Business, Business, Business, every field is grabbed by the Business. Now it was the time for nuclear deal. The issue made by US-President-Bush to Indo-PM-ManmohanSingh is the nuclear Business. Give one take one Service.
Politicians who have never asked the country to go nuclear are now crying foul of a deal applauded not by U S but U S S R ,China ,France ,Japan & Australia.These countries will have the chance to trade with India.After the deal also more than 25% of Uranium purchase will be from not America,but Communist Russia.India had a defense deal with Communist Soviets.What India needs now is not bomb,we have enough,but the infrastructure like power. If enough power generation is provided in the country the country will grow & may fulfil the Vision of Mr Abdul Kalam & Mr Manmohan singh of attaining the Economic super power status by 2020. The nuclear deal will be the best gift to the next generation.Don't give food & shelter but give atleast infrastructure .The people will take care of themselves.But the politicians will not allow it because they are well taken care off . Shekhar
RE:Indo U S Nucl Deal
by Reporter on Jul 11, 2008 05:15 PM Permalink
u r wrong. it will be the worst gift to the future generation. we will make nuclear plants and use it and future generations will have to deal with the nuclear waste .
See the news in bbc website today. It's regarding the decommissioning of one of their nuclear plants at Sellafield.
'' Group up for £17bn Sellafield job
A consortium, including the UK's Amec, has been named as the government's preferred choice to clean up and run the Sellafield nuclear site in Cumbria.
The £1.3bn a year contract could be worth £17bn - more than the cost of the London Olympics - to Amec, Washington International and France's Areva.
The Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) will continue to own the assets.
A Westminster report out on Thursday claimed it could take more than 100 years to make the site safe.
It would be awarded initially for a period of five years with the potential of further extension periods to a total of 17 years. ''
It is just decommissioning. Think of the cost involved in construction and operations , fuel, potential risk of a nuclear disaster etc etc
These amounts cannot be estimated now because we dont know the price we have to pay for these services in the future because of more stringent regulations in future.
We may have to depend on international experts ( Americans !!! ) in all these activities. So there is no wonder why Americans are very much interested in helping India to meet our energy demands.
Good samaritans. Praying to God to offer them Royal suites in heaven when they leave this world & saint hood by church.
Expecting some ve & neutral criticism, and not politically biased.
RE:foreign policy
by abhijit kumar on Jul 11, 2008 05:10 PM Permalink
Yes really innocent people. As they innocently attacked Embassy in Kabul on Monday.
Go and ask the family persons of four personnel killed in the attack,
People are singing on Congress at Restaurants, parks, streets, buses and trains where they meet. Congress smell goes globally. Smelly Congress will reach at the climax before Elections. SHAMELESS PEOPLE WHO WRITE FOR MONEY!I am happy to write this thing on Message board. Now it is itself true. Congress has broken its own leg. It ordered for artificial leg. Congress did this thing only because they do not like to do good work for people. Congress recd a big slap on its 'dash' point. A little but time will take to stand aright. It is an outcome of 60 years' anti-people policy. Congress has broken its own leg. It ordered for artificial leg. NO NUMBERS. Our PM will face another NUCLEAR FEVER as he suffered in the previous week. This fever is not like Chicken Pox. It comes again and again, then again and again.
RE:Anti-nationals
by Anand Jishu on Jul 11, 2008 05:03 PM Permalink
so thrilled there are idiots of this degree in india. what the hell mms need to do ? these great intellectuals can break mms's bones by penning down their pain.
If there is one party which will suffer the most from this N-Deal tamasha, it is the BJP. Let's face it. The Congress is weak, but well intentioned. The Communists are traitors, and have been so for the last 60 years. But the BJP? They were supposed to be the Strong Indian Party, who stood up for this country. Now they have let the whole country down in acynical opposition to a deal which would have made India strong and prosperous. All for one man. All so that Advani, finally at the age of 80, becomes PM by bringing down Manmohan Singh. Like I said, history will not be kind to BJP.
RE:Shame on you BJP
by subhash bhatnagar on Jul 11, 2008 05:10 PM Permalink
Yes , you are right, BJP if in power must have gone through this but now they think that by defeting the govt they can have opportunity. And if they won election then they will follow the deal like the policy of liberalisation last time
RE:Shame on you BJP
by Sanjiv Kakkar on Jul 11, 2008 05:20 PM Permalink
I fully agree with this Gentleman ,Though Being a Devoted BJP voter Party has let me and likeminded voters very Down Mr Advani pls think of country first instead of Being PM
RE:Shame on you BJP
by Vijay A on Jul 11, 2008 06:23 PM Permalink
"Now they have let the whole country down in acynical opposition to a deal which would have made India strong and prosperous" - Yes by being US poodle and sacrificing our independence we would grow strong and prosperous, I am not sure about country but congree would surely become prosperous after this deal as we SP has already become after Amar Singh returned from US and understood the whole deal in half hour.
RE:Shame on you BJP
by sanjeev kakkar on Jul 15, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
Friend one should know that if tomarrow we are slave it will be because of the croupt people every where ,and not if we are sufficent in energy , Pls under stand that deal is being opposed by Pakis, Chinese and Poodles of china The communinst
Now that the cats are out.............. both american and indian , it should be transparent and the average Indian and Amrerican would be in a position to decide the further intricacies.
Let everyone sit togethr and iron out a deal that will be a succes of mankind in embracing each other as universal citizens and protect themselves from marauding 'wise killers'
The agreement is a beautiful piece in India's favour.
USA has "deliberately kept many things vague in favour of India".
Like "Corrective measure" to be taken by India in case of of disruption of supplies.
This "corrective measure" is not defined at all and deliberately left vague.
This gives India "escape route".
In case of some unpleasant situation, India can just say "sorry" and would promise "not to do it again".
And USA would admonish India in a friendly manner like Vajpayee did to Modi after Gujrat riot "India ko apni (Raj)dharm bhoolna nehi chahiye" ( India should not forget the promise made to the World).
And everybody would be happy.
So don't go by what these cheap politicians say. Just do your own research. Use internet to your advantage. Discuss with sensible friends. And you will have your answer.
RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by Vivek Harry on Jul 11, 2008 12:52 PM Permalink
but what is the connection between nuclear deal and foriegn policy? This is pure blackmail
RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 11, 2008 01:11 PM Permalink
- Nothing in this World is isolated any more friend.
That's why these kind of deals need more than scientists.
We need strategic thinkers, politicians, foreign relation specialists and ofcourse scientist while forging complex deals like this.
RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by Subhabrata Roy on Jul 11, 2008 01:36 PM Permalink
Prabhat
The tech transfer as it is given to India.. the U238 that will be given to India is already processed twice and will be left for one final processing. India cannot reprocess the fuel which would have turned the deal in India's favour. Also US will not take any responsibility for dumping that processed fuel. every nuclear nation in the world is facing the problem with dumping the processed nuclear fuel. Now given India's proven safeguards, this can be a huge problem. If you dont know what can happen due to side effects of this fuel dumping please visit jadugoda, where more than 70% of children born are born cripple.. and average life span of a person is 40-45 years..
Had this fuel that we are to receive due to this deal been for our nuclear weapons programme, etc then also it was good but in no way it can be used for that part. It can be used only for civilian energy generation.. In that case why should we go for nuclear enery which will cost us more than any hydel/thermal/solar energy plant. If we require civilian energy then we should go for that which will be available at cheaper cost. Its as simple as that..
Thats my question on this deal.. If as you are saying that India walks out of the deal by saying sorry and not abiding by the rules.. This is not so easy.. Any future strategic deal will be difficult and it would hamper india's credibility..
RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 11, 2008 03:49 PM Permalink
- Solar , wind are still alternate sources. They are not yet the main source of energy.
Because of change in weather pattern, places where we used to get good sunlight, have suddenly become wet.And transporting energy from desert to the major habitats is quite expensive.
Wind mills are still marginal. Many wind mills have become non-functional just after few years. So truly not reliable. May be if manufacturers and distributors team up, there could be some changes. But you must remember whatever improvements you see in Wind Power sector, it is mainly due to "Tax Benefits". That's why film stars and politicians are putting money into wind mills. The moment the tax sop goes, the magic too will be gone. This kind of decisions should be based on facts and numbers.
And I am sure you will not find a better trio than MMS,PC and Montek as far as number crunching goes.
RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by nitin sharma on Jul 11, 2008 04:38 PM Permalink
Great thought and agree with that,i also have the same view
RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by harinder singh on Jul 11, 2008 04:39 PM Permalink
HI friends
There were 30 countries with working reactors as of May 2008 according to the world nuclear organisation; 11 other countries either have planned or proposed the building of 1 or more reactors.
The US's dept. of energy largely supports this by also stating 30 countries were generating power from reactors although there published data is older (2004).
The 144 countries mentioned above are members of the IAEA who have signed up to various treaties and agreements but not all member states have active generation programmes.
If this much contries are planning to use nuclear reactor for electricity generation than why not INDIA????
It mean energy generated from Nuclear plan t is cheap,safe and clean to use.
RE:RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by harinder singh on Jul 11, 2008 04:41 PM Permalink
France and Lithuania get around three quarters of their power from nuclear energy, while Belgium, Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovakia, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Slovenia and Ukraine get one third or more. Japan, Germany and Finland get more than a quarter of their power from nuclear energy, while the USA gets almost one fifth.
RE:RE:RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by Vijay A on Jul 11, 2008 06:35 PM Permalink
US, France, Russia, UK and China have more than 500 reactors put together but no. of reactors under IAEA safegaurds is 5 for all of them combined. India has 21 reactors and have agreed to put 14 under safegaurds.. would you explain why so? How it would affect our strategic programs? Also apart from Nuclear reactors all R&D labs are to be put IAEA safegaurds.. would it not affect our R&D for weapons and bring pressure on our scientists? There are many more questions.. some things not mentioned in IAEA draft does not mean India would have its own way.. there are still annexures that are to be attached to this deal. Finally US president is bound by Hyde act which clears ask for India to be slave of US in terms of foreign policy and de-nuke India.
RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 11, 2008 07:02 PM Permalink
- The first sentence in your posting answers itself. The countries mentioned above surely had much longer legacy in nuclear weapon programme. Also they piled up more nuclear weapons during cold-war days.
Things are going to change.
It's no more having more weapons, but precise weapons that would act as the force-multiplier. Environmentalists are also getting powerful and create noise in case of underground tests.
So I think like many advanced countries, India would move to lab testing in the era of super computers, parallel processing, super super fast graphics to fine tune its nuclear arsenal.
With modern technology, one could achieve similar efficiency with less resources.
And since we want to ensure "quick and more" resources now to feed our starved reactors, it's a good idea to open more reactors at this moment to IAEA.
This also helps India create a strategic stock pile of nuclear resources.
I believe TIFR is not under IAEA. [Correct me if I am wrong.]
Think.
The world has allowed you to carry on your military nuclear programme in those 7 reactor (as you mentioneed) acknowledging you as a nuclear power.
We have our self-esteem.
And now we will have resources for our civilian nuclear programme.
RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by Vijay A on Jul 11, 2008 09:44 PM Permalink
you make this deal appear very simple.. but is it so? Do you think Condaleeza Rice lied to US Congress when she said that "we are getting much more than CTBT from this deal with respect to India". I am sure you know that similar deal was offered during NDA govt but was refused because they did not give US what they wanted but same has been given by Congress govt.. these are as per US officials but they won't disclose what has been accepted by MMS that was not by ABV. About 7 reactors out of IAEA safegaurds, are you sure thay are enough to maintain our ability to make nuclear weapons as per our current requirement or is it first step in curtailing of our nuclear weapons. While down the line we may use latest super computers to do simulation and refine our warheads but as of today we neither have ability nor technology to do that and the effects of deal would come much faster.. it is not that both are related and run in parallel.
RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 11, 2008 10:26 PM Permalink
- How do you know India does not have "that" technology?
Go through qrchieves you will some references to "that" technology.
Read formers USA ambassadors and other officials, then you would how superior the present fprm of agreement is from that of NDA's.
RE:RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 11, 2008 10:31 PM Permalink
1) archieves 2)then you would know how... 3) the present form of agreement
RE:The agreement is a terrific bargain for India
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 11, 2008 03:38 PM Permalink
- We have enough nuclear bombs.
And we would continue do build more.
But we do not need as many bombs so desperately as desperately we need power to meet the energy crisis.Our future growth depends on this energy need fulfillment.
You say this nuclear fuel would have been good for military programme and but not for the civilian use.
We still can use our own resources and get resources from others outside this agreement for our military use.
But this agreement will give us access to best breed of technologies not just for electricity, but also for many other uses.
Imagine we could not even import ultra light Tennis racket because of the embargo !
I understand reprocessing issue is a thorn. But trust me, any professional player or manager would tell you that "take one step at a time" when you are completely isolated.
Like NSG made India specific exceptions, it will also do similar exceptions in future in case of reprocessing when the World sees the responsible act of India.
What we need to do now is to grow powerful economically. And then the World would make many exceptions.
Not for us to be with them, but for them to be with us.
As has been put correctly by BJP,the aplicability of the Hyde Act to this deal is potential threat to derail our strategic nuclear program. The opposition of BJP to this kind of deal is very logical.just saying that law of the land is one's domestic problem,does not affect this bilateral agreement is untrue. An American President is bound by the law of his country.The moment we explode any nuclear device (or probably a laboratory experiment) may invite an adverse inference. Yes, we do need an international nuclear cooperationb but, certainly not at a cost,present or future,which prohobits us from becoming a military power of reckoning. Thus invite opinion of your readers on applicability of Hyde Act on this deal and space it (the Act) provides India.
I feel that the PM and the Congress are taking a hasty decision. i remember a similar event when the then P.M Mr. V.P. Singh signed an agreement during the GATT period which came back to haunt us 16-17 yrs later when our pharma sector could not leverage their low cost advantage to import and sell to African & Latin American countries. Therefore, i feel we should not be hasty and go in to the details of the agreement.
