sitting here USA, these things do not touch me. But as a person of Indian Origin, I truly believe that he should be punished to maximum extent of law if found guilty. Btw, national anthem of any country deserves respect.
RE:An example of dirty job of dirty politicians and their pets
by Subbu on Apr 14, 2007 03:41 AM Permalink
I personally, feel if there is any South Indian reading any message of a kind demoralizing our individuality lets Report that persons message as Abuse...after many abuses against that person..he will be kicked out of posting messages. Damn these guys who unnecessarily create issues and pull others leg...create disputes within Indians.
RE:Please support NRN
by semerevere on Apr 14, 2007 02:33 AM Permalink
Oh! Sonia..Soniaa... NRN means bussiness...Infosys means boasting as the only Indian company...Everything is stunt...
RE:Please support NRN
by SHAM SUNDER on Apr 14, 2007 02:34 AM Permalink
Infosys is a BIG BODY SHOP company No innovation .. Good Company ..BIG company ..all these terms are Marketing terms and ..Share market terms... But money wise ..Turn over wise ..It is the BIGGEST Body shop company compare ti WIPRO & TCS ...
No doubt he is a good businees man but Narayana Murthy's remarks on the national anthem are act of racism and disrespect to the Nation. Converting the National Anthm might be one of marketing policies to please WHITE SKIN or it colud be a Joke for him But many who had given their lives to keep Nation intact this is a matter of disrespect, It is pointed out by the President of Nation we should respect it. Narayana Murthy knows his mistake that is why he apologized. His apology to the Nation does not make him Small.. he is not above the Nation
RE:Nation is above everything
by Indian Students on Apr 14, 2007 02:53 AM Permalink
LOL in south India most of them don%u2019t know Hindi and no one cares about the national anthem meaning they don%u2019t know the words so they don%u2019t know what it means that does not mean they disrespect the national anthem and what has the government done about this problem? Have they translated the national anthem in all the Indian languages ?
RE:Nation is above everything
by Subbu on Apr 14, 2007 03:44 AM Permalink
I personally, feel if there is any South Indian reading any message of a kind demoralizing our individuality lets Report that persons message as Abuse...after many abuses against that person..he will be kicked out of posting messages. Damn these guys who unnecessarily create issues and pull others leg...create disputes within Indians.
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by Subbu on Apr 14, 2007 03:45 AM Permalink
personally, feel if there is any South Indian reading any message of a kind demoralizing our individuality lets Report that persons message as Abuse...after many abuses against that person..he will be kicked out of posting messages. Damn these guys who unnecessarily create issues and pull others leg...create disputes within Indians.
RE:Nation is above everything
by Bill on Apr 14, 2007 03:00 AM Permalink
NRN is not an elected representative, he is not an armed forces officer, he is not a beauraucrat, he does nor represent the nation and he is not a leader. His choice of words are his personal matter. If a homeless urchin libels the national flag or anthem on the streets, none of you would care to even interfere, would you? Why would you then when someone like NRN does it, he does nor represent you nor the nation. Mind your own business. And its definitely not a question of north vs. south, hindi vs. english, bengali vs. kannada or whatever nonsense you want to attribute to it.
And yes, he is an achiever, I salute him for whatever he's achieved, things that all you (and me) have not even attempted.
RE:RE:Nation is above everything
by anuj sharma on Apr 14, 2007 03:06 AM Permalink
I agree with you, but at the same time with knowledge, success and stature comes a responsibility. A man of such stature should make sure that he does not do or say things that are inappropriate. He has apologized and thats about it. This chapter shall be closed.
RE:Nation is above everything
by SHAM SUNDER on Apr 14, 2007 03:07 AM Permalink
India is only country where you can say that becuase constitution gives freedom ... His choice of words could be anything but he cannot tell foreigners this our National Anthem ...He is not begger on the road..He is leading few people like you ..who can blindly follow him for anyhting he says and sings ... He do represents institutions like IIM ..where BIG shots of the country comes out and when President to go to him so he is big person and people salute him ..He must watch his actions
well in numerous forums I have been talking about this pseudo-hypocrite NRN and now he has shown his real self, some points which you Software typists need to understand before you make NRN as god. One thing you need to realize that he is making money with Infosys, there is no philanthropy involved.
1. The man who talks big things didn't allow his wife to work stating it's either her or him who is working 2. The man said that he couldn't join IIT becuase of fees issues and his time the fees was absymally low in IIT. (Undergraduate) 3. Then he increased fees in IIM's satting that students should pay more if they earn more. Point to realize a peson who according to him was deprived of education because of fes issue does this. (the point here is not on what the fees should be). This is when IIM.s A,B, C are in huge surplus.
4. He was a thorough communist before he turned into a capitalist. Tha man of ideology, indeed.
5. A single rupee donated by Infosys comes as NRn donates money or this that so full publicity stunt, the money is shareholders money and a llot of it goes to sudha murthy foundation may I ask why. More publicity isn't it.
7. the working conditions in Infosys, the long hours what perentage of the people leave at 5 in the evening. Please let me know 6. Now the Anthem issue, nothing needs to be said here.
Now all the pseudo intellects of the country should we make him president now.
My 2 cents on the issue. comments are more than welcome, but think before you write.
RE:Realty of NRN
by Niranjan Halady on Apr 14, 2007 03:37 AM Permalink
Mr Kapoor, You seem to be determined to defame Mr Murthy. You need some education on the facts. I advise you to think 100 times before you try to write something about a diginified personality like Murthy. Let me answer your points: 1. Do some home work before you write. He never said, his wife should not work. All he said was only one of them should work at Infosys. He is a man of great integrity. It is understandable that he didn't want either of them favouring each other in the company. 2. Yes. it was a fact. His father could not affort do pay Rs.75. He was a school teacher in 60s. 3. He was against reducing IIM fees to 30000, because it does anyway help poor. Alternatively, (you can still find the news report in google), he recommended having scholarships for poor students to cover the fees. Again, do your home work. IIMs were spending 4 lakhs per student, but charging 1.5 lakhs (at the time this issue came up)on each student. 2.5lakhs per student was paid for by taxpayer ! Isn't it ridiculous. You expect a taxpayer like me to pay for your IIM education, so that you take up $150,000 job in the US or join some multinational company in India ? Grow up man ! 4. He was a communist. He learnt the hard way how communism can impact people (train incident). Very few people learn as they grow. Give him the credit for it. 5. This is a false allegation. You can be sued for it. Sudha murthy looks after Infosys foundation, not sudha murthy foundation for your information. Whatever infosys donates, it goes thru Infosys foundation. 7. I am not sure if you are in IT industry. IT engineers are paid unreasonably high salaries.When you are paid high, you are expected to contribute. This is true in any high paying job. Nobody asks you to stay beyond 5. People stay for their own future benefits - some people do, because they cant meet the expectations, but still want high pay. This is true with any s/w company. 6. This is like Vajapayee speaking in Hindi in UN, though he can speak in English. I am not saying it is right. But dont be fanatic about language. Language is for communication. In Murthy's case, obviously he knew that his guests wont understand, if he plays national anthem in an indian language. It is just another way of looking it. He just wanted to treat his guests with respect.
I guess, people are trying to gain cheap publicity by criticising an eminent personality, while ignoring his tremendous contributions to the growth of India. IT industry is driving India's growth today. Understand it and learn to credit people for what they are worth.
RE:Realty of NRN
by Bill on Apr 14, 2007 03:04 AM Permalink
Whether he makes money, what he does with it, philanthropy or otherwise, what he lets his wife do, his political history is entirely his business and his discretion. You people always seem to know what others should and should not do with their money and time.
RE:Realty of NRN
by Manoj on Apr 14, 2007 02:47 AM Permalink
Totally agree to you post...
Also I would like to add one point to those who say he created thousands of jobs. Those thousands would have been working in Wipro, TCS, Sathyam or any other software companies that benefit from outsourcing.
RE:Realty of NRN
by jayesh thakkar on Apr 14, 2007 02:12 AM Permalink
I dont agree with 1st point!! he didnt say his wife SHOULD NOT WORK. He said either she or he should work.. THe reason is quite simple to understand man.. if u want a good/balanced family and you kid to learn and spend time with them (MInd you only parents can be best teacher and they have much more emotional bond with kid then any one else in the world) then one should stay home. I agree to rest of the points u said
