As all of us have seen, how government is centralising such institution in developed state and cities. Whethese these new institution will be set up based on the population of a state and to fullfill the regional imbalance or it will be decided based on economy of a state? The industrialist who will participate in funding for such institution are generally in big cities of big state(economy, infrastructure etc wise), will they support to establish such institution in poor city/state for the development? Govt should establish these only in backward region of the country(undeveloped).
Ok all are good!But to whom?Is there any hope for the real talented-without reservation-groups?Better the talented guys quit INDIA for a good fortune.Those can come back(it is their country too)with money and hire this ugly politicians for their good.This is not joke,that is the only way.The majority and power in a democratic election process only through votes.Even nowadays..after all malpractices,the percentage still lesser than half!The general public showing less interests in this ....They are fed up of this..the so called majority(in election) never deserve these..But they are simply spoiling the future of the deserved!!
whether it is IIT or IIM or AIIMS some stupid like Anbumani should not dictate terms who has not come with merit. Autonomy is the key like institutes like Harvard or MIT and Stanford. Ofcourse quota should not be allowed.
RE:Anbumani Ramadoss should not dictate elite instittutes
by S Anto on Sep 13, 2007 10:16 AM Permalink
hi chandramohan, HArvard and Stanford are not in India. In the country where they located people are not crushing others in the names of caste
RE:Anbumani Ramadoss should not dictate elite instittutes
by Amit on Sep 13, 2007 12:13 PM Permalink
How does caste hirarchy justifies whatever moron Ambumani is doing ?
Harvard and Stanford are in a country where people were enslaved , brought and sold like cattles till 18th century and had no right to education. These people had no political rights and crushed in name of colour till 1962. Still Harvard and stanford are based on merit.
OBC in India are not disadvantaged , In fact most of the today's OBC castes are the one who crushed SC and ST.
As per reports tabled in parliament govenrment subsidy is rupees 3 lakhs per anum per student. This Governement is spending 6 lakh rupees per student and also IIMs are charging 4.5 lakhs per student as fees. The total sum 10.5 lakhs is higher then some of the best MBA programs abroad. We are not counting extra money generated by countless executive education programms PGPX ( IIM A and C :15 lakhs per student per year ) PGSEM ( IIMB 6 laks per year per student), distanct education ( IIMA , IIMC, IIM-K and IIM-I , Short term management programms and consultancy assignements. Seeing the crumbling infrastructure (buildings , upkeep of campus ) it is highly unlikely that IIMs are spending much on these , IIMS top brass constantly keeps on crying for lack of funds can any one tell where all this funding is going ? Its high time that more quality private institutes such as SP Jain , JBIMS and ISB are brought in with PPP to create competetion to IIMs
Continuing from my last message. Kendriya Vidyalayas established by union government has played an important role in providing feeder material to higher education system and thus to nation building , So establishing new schools,colleges and central universities is more important for most of us then new IIT and IIM. May be Rashmi is just interested in IIT and IIM part in Manmohan Singh's announcement but this can not be considered a geniric choice of most of us. Also this shows mayopic view istalled by these ivory towers called IIM in the students. IIM faculty and Management are man of straw, When Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi proposed to reduce fees of IIM they cried through rooftop as though he is asking IIMs to take in RSS caders but they have no guts to speak against Arjun Singh for steamrolling damaging changes,They very well know ways of congress rule where as BJP was novice in running governement. Bakul Dholakia keeps on placating UPA by inviting Likes of Laloo to IIM as if he is visionary behind the policy to increase axle load which was prime reason to double fright capacity, while ignoring real engineers of turnaround in Indian Railways .
Ofcouse Rashmi is not goping to respond to my comments she keeps on harping about IIMs in all her articles. A whole industry is built around coaching for CAT for not so sucessful students otherwise who consider clearing CAT and getting in to a B school a moksha from otherwise bleak prospectus. I am not counting those here who consider management degree as a mid carrier shift. First thing management institutes teach students is to build an image for themselves and create a brand value, No MBA from any institue will berate his institue in public for this reason. IIM and IIT is not comparable at all, IIT brand is well known around the world were as IIM piggyback the same brand value by virtue of 2 How pompous IIM alumni can be understood from this gem in the article ."Most of us really don't care about any of these grand plans, except the bit about IITs and IIMs."
IISc Bangalore is best example of PPP , It was created by Jamshetji Tata 100 years ago and has contributed more to nation building then all IIMs put together.
Real output of IIT and IIM is to create coolies for MNCs . Yes there are some IIT alumini who are sucessful in silicon valley but there is an equal number of non IIT garaduate indians who are sucessful as well. Also those alumni who are sucessful are not totally beacuse of IIT but because of post graduation course and Phd done elsewhere. Many of these sucessful IIT grads are actually B.E from a normal institue who did M.Tech in IIT to get a better ta
RE:Hingy Pompous show from IIM alumini
by sidvram sid on Sep 13, 2007 10:25 AM Permalink
YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT RASHMI CANNOT FACE REALITY ThiS LADY THINKS NO END OF IIM my sister put a straight question if she is wrigling in pain will she think about the Doctor or IIM ,when she is in Tax trouble will she approach a CA or brag about IIM when she is hauled up for a defamation case will she brag about IIM or go to aLawyer This lady has to be told that IIM is not a profession but a coolie for MNC sid_vram@rediffmail.com
RE:Hingy Pompous show from IIM alumini
by Anupkumar BhaskaraPillai on Sep 13, 2007 10:48 AM Permalink
You are spot on Amit. Of course she wouldnt reply. It needs hell a lot of arrogance (or is it plain ignorance?) to proclaim " Most of us really don't care about any of these grand plans, except the bit about IITs and IIMs". Who are these "us" Rashmi??? Any one who can think a bit rationally will know that the most important plan is that bit about "6000 new high quality schools". That is what will make a real difference to India. And by the way what is the contribution of all these so called "hitech" iits towards research? How many of the IIT faculties have proved their worth in their field?? Go to IISc or even that modest Central Uni, Hyderabad (but then they are out of the radar of most of Rashmi's "us"!) you will find people who really mean something in their field minus all the pomp! And you will see people who didnt even have access to real good schools coming up with real worthy ideas. ANYONE who has access to sustained coaching can clear JEEs and CATs but to prove ones worth with new ideas one needs some stuff. And IITs and IIMs do not give that nor can one assume that those who get admission their have that stuff by default! The contribution of IITs and IIMs towards the field of engineering and management is nothing when seen against the pomp associated with these institutes and the amount of money that is spent on them.
kudos to rashmi for this article. it had been a while that i saw one from her on rediff.
i agree with all the points that she has made.
I guess one primary area that she missed is the justification for creating new IITs and IIMs. Most of the IITs coming up would be refurbishment of some of existing colleges. Why cant these colleges have a brand image of their own ? Why do they want to dilute the IIT/IIM brand name that has been built over the years ?
I can say that IIT/IIM status does give you govt funding. If parting with money is the only issue, I am sure you dont need to name an institute IIT or IIM. If govt has good gestures, it would help out a bright institute anyways.
And for those IITs and IIMs that are not going to come out of refurbished institutes, I have just one thing to say ... we have a huge paucity of faculties. India only produces a chemical engineer who later on works for Infosys. We do not produce PhDs.
and finally, if the economy is poor, printing more currency notes is not going to make things better.
These big school are of no meaning to me. The coaching class cost it self is so high, a poor fellow like me can not even go near the coaching school. To mug up these coaching material so much pen, pencil and paper is required that I can not even buy them. That is injustice to me. I landed up doing my grad in Philosophy. Any job oppertunity for me. Govt should focus equally on primary education and ban coaching classes (but still have those tough entrances) for entrance to these name brand colleges
RE:Any thing for the existing grads.
by ashish sinha on Sep 13, 2007 02:36 AM Permalink
well, if you really wanted to get into IITs or IIMs you could have done it. Where you have will you have a way.
may be you had other options in mind like philosophy, that hindered your focus.
in conclusion, I hope you are in the field that you wanted to.
RE:Any thing for the existing grads.
by Tushar Kant on Sep 13, 2007 04:32 AM Permalink
I am still trying to get into some name brand school to do my PG or PhD, so that I can land a job in the IT boom. But then I can not decide may be I will take some english training and join some call center to make some quick bucks. The govt also does not give good stipend for PG/PhD in Humanities section, so looks I will have to look for some quick bucks.
RE:Any thing for the existing grads.
by Jay Badri on Sep 13, 2007 12:33 AM Permalink
U dont need bigmoney to prepare for them.IIT-JEE tests u on math,physics and chemistry.even if u goto govt colleges they will teach u the same.u can goto library u will find lot of books on math,physics or chemistry.U need discipline to beat these IIT brains who set these questions,its not about mugging,its about lightning speed,geek,interest,motivation,god given brain,he gave same to everybody,rich,poor,religion nothing,u need to be a genius like tendulkar for cricket to beat them,even ramanujulu was stark poor,he became famous,if u r rich,u'll not have motivation to sit for IIT,u r blessed that u r poor,u have everything to prove.why do u think with nothing INDIA with half naked fakirs is prospering,taking away US jobs,we r hungry,we r poor,we want to step it up.This young generation is on our own,we dont need nobody help,we can beat it buddy,make knowledge shine.dont get dis heartened u can work and continue ur education,now even u see plenty of working openings for students.In US at any age u can start over ur career,have a dream and make it happen.
In India also there are private colleges where admission is strictly on basis of Merit. BITS Pillani is top most Private Engineering college where only criteria for admission is merit.Without any grant from Govt, BITS Pillani is a institute not less than any good IIT. The fee structure is also very comparable with government funded IITs.So,All fingers are not same. If there is a will there is a way. If there is apolitical committment for good eduction there are many Philanthropist /institutions who are ready to develop many IITs and IIMs. They have the vision and capabilites. MmM Puri
RE:No management quota in BITS , PILANI
by S Narain on Sep 12, 2007 11:17 PM Permalink
BITS pillani is an exception but most of the private engineering colleges are money making machine,care more for money than studies .
RE:No management quota in BITS , PILANI
by Yankydoodle on Sep 13, 2007 02:29 AM Permalink
My friend did his B.Tech. from BITS Pilani by taking 'SIFARISH' from some Baba in Delhi who knew some SDM in Pilani. He even got late for admission, got admitted after 2 months even when admissi0ons are closed.
RE:No management quota in BITS , PILANI
by Man Puri on Sep 13, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
IF U DO NOT LIKE MERIT. GOD SAKE DON'T SPREAD RUMOURS. EVEN SAFARISH OF CHANCELLOR AND VICE CHANCELLOR CAN NOT PROVIDE A SEAT IN BITS PILANI. THERE ARE 25 STATE TOPPERS WHO JOINED BITS PILANI IN 2007.EVEN IIT IS NOT ABLE TO COME UP WITH ONLINE ADMISSION TEST. BITS ADOPTED THE CGPA SCORE AND SEMESTER SYSTEM FIRST IN THE COUNTRY MUCH BEFORE IIT WAY BACK ABOUT 30 YEARS . BITS PILANI IS ALREADY HAVING VIRTUAL UNIVERSITY AND NOW IIT IS PLANNING FOR IT.THERE IS A NEED FOR PERSONALITIES LIKE GD BIRLA AND KK BIRLA TO ESTABLISH SUCH MORE INSTITUTIONS. DR M M PURI
