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B-School education Industry
by sudipta sarkar on May 01, 2008 01:17 PM  Permalink 

Thanks to globalisation that at the moment one can find a million B-schools mushrooming up. These new genre of so-called Business schools have sprung up especially in the last one decade maximum. People at large forget that MBA has become a saturated program all over the world. In India too, it is on the verge of becoming saturated. Looking at the population in the country at present, it is not surprising that there are miilion B-Schools and million students , who after completion of the course end up in low profile jobs. Its obvious for an overpopulated country that the majority will land up like this and only a few good who good the elite B-Schools will really do well. The craze for MBA should go and their should be new fields opening up. But till the people remain under this craze, the B-School education industry will thrive and many a children from middle class families will suffer the same fate.

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this isnt only for low B-school passouts....
by Neeta Kevale on May 01, 2008 01:05 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

the above conditions arnt only for low B-school passouts....this is happeneing even for those passed out with a globally recognized degree from authourized centers....people r jobless coz orgs say they want experienced candidates....how can someone be experienced unless they get an opportunity???? also...now-a-days when candidates r ready to quit even after they have been tied up with bonds having monetary terms n conditions..so the orgs need to check out for new n valid startegies to retain their new n old employees which will b of benefit to both the org n the employees..

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How about the young attitude !!!
by Das on May 01, 2008 12:58 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Another dark side.
People gets jobs very easily in some of the field like a Call center / BPO kind of job. A 12th or Degree pass students start getting a sal about 10-18K. This sal overwhelm their attitude. They feel that "They can do any thing irrespective of it is Good/Bad". This also leading to another dark side of India.


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RE:How about the young attitude !!!
by shibu mathew on May 01, 2008 01:13 PM  Permalink
A lot of people i know are in BPO's. Why shouldn't a 12th pass get 10-18 K. If a jobless bum in UK can get a flat and 500GBP a month, why not a guy who works for a living. Now, its an another thing altogether, if your grouse is that he is getting 15k and the M.Sc 1st class is getting 6000 in hand. I would say that the M.Sc guy should get a job change if he has the skills desired. Even a BPO job requires basic english speaking skills. And hey, we are from a land where illiterate morons, who should be shoeshining, earn crores (politicians)

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RE:How about the young attitude !!!
by sudipta sarkar on May 01, 2008 01:24 PM  Permalink
Das , you are absolutely right. This is the shallowness of the so-called boomong economy in India. This young kids think get overwhelmed with this nature of jobs and they start thinking too much about themselves or overestimate their level of expertise. People with good qualifications are the ones who deserve the best but are the suffering from this temporary and superficial trends of this so-called globalised economy.

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RE:How about the young attitude !!!
by shibu mathew on May 01, 2008 01:28 PM  Permalink
Why are you being idealistic...this is not an ideal world. "People with good qualifications are the ones who deserve the best"...in that case, i should make more money than HD Deve Gowda or Jaffer Sharief

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RE:RE:How about the young attitude !!!
by sudipta sarkar on May 01, 2008 04:00 PM  Permalink
Yes, thats true, Mr.Shibu. You should make more money than useless politicians. Infact we all who are well qualified should get better treatment than politicians. I am not idealistic, i am just pointing out the infairness in this world.

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THESE SITUATIONS CAUSED BRAIN DRAIN IN THE 70s
by ashok kumar on May 01, 2008 12:57 PM  Permalink 

WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO EEOC TAILORED FOR INDIAN CONDITIONS, AN EMPLOYEE MUST FEEL SAFE FROM ABUSE. I REMEMBER WHEN I LEFT INDIA CANDIDATES WITH CONNECTIONS AND LOWER GRADES GOT BETTER JOBS AND PAY. ONCE THE DEMAND DRYS UP WHICH IT WILL, SEE AT USA TODAY THE INDIAN INSTITUTIONS WILL CRUMBLE.

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Its much more bad than it appears
by Nitin Kumar on May 01, 2008 12:57 PM  Permalink 

Hi everybody. In todays scenario everybody is running after the post graduations like MBA etc. When a company shoots a single job vacancy then appliants who appear for that interview are in number of thousands. This kind of situatin in India giving provide opportunity for the companies to hire a good qualified person at very less salary.

Now lets talk about the working conditions of people working in India. According to Indian law the working hours for a person are 8-9 hrs in a day. But tell me all you readers by putting your hands on ur heart that how many hours actually you spend in your office? Your family kept on waiting for you at home & you kept on slogging for those unpaid hours.

The situation is much more worse for marketing & sales people. Some comapnies are very good but others majority are very bad.

Example: Ravi is working in a sales department in a company on Rs 10000/month. His job is to sell General Insurance. Now he slogging for more than 10-12 in a day to meet those hefty targets. At the end of the month he got Rs 10000 as salary. Now check this-How much he actaully earned? He spent Rs 1000 in a month in commuting from home to office and then back. Rs 2000 in petrol expences & got Rs 800 reimbursed makes it 1200. Rs 1000 spent for food in a month.

Now calculate 10000-1000-1200-1000= Rs 6,8000. Now in just Rs 6,8000 how he will manage his other expenses like house rent, family, kids etc....

A BCOM MBA (RAVI) graduates skills & abilities are

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INDUSTRY versus AGRICULTURE
by siva krishna on May 01, 2008 12:52 PM  Permalink 


Dear All

agriculture needs land

industry also needs land

agri can produce food grains which you can eat and sustain

but industry will produce only NUTS and BOLTS which you can not eat.

please think critically.

every body is looting land in the name of industry.

every body is looting land in the name of stadiums and golf courses.

please donot sell your agri land.


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MBA from one of the lesser-known B-Schools
by venugopal velloth on May 01, 2008 12:47 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

These days MBA (Much Below Average) are available dime a dozen. How good are they ? They do not have even common sense. The value of MBA is gone with distant education too. private institutions are giving such degrees for a cost and not in terms of academics. I do agree that most companies/banks etc are taking advantage of the loopholes in labour law and no one seems to be bothered. No one knows Shops and establishment rules. These young employees are not bothered too. All that they consider how much money in hand they get every month.

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RE:MBA from one of the lesser-known B-Schools
by CarrotAndStick on May 01, 2008 12:51 PM  Permalink


Other than the IIMs and three or more other Indian establishments, and even then, a few among the above, hardly any MBA grad is worth his salt.

MBA will only take you as far as your basic innate intelligence is sound- and not the intelligence to ace standardised tests.

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RE:MBA from one of the lesser-known B-Schools
by ashok robert on May 01, 2008 12:59 PM  Permalink
I don't think MBA from IIM is also good.

Man, you need to think, act , execute and bring about results and remember you are going to work with people of all kind.

So your MBA can fulfill only few things.

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One sided article!!!
by Manu j on May 01, 2008 12:46 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

This article is just a sympathetic article. Lacks the reality check. Getting a job does not mean the employee sits around and earns thousands. It involves hours and hours of hard work. If hard work gets sympathized, then the person really has a problem and cannot produce results in any field.

All the three examples shown above show that the candidates have not their background home-work on the jobs they are doing. The employees are at fault and NOT THE JOB. Accept a job only if you it falls in line with your skills and aspirations. There is no point in grumbling.

What do employers expect from employees? They expect results irrespective of whether they creative jobs or repetitive jobs. And what do employees expect from employers? It should be a challenging job which involves application of their knowledge gathered at the University and a well-compensated package. Getting a university degree is not going to earn you money, it just makes you understand things. More money at the university, the less deserving candidate you are. You just bought the degree, not the skills. For skills, one needs to "study hard and smart".

Its the application of the skills that's going to fetch you money. People who don't understand complain like the author here. Don't blame the job boom in India for that. Opportunities must be turned to advantage.


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RE:One sided article!!!
by Veeresh on May 01, 2008 01:11 PM  Permalink
Well said Manuj.

Opportunity comes with an expecation of effort and risk. If you upto it take it, else leave it. Somebody else will be making to it. That somebody might be happily will be taking up the challenge do it with ease.

Move on for what suites you. If you don't knwo how to dance, don't blame the podium!

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RE:One sided article!!!
by shibu mathew on May 01, 2008 01:06 PM  Permalink
With referance to the statement "Getting a job does not mean the employee sits around and earns thousands. It involves hours and hours of hard work. ".....I do not agree that working from 9 AM - 10 PM is called "working hard" ..it is plain and simple abuse. Work should stick to the work timings.So, are you saying that the persons labour beyond 5 pm is monetarily worth nothing. This is not china, pal.

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RE:RE:One sided article!!!
by Manu j on May 01, 2008 01:09 PM  Permalink
read the 2nd para

"All the three examples shown above show that the candidates have not their background home-work on the jobs they are doing. The employees are at fault and NOT THE JOB. Accept a job only if you it falls in line with your skills and aspirations. There is no point in grumbling."

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RE:One sided article!!!
by shibu mathew on May 01, 2008 01:25 PM  Permalink
I beg to differ...the job (the firm rather) is at fault here. In India, a fresher have the options to choose from too many jobs, if he wishes to pursue his trade. And no fresher is going to say no to that bank job (unless his/her dad has saved up tonnes of cash for him). Work timings, deadlines are all set by the management...if the management wants more profits they need to add more staff and not use a fresher till midnight. So again, this abuse would apply to anyone who takes this job..its not the bank job but this 'bank', thats at fault.

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RE:One sided article!!!
by shibu mathew on May 01, 2008 01:30 PM  Permalink
correction -> 'does not have the options to choose from too many jobs' is what i meant in line 1

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RE:One sided article!!!
by Manu on May 01, 2008 01:59 PM  Permalink
The fresher clearly here has "NO REFINED SKILLS" except "MBA knowledge". The firm recruits and excepts results. Being a lady, she is "NOT" supposed to work beyond certain hours and she can demand to work only in the working hours. However, since she is not able to perform, she is doing the unpaid extra hours. She can do the following
1> Talk to management and seek feedback on improvement and a training program. All firms know that with just knowledge nobody can perform, they need additional training program to become fit and survive.
2> Quit and go for another paid job ( but has fallen into the loan pit )in which case, she can still demand the management to help her improve skills.

Its foolish, if the firm expects a fresher to perform fantastically right from the 1st month.

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RE:One sided article!!!
by Manu on May 01, 2008 02:10 PM  Permalink
Pls read excepts as "expects" in line 1.

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RE:INDIAN UNION SHOULD BE REORGANIZD .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by JaiHanumaan on May 01, 2008 12:45 PM  Permalink
Nobody gives damn on it.. every body is after their pockets and money.Indians of current generation both senior aswell as jounior are grredy and selfish generation, state of india deserves destruction in its current form.

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RE:INDIAN UNION SHOULD BE REORGANIZD .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by on May 01, 2008 01:12 PM  Permalink
What bullshit ... Howz that going to solve the problems. On one side people in India wants more states and on the other side you are asking of unification of some states into a separate region ...... Be practical man ... Dont live in an imaginary world

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RE:RE:INDIAN UNION SHOULD BE REORGANIZD .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by JaiHanumaan on May 01, 2008 01:27 PM  Permalink
I am not sir you are, wake up INDIA is changing very fast. Every problem is going to get solved if we divide india into separate political units based on cultural and liguistic lines, just like europe. It will be much better.

We dont have british now, we can all be independent countries without fear of anything based on cultural/language identities. We will be much better equipped to solve our internal disputes and present a presentable face to the rest of the world.

Instead of a very poor and confused image we present in to the world in west and islam.

India is changing so shout its map. Separate smaller nations with one language and english as the national language. It will be much better administrative unit to liking of all.

Each state can setup their own embassies in other staes for further promoting cultural ties.

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RE:INDIAN UNION SHOULD BE REORGANIZD .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by pizza isgreat on May 01, 2008 01:05 PM  Permalink
without south , teh whol india is useles

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RE:INDIAN UNION SHOULD BE REORGANIZD .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by JaiHanumaan on May 01, 2008 01:19 PM  Permalink
Incorrect, south had the peace and opportunity to develop. It is time for NORTH to re-emerge from its ashes like a phoenix.

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RE:RE:INDIAN UNION SHOULD BE REORGANIZD .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by Manu on May 01, 2008 01:26 PM  Permalink
Obviously you don't know the economics and contributions of North India. Check out your motherlands statistics of population, economics, military, contributors...

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RE:INDIAN UNION SHOULD BE REORGANIZD .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by Manu j on May 01, 2008 12:52 PM  Permalink
Confused Desi !!!

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RE:INDIAN UNION SHOULD BE REORGANIZD .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by JaiHanumaan on May 01, 2008 12:57 PM  Permalink
I am not confused sir you are, India was a good idea at the time of gandhi but new economic realities will push india into chaos, if corrective actonion are not take, it is coming sooner than later.

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RE:INDIAN UNION SHOULD BE REORGANIZD .. FOR BETTER ADMINISTRATION
by Manu on May 01, 2008 01:20 PM  Permalink
The States Reorganisation Act of 1956 effective November 1st. Gandhiji's assasination Jan 30 1948.

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Good Article
by prasad nsr on May 01, 2008 12:44 PM  Permalink 

The article gives an insight into the realities. The education standard needs to be addressed at various levels.

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