After reading the article, I judged that is not the candidate who should be blamed, but it's the employers who need to be taught to first define the right job description and choose the right candidate.
First, they need to stop luring the candidates by showing them the wrong job descriptions and dreams. Next is they need to find the right guy for the job. After selection, they cannot blame that the candidate is not upto the mark. It is they who selected him and it's their responsibility to train them to give fruitful results.
In the article it said giving 2-3 examples that how the job description changes when the candidate becomes and employee. One has to monitor the tea and lunch breaks of security guards. Another , girl has to go door to door to sell bank accounts.
Company and employees have to work as a team. If one takes care of other, the response comes in a similar fashion.
RE:Employers needs to specify all needs and select right candidate
by cooolsummers on May 02, 2008 01:39 PM Permalink
for doing security guard role and for selling cards, these guys are paid so much of salary!! i think its not justified. if someone doesn't like the job, he/she can always leave. be happy for what ur earning.
Clearly there is mis match between the aspirations and the qualifications of the people. With a degree from a second rung or lower institute , they shouldn`t be dreaming of being a investment banker in some global hot shot MNC. I am not saying that its not possible but on an average , it just wont happen.
The fault lies with people , the job boom doesn`t mean job boom in the sense in which it is taken. Still people run for the traditional fields like engineering / MBA / Medicine. there are so many other fields left which are untapped where the real job boom has struck say media,advertising , infrastructure for example
It is not the fault of the Indian universities that employers do not appreciate the knowledge of the students. Top Indian universities have courses which are much more difficult and more comprehensive than those offered by their American or British counterparts. It is not the duty of the universities to train people for the job market. It is the duty of the employers to train newly recruits to mould them into what the company needs. Japanese employers train their new recruits for at least 3 years in the company institutes which are just as much equipped or more so than any university in Japan. Indian employers do not invest anything at all on the employees. So they cannot blame the graduates.
RE:Indian employers need Education
by Biplab Chakraborty on May 02, 2008 11:45 AM Permalink
Education in India needs to be more of applied education than the current theoritical education format. Whats the use of a degree when you donot know which way to turn the screwdriver to fix a screw, and this was a statement made by an engineering friend of mine after his first day at work and holding 3rd position in his university. And talking of MBAs, how do u expect a person to do something at work place when he does his graduation in subjects like civil, mechanical, electronics etc and then do an MBA in say finance and work for a Financial company crunching stock market data. Clearly this person won't have the quality skills to advise his client, b'cos his initial motivation was engineering and not finance. Our education system needs to change otherwise we will continue disecting frogs at our 11-12th and end up earning livelihood running door-to-door canvasing to open accounts.
I have done my MBA from one of the premier institute in South India,worked for 4 Years and came to US when my family migrated.After reaching US,due to certain constraints, I had to join for a MS in Management in a prestegious University in US. Some facts I realized during my education in India and in US are
1) In India Summer Internship is not Mandatory 2) More focus on class room teaching 3) The image the institute projects to get into a Managerial job without having a shopfloor knowledge on the Industry and its products/ services. 4) Most of the Managerial positions and works assosiated need experience and exposure rather than an MBA degree 5) Lack of well trained and experienced faculty 6) Lack of Industry relations and knowledge transfer from experts in the industry. 7) Lack of effort from the graduate.
In US most of my collegues has more than 5 Years experience in the field, which make them more adaptable and thereby increase the opportunity to land in a lucarative career.Only after getting a real work experience should we go for an MBA, as most of the institutes here say that you are making a very big investment, both time and money for a BETTER CAREER
RE:It has to do with the MBA Curriculam in India
by cooolsummers on May 02, 2008 01:49 PM Permalink
i think you should do another couple of MS degrees followed by a Ph.D then you will be on par with your US colleagues. You will have more to compare between india and US.
RE:It has to do with the MBA Curriculam in India
by People Buster on May 02, 2008 07:58 PM Permalink
You resemble a mad dog with dysentry. You seem to be leaving your shit at every comment. If you cannot give a good comment then do not mess other coments with your goo.
RE:It has to do with the MBA Curriculam in India
by nikhil raj on May 04, 2008 04:04 PM Permalink
Mallus are well known for their cribing attitude for India. You are one of them.
RE:It has to do with the MBA Curriculam in India
by cooolsummers on May 02, 2008 01:51 PM Permalink
seems u r toooo intelligent that u always go to premier/prestigious institutes. wat do u do there? i never been to a college.
The cases reported by Rediff are extremely sad and they do seem to mirror what happens when people get a good education but want to go to the job security that their parents enjoyed. As someone who is much older than these young people (and unashamed to say less bright than today's students) I think that many of these young people could try to become entrepreneurs and do well by themselves and without having to endure the kind of degrading treatment that they are getting from their jobs as the article describes. Yes, entrepreneurship is difficult. But is what they are doing now any less difficult?
Indians are intelligent and hard working people. There is no reason why they should not be able to succeed as entrepreneurs by their own efforts. They would do well and India would also benefit as a country. The older generations will die out in the future. The young can make a significant difference in the future. These smart kids need to read Inc, Money and other magazines on the subject at their nearest American Center LIbrary or similar to get ideas and implement them in their own lives.
When that happens, they will find old dinosaurs like me clapping hardest to congratulate them.
RE:REORG THE INDIAN UNION .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by JaiHanumaan on May 02, 2008 12:04 AM Permalink
..Continued
India was a good idea at the time of gandhi and british, we need not be hungup on it, we are independent now and we can reorganize to our will and liking. And have a clear sense of identity to present to rest of the world instead of utter confustion to foreign countries. I totally respect his nonviolent philosophy.
But the way Indians are behaving today selfishly and greedily in the name of US money and resources, belie the legacy of that great leader. We need practical solutions. To that end we need to reorganize the indian union on linguistic lines so that no group feels pressured by the other and english as the national language.
Especially north india must rise up like a phoenix from its ashes of destruction at the hands of islam and british conquest to regain its palce in comity of nationas.
RE:REORG THE INDIAN UNION .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by JaiHanumaan on May 02, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
Indian secular UNION should be dissolved in to 5-8 nations states and reformed into a federation having common national military as well as state military.
We give foreigners a very poor and confused impression about india and keep fighting with eachother when we go outside india.
If we reorganize we can have a clear sense of national cultural identities with some common cultural background. The current state police/business/and adminstrative structures of current states can be used to form the new nation states to form common tax base. This will give clear national identities to each group in an administrative mess caled india, where every body thinks the other state is taking advantage of me.
Upper north India:- Punjab, haryana, Kashmir,and I think rajasthan should also be part of it, but it gets counted in nothern india.. i dont know why.
There is north india Hindi speaking regions :- UP, Bihar, MP .. Rajasthan, but rajasthan should be struck out of this arrangement.. as vasundhara raje herself said rajasthan is not part of BIMARU states.
West India :- Maharashtra, Gujrat
East India :- Starting from bengal, assam, and 7 sister states of india.
South India :- Four states of karnatak, tamilnadu, kerela, andhara pradesh.
They should be made independent countries. And then they should have economic cooperation and treaties between them. That will be much better than an indian union as it stands today.
Nobody gives damn on it.. every body is after their pockets an
RE:RE:REORG THE INDIAN UNION .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by JaiHanumaan on May 03, 2008 07:10 AM Permalink
WHEN I SUGGEST DIVISION, IN BACKGROUND I MEAN
1) WE SHOULD HAVE ONE NATIONAL ARMY. 2) We SHOULD HAVE ONE MINERAL SHARING ARRANGEMENT. 3) THIS IS PRIMARILY BEING SUGGESTED ON LINGUISTIC AND CULTURAL LINES, BECAUSE ELSE EVERY ONE ELSE IN INDIA FEEL PRESSURED BY THE IMMIGRANT GROUP AS YOU MUST HAVE NOTICED IN NORTH/SOUTH LANGUAGE DIVIDE, AND RECENT VIOLENCE TOWARDS HINDI SPEAKING PEOPLE IN NORTHEAST/SOUTH AND MAHARASHTRA.
RE:RE:REORG THE INDIAN UNION .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by Jitendra Madhav on May 02, 2008 01:54 PM Permalink
Is this is political solution? Then India will have a risk of division....
RE:RE:RE:REORG THE INDIAN UNION .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by Jitendra Madhav on May 02, 2008 01:55 PM Permalink
Rajasthan by the way is doing excellent in every field.
RE:RE:RE:RE:REORG THE INDIAN UNION .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by JaiHanumaan on May 03, 2008 06:43 AM Permalink
Sir I have nothing against rajasthan,we need not be afraid of consolidating and forming these loose political divisions which already exit.
We can just formalize them. I know rajasthan is doing well and is capable, i wish it does even better, but Other north indian states need to better on their own, for that purpose we need
Sorry if my language sounded harsh, i did'nt mean to hurt rajasthani sensibilities.
This division I am suggesting is only for political and economic purposes and river water sharing purpose. And we can be a much better organized to be governed administratively.
Evry citizen of India should carry state ID card and when it moves to a new state for employment his identity is clear. Every political division suggested must manage the muslims under their state laws, and it is the states reponsibility.
"MANAGEMENT CANT BE TAUGHT .... BUT CAN SECURE ONE A GOOD JOB IN THE NAME OF IT" HAPPY HOURS FOR THESE MBA INSTITUTES (at least for a few more yrs now) FOR MARKETING & EARNING from MBA DEGREES & SUCCESSFULLY SELLING IT TO THE BIG CORPORATES
Hi Intrepid, I am not sure about your qualification(Not that it matters) but being an MBA i can say with full confidence that MBA in Finance or Marketing is a misnomer. MBA is generalized course which teaches you little bit about everything. If we go by what you are saying then an MBA in finance should also deny a job of a consultant in Retail marketing in Mckinsey. it is all about problem soving attitude which you will never learn unless you experience the problem yourself. get deeper into it and thats why dirtying your hands become important which unfortunately youngsters dont do because of sudden incomprehensible salary bubble in india. Thats is the ACTUAL DARK SIDE OF JOBS BOOM....people shedding away from learning attitude and just focussing on money.
