Let us understand who OBCs are. If I understand correctly, they are the group who were erstwhile rulers of India. Coming from TN, the Thevars, Vanniars all fall into this category. When thier kingdoms were destroyed by invaders, the only control they had was land. With land reforms they also lost control over this. The only way out for them to regain some of thier lost identity and prestige is through education, so the politics around education, which everyone recognizes as the only option to wealth, prosperity. Mr. Anbumani Ramadoss is a OBC (vanniar) from TN.
While affirmative action is important, it is also important to see sanity check the concept of blind reservation. It is well established that with nearly 30% of seats being vacant in the reserved categories in TN, that reservation is for the rich upper classes from the non-forward castes, simply to maintain power and control over society.
If reservation is to benefit the under-priviledged then it must first clearly specify the criteria for qualification -- therein lies the weakness in our affirmative action program. While people blindly quote the system in the US, one must read carefully what that system says, it is applied to only very small groups (very small ethnic minorites), socially and historically disavdantaged groups, coupled with economic criteria, such as household income and/or assets.
India must first define the criteria for qualification and enforce that strongly to insure soci
Let us understand who these brahmin pircks are. As I understand correctly, they are a nomadic tribe from Asia Minor, who wandered into Indian subcontinent, due to prolonged femine in Asia Minor. Due to their clumsy nomadic nature and appearance, they couldn't mingle with the highly civilised dravidians. So, to gain access to the vast resources of India, these nomads plotted the caste system to divide the indian society. They used their fair skinned women to enter into higher echelons of ancient kingdoms, and started the distortion of the society ever since. The effects of their evil designs are seen even today. Now that the real Indians have waken up, and standing up to take their rights, these so called brahm beggers are shaking in their boots. Only Anbumani Ramadoss is an OBC. The rest of blood sucking anti-reservation leaches at center belong to the clumsy cunning brahm clan.
Even, by their own definition, brahms are those that conquer desire, don't own property, earn their bread by begging, and live their lives praising god. If they don't have desire, why the fk are they fighting against reservation. Todays so-called-brahms are those that are most corrupt and cunning.
An 80% community taking control is better than 2% community ruining the nation. We know you guys are shell shocked that your control over the society has gone. It's time to accept reality, and try to coexist.
Ha ha ha. So, Pathur, keep your logic in your attic, and get a life.
RE:Revisting OBC
by james on Apr 13, 2008 01:44 AM Permalink
I fully agree with Nemesis.Thats how it has been since ancient times, the flaw is not in Ambedkar's constitution,FLAW IS IN INDIAN CULTURE AND HERITAGE,IN ITS PHILOSOPHIES AND IN ITS DEEPEST CORE VALUES, manuwadi scheme is a big failure and i rate manuwadi scheme worse than taliban ideology.How can you talk about equality in jobs...ask your dad when did last time he was looking for a SC/ST/OBC girl for your marriage,if you want to prosper,teach your dad that times have changed since 1947 it is better he gets you married to SC/ST/OBC girl so that your offspring wont have to beg on streets like the doctors from Youth for equality.india has always been ruled by the most notorious nomadic tribes from Iran called brahmins supported by upper caste goondas read kshtriyas employed by them.They have plundered the propering wealth of India by looting the original "INDIANS" read SC/ST/OBC and it is clearly mentioned in my history book!Its funny how these history books have been written by these brahmins they just write one line at the end and suppress the true facts and figures about how they raped and plundered to establish themselves and keep everyone in dark about our so called glorious Indian culture.AT this glorious moment i welcome Honrable Supreme Courts decision and demand that ALL OBC/SC/ST should come together and pursue in Apex court to declare brahmin,khatriyas,vaishyas as foriegners and outsiders first came as refugees who later murdered the true soul of India and became ru
RE:Revisting OBC
by gazza subra on Apr 13, 2008 07:43 AM Permalink
Because of folls like you SC/ST guys are sufferring. The available seat in Professional courses is only enough for all educatable age SC/STs. So 100% reservation should be given to them and no else should get a chance to study till all of them are learned for 3 generations. Then Most OPPRESSED OBC should get the chance then the medium OPPRESSED OBC and so on.
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by shrijit on Apr 13, 2008 01:59 AM Permalink
Its a real sad state of affairs. We are now replacing the old caste system with another new one. I think we have always bowed down to might...in this new system its just that might is now defined by the numbers(DEMOCRACY or MOBOCRACY!!! ). Does anybody think that we would progress anytime by continuing to fight among ourselves? Reservation is probably something that is required but as someone pointed out...it has to be well defined and should not allow in people who are well off financially...at the same time somebody who is poor shouldn't be deprived of opportunity just because he belongs to a particular caste.
I think its high time the youth of India realised this divide and rule policy continued by the present day politicians/rulers and unite together to force a policy change for the good of our dear country and create an equal society for the coming generations where we arent asked about our caste...and intelligence is respected!!
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by Gunjan Mishra on Apr 13, 2008 02:15 AM Permalink
ok tell me your pitch dark black , got nostrils upto ears on both sides , got yellowish teeth , got standard african tribal hairs (you may call it curly for pleasure), and have licked A** of brahmins since u have born , we have ruled for thousands of yrs and we will rule always , numbers dont matter , its IQ that matters jews have proved this, so dont worry.
RE:Revisting OBC
by Twilight on Apr 13, 2008 02:35 AM Permalink
ha ha ha !!!kuch jal raha hai...!!dekho dekho misra ji ki langoti se dhuan nikal raha hai...yes i know u have discovered "ZERO" in ancient India at least thats what you claim and thats what you have remained throughout...big ZERO...SHUNYA...bolte rehte hain humne yeh discover kiya humne woh discover kiya...pumpkin discover kiya ha ha ha ha ...now instead of scratching pole like a cat goto sleep !!!
The point that I was making was that caste has become irrelevant in today's context. Then why perpetuate this instead of addressing the real problem, that is upliftment of the people. Instead of mindless reservation, shouldn't there not be a well defined criteria to bring the benefit of affirmative action to the underpriviledged. What is the point in helping those who already have the means!
I was trying to explain this in the historical context. If you disagree, I respect that, you are welcome to your opinion.
RE:Revisting OBC
by Your Nemesis on Apr 13, 2008 03:51 AM Permalink
Pathur, all I resent about your opinion is that you haven't understood that there is no better affirmative action to eradicate caste system than providing education to as many as possible. And reservation is the corner stone in achieving this, at this juncture of history.
The brahmins use higher education and elite institutes as their fortress to keep the rest of the society away from jobs and the social status they enjoy. Tough entrance exams and higher cut-offs are a means to humiliate others. Our point is, we don't need world class institutes. what is the use of a few previleged garnering the limited college seats, when more than half of the society live as destitudes? The merit that brahmins talk is the pre-admission qualification. How can you expect first-generation students to compete with m'er fkers who has been doing nothing but learning for generations? We want the post-admission education, which will level up the society. The brahms hate the society getting leveled. We say balls. We don't ask anymore, we take. And we don't take it like the greedy brahms. We just take the % equal of our population.
The only other better affirmative action is inter-caste marriages. But we know it won't happen without people getting educated. Any which way you see, reservation is a blessing to current Indian society.
The filthy greedy brahms need to understand one thing - No force on earth can stop the power of an idea whose time has come. The universal mind has just acted.
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by hpn hpn on Apr 13, 2008 06:07 AM Permalink
Well everyone can cleary see that you are filled with hatred. You may have your reasons to hate "bhramins" but you should try and think as to what is motivating you. Is it the desire to succeed in life or too seek revenge? Oh, BTW i am bhramin married to a obc and i am opposed to any crutches for my kids
If it is education that is the imediment, then I submit that education be made free all the way till end of high school, making it afordable and giving all the equal opportunity to educate themselves. Also as the Apex court has observed, if the benefits of this affirmative action should reach the real needy the creamy layer should be excluded, which is welcome -- they can use thier means to go to any institution of thier choice including foreign ones.
Albeit entitled to your opinon, I respectfully submit that ir borders hate and fundamentalism -- something that the society is trying hard to get away from.
Also if the ballot proves your contentions, in a democracy that will be respected. However the constitution and the law should not be subverted to achieve narrow aims.
But OBC s are different in diff parts of India..They may have rules some parts of India in some point of time in the past..But generally they were not the predominant rulers of India.
What we are witnessing today is a natural course of events. Since we are in a democratic setup and the Brahmin's order in place it is inevitable that cast formations are becoming stronger..Since the Royal lineage has given ways to political masters, the rules of the game has changed. Now it is a number game. The casts which has numbers have the power to make legislations that suits them. In a democracy, it only numbers that matters. So no one is bothering too much about upper casts which are fewer in number.
This situation can only continue with even more events happening in the same way..If we look at the protests against the bill, it is virtually non existent in the real India..in the streets where people live there is no protest.It is only limited to media..But of late even the media has lost its credibility and it looks more like lost case for upper casts. It will be in their interest to keep a low profile not to irritate the powerful OBC. It is all the more dangerous as most of the OBCs are first class goons and the soft upper cats are no match to them..
It is sad reality to which the upper class of India is waking up to. It will take some time for the feeling to sink in though..!!
