Hi, I was in Wipro for lst 4 yr. and I quit Wipro not for higher salary !! I am bound to quit due to my manager and HR people response. I beleive in Wipro managers are the worst.And I would request higher management to look into that. I was in Wipro KDC,before that i was in Wipro Hyd.
RE:Wipro quit
by balbhim patil on Jul 23, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
appoint qualified and sensible HR ,managers, just dont apppoint smart youg good loking girls, definatly thay will spoin the party. i hope messasge is clear
RE:Wipro quit
by srivatsa yb on Aug 03, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
Wipro is sad...and will never improve...even though i never wanted to work for an MNC,i had no option but to quit...wipro better pull its socks up,or its going down..
RE:Wipro quit
by on Jul 23, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
This is the problem with most of the companies. Every time employee leave jobs not for wages only, there are lot more issue , and HR have to play a active role.
RE:Give HR a priority
by ravi on Jul 23, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
Absolutly right.. Its the crappy HR managers that sucks the money! With lowest credentials they get highest hike and earn highest salary...' Its a shame Its a shame Its a shame
Its very true that people leave managers not the company. But NOW THE QUESTION IS WHY NOT A MANAGER CHANGE?
That%u2019s because nobody cares... I have seen even after key or even critical resources leave the project no body questions the managers WHY??? Might be nexus between Managers and the HR.
Employees are treated as HEAD COUNTS... rather than a human being. This is breaks the trust of an employee. He looks around. And the market is such that once you look around NOBODY CAN STOP YOU.... So I strongly believe if they don%u2019t realize now it will be late...
RE:Managers are to be blamed.
by rationalize on Jul 23, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
I have seen even after key or even critical resources leave the project no body questions the managers WHY???
To answer this, most of the managers do their home-work in terms of bad-mouthing their employees and highlight themselves in front of their superiors/HR. So even if their best employee leaves superiors/HR do not take it as a loss. This happens in India and US as well.
RE:Managers are to be blamed.
by Chola The Greatest in the Universe on Jul 23, 2007 09:21 PM Permalink
Employees leave MANAGERS NOT the organizations! Most of the times Senior level guys (he/she could be a PM, VP or even CTO) who keep on working in the same organization for more than 3-5 years think that any potential GOOD employee is a threat. They identify those GOOD ones and target them till they leave. They will survive for 15-20 years becoming some VP or even CTO or COO bla bla... They always put the blame on the new comers and keep on bossing over others eventually doing NOTHING!
RE:Managers are to be blamed.
by mbawmba on Jul 23, 2007 08:37 PM Permalink
Tha's why- Make managers as CONTRACT Managers. They will become accountable.
RE:Managers are to be blamed.
by asad on Jul 23, 2007 09:02 PM Permalink
Hey the reason for leaving is not only manager but so many things like
1. work pressure is too much but pay is not gud enough in these companies. 2. Suppose a person starts his/her carrer with 15k, in 99% of cases, gets increment of 10% per year only. that means if he work in d same company for 5 years, he will be getting somehwre 40k at the age of 30. that is not enough,.
Also indian compaines are too clever when it comes about conpensation ansd costs cutting.
And the funny part is wht so called costs cutting they do, goes much more than to the traning of new work force.
RE:Managers are to be blamed.
by sorry on Aug 08, 2007 11:44 AM Permalink
Yes totally agree. If a person changes job every 6 months, he would reach the same salary in approx half the time (2.5 years)
Join better companies like Microsoft, Goggle, Yahoo which would give you comparatively challenging work, good money and above all if you are a developer, you surely won't be reporting into a dumb ass Project Manager.
I have worked with one of top Indian companies and seen how ppl who didn't know anything trying to become a PM or an onsite co-ordinator.
RE:Join better companies
by Chola The Greatest in the Universe on Jul 23, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
NOT Microsoft because so many gaulties are there. You simply cant trust them.
RE:Join better companies
by mbawmba on Jul 23, 2007 08:32 PM Permalink
Not everyone can join a top company. Think of a solution for a greater good.. e.g. WAR ON TERROR
RE:Join better companies
by Vucha Himakar on Jul 23, 2007 09:12 PM Permalink
This is the tip of the Ice burg. These so called Top notch companies have gone mad in the blind race of numbers and forgot basic values.....inhumanly long working hours tremendous work pressures ,over commitment to clinet(Boot licking is a better word).....totally ridiculous appraisal systems and many more reasons ......... If the situation of the employees in these companies is so pathetic assume about the gallie companies that is drinking the blood of employees............... Tata steel has limited the number of working hours as 8 way back in 70s........my dear Big brains plz learn some thing.........
RE:SOLUTION- Improve Professionalism
by Chola The Greatest in the Universe on Jul 23, 2007 09:23 PM Permalink
Good suggestion but you need good managers to deligate work! In India most of the outsourced organizations do nothing but keep charging in USD by just pretending their availability.
Poor Hr (Not Hr policies), but poor practices, and Managers, makes things worst for the programmers, which is causing more headaches to the firms.
I have seen people telling about tough managers, for their leaving. The main reason is the Managers are not touch, but they are not trasparent, and do not pass on info like about the Project status, client communications, short term assignments, releaving from one project.
Most people understand the complexity and they expect more transparancy, rather than favouring them. Again the HR, in case of a average hike, they dont give a proper response, and comes out with, we will review, (means who), and they should again give out the reasons like budget allocations, performance of the employees.
I have seen a case in one of this top 4,(not to name the firm), that a person after putting down his papers, took 3 weeks to communicate with his HR. It seems that the Hr is on leave for one week, and not picking up the call. And there is no alternative person to handle the issue.
There are many loosily packed stuffs in IT firms, which they will have to tighten up going forward
RE:Poor Hr and Managers
by Chandramouly Vidyashankkar on Jul 23, 2007 08:13 PM Permalink
Again there is always reference calls, and many getting into without any knowledge. These stuffs are done by Managers and HR people. Instead of these, they can very well dilute and get other degree people and people from other sectors to accomodate.
My suggestion, is take some one from other sector with more than 5-10 yrs expererince. In other sectors, job switching is less, and they would have got into that mind set, and will not leave easily.
RE:10,000 quit TCS, Infy, Wipro, Satyam in Q1
by mbawmba on Jul 23, 2007 08:17 PM Permalink
Hate to say it, but most of the above observations are sadly TRUE. Girls part ..not sure ? :)) he he You can rub whatever you want with girls anywhere buddy. OK?
The major reason why an employee leaves an organisation is not because of lack of appraisal. But due to the fear factor of managers of being replaced by his junior and out-shined. Hence the manager plays spoilsport and does not recognize the effort of the employee. This is universally accepted norm and cannot be denied!!!!!!!
RE:Fear Factor of Managers of being dwarfed and replaced leads to attrition.
by Vijayabaskar on Jul 23, 2007 08:50 PM Permalink
Very true. Recently I had a friend of mine telling his boss about joining a course to develop himself. (He had to tell because he had to leave the office a bit early on certain days to attend the classes). Initially the boss wished him well. Very soon, he changed his behaviour and confronted my friend with all sorts of questions like, 'why a techie like him(my friend) should do an MBA? bla bla bla. My friend is facing the wrath of the manager in almost everything he does - eversince......
Brilliant peoples are changing the jobs, they dont wanted tobe sitting on one place idle, they are creative, tallanted & hardworker and some peoples are duffer, useless, lazy, brainless type of people seating in the same company, same place for more then 10 - 10 years and taking only award (like clock or few cash) after 5 years & 10 year completion. But after some time company only throw (GPL) out this type of people permanantly.
RE:They dont want Awards.
by mbawmba on Jul 23, 2007 08:24 PM Permalink
Snese of diretcion is missing. Professionalism is non-existant. In western countries, once you are hired as a programmer, you are supposed to deliver the code. Here in India, the programmer thinks he's doing a favour to others, if he delivers. Partly, because his effort gets taken up by other worthless memebers or manager. But then , he was hired for the job. What about the other at the same pay level , who are not contributing, but taking the share of programmers achievement? Well. In that case te compensation should be a function of performance. Are we talking about more contract jobs and hourly pay scales? Like in the west? Indians are insecure about job insecurity... Well..Something's got to be done. Let the best man be paid good compensation. Why would he bother about others? He has to ..peer rivalry is staunch in IT. So..The only option..HOURLY PAY SCALES and CONTRACT ASSIGNMENTS. Of course these contract pay packets are huge..just like the ones in WEST !!
Why blame employees .... some normal engineers do a sort of MBA and after 2-3 years become HR employees and then hire from NIT and IITs !!!!!!!!!! ...wwhat do you expect all these HR walaas should be thrown out and the manager technical should be responsible for selection and then for attrition ... no HR needed at all ..
RE:MBAs
by Abuse Abuser on Jul 23, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
you are right HR mgrs are made easier by introduction of Bond and Service Agreement in freshers in companies these days.The employees are not cared for, appraisals are peanuts when you are in service agreement. thi is evident in tcs, infy and L&T infotech ltd.
RE:MBAs
by Abuse Abuser on Jul 23, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
you are right HR mgrs are made easier by introduction of Bond and Service Agreement in freshers in companies these days.The employees are not cared for, appraisals are peanuts when you are in service agreement. thi is evident in tcs, infy and L&T infotech ltd.
