For UP/Bihar people it is very difficult to understand why these Vidarbhi farmers commit suicide? Life is about living and not about giving up. If life is difficult, try to change it, instead of giving up on it. I saw a sad photo in a magazine recently where some people in a Vidarbhi village had put the sign: 'This village is for sale'. And the village indeed looked pathetic. On the one hand we have lavish builgings in Mumbai, on the other hand we have these suicide committing farmers of Vidarbha. And while all this is happening Sharad Pawar (the union minister for agriculture) is busy with cricketing matters. A classic example of Nero fiddles while the Rome burns. Actually, I have begun to feel sorry for the ghatteeland, and ask God for forgiveness for bashing them. But what could I have done? These people organized such large scale violence against UP/Bihar people in Nashik and other places. Earlier they used to practice genocide against the Muslims (remember this is the land of RSS, Hindu Maha Sabha, and Nathu Ram Godse). But, now they want to commit genocide against Hindus also. No wonder that Adolf Hitler is so popular in the ghatteeland.
RE:Why suicide?
by All Right on Mar 22, 2008 01:16 PM Permalink
Mr. UP Guy: Thanks for your attempts at journalism. There is no state called as ghatteeland in the Republic of India. Maybe you have come astray on this forum, whereas you wanted to go on to a Fiji forum? Just wondering.
RE:Why suicide?
by Manjula A on Mar 22, 2008 02:27 PM Permalink
I want to say something to Mr. U.P guy. Have you read this poem written by some rightwing german preist?
- When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out."
My question sir, is Did you speak up when people, not exactly of your clan were targeted?
RE:Why suicide?
by UP Guy on Mar 22, 2008 04:34 PM Permalink
I was always opposed to the communal violence which is practiced on a large scale against the Muslims of this country. However, I was not living in Maharashtra then and watched the horror from outside. Srikrisna commission and its non implementation and all those things... However, the list of enemies of ghattees keeps changing every year. Earlier it was against the South Indians, then Muslims, now it is UP/Bihar people, and tomorrow it will be someone else...
RE:Why suicide?
by heramb gude on Mar 22, 2008 07:29 PM Permalink
Life is about living,you say.Look at the abysmal condition in which ur UP/Biharis stay in the slums of Mumbai.If that is the way people want to live life and mock at the suicides of others,then continue enjoying life where 10 people crowd around in space where ideally one/two people stay and that too where,thousands of kms from their parents,wife and children.Oh the great and virtuos life that UP/Biharis lead that has made their states hell
RE:Why suicide?
by Ashish Kanekar on Mar 22, 2008 10:44 PM Permalink
There is no point talking to these people. They do not understand that the reason for the suicides is the shame among Maharashtrians about declaring bankruptcy. Living like animals without sanitation on footpaths is a condition they would accept rather than live in their own states.
They have screwed up their own states and now are "angry" that they are not allowed to screw up other states.
Their only two strong points are willingness to work at wages that only allow life as a subhuman(this leads to their own exploitation) and a large uncontrolled population growth that allows demographic warfare on more responsible states.
RE:Why suicide?
by heramb gude on Mar 23, 2008 11:30 AM Permalink
Agree with u,Ashish.But the message must go across to all our linguitic brothers that the real threat to India are the UP/Biharis and the threat now imminent in Maharashtra and Assam is going to spread its tentacles to all the remaining linguistic states of the country ranging from Punjab to Kerala and from Tamilnadu to West Bengal.
RE:Population control is folly?
by Manjula A on Mar 22, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
Population control has worked in most of the southern states too. But the southerners have their own rich and diverse Indian culture and hold on to it opposing the imposition of the Aryan uniculture in a more subtle manner. That's because of their love for their own language, customs, festivals, dresses, dances and songs. South Indians still wear their bindis on their foreheads. They don't empty a dabba of sindur on their heads and stop wearing bindi, like most Aryans have started doing now. The marathis should also promote their own culture, in the form of language, customs, festivals etc., instead of letting the Aryans first usurp on all that and then trying to fight it violently.
RE:Population control is folly?
by Ashish Kanekar on Mar 22, 2008 10:46 PM Permalink
All this talk of preserving culture is fine if the demography is maintained. Even in deep South India in a city like Mysore if the population is changed to majority Biharis/UPites - no amount of culture will save that city from falling into the same despair as Bihar/UP.
RE:Population control is folly?
by Manjula A on Mar 24, 2008 11:49 AM Permalink
Well, you should look at Bangalore and Chennai and understand the difference. In Bangalore, there are too many pubs, discos etc and there are too many people from outside Karnataka. The result is that even the local Kannadigas who are otherwise quite moralistic, after indulging with the north-Indians also engage in promiscuity. But in Chennai, there are people from outside but an indiscriminate growth of pubs and discos has been prevented, instead there are libraries and temples. The rare discos that are, usually contain only North Indians, Christians or Brahmins. Tamil non-brahmins are virtually absent from such places. And thus the culture and morality of the locals stands maintained.
RE:Population control is folly?
by Eagle on Mar 22, 2008 08:32 PM Permalink
Population already in control for hindus. Muslims populations increasing left and right. Hindus are not responsible for Mus population. UP West has rich heritage and most advanced. At the same time UP east has more Mus, Dalit and they are still struggling due to Govt corruption. Same time, I want to add one thing like all indian states have some underdeveloped area like Vidha, Telanga, kuchh etc
The original rich Indian culture was very very diverse. So the original Indian understand and respect diversity. But the Aryan who arrived in 1500 BCE in India had a uniculture and fail to understand diversity. They have succeeded in imposing their Uni Aryan Culture on the people of India to a very good extent. But there is still some resistance. As long as the destruction of the diverse Indian culture is not complete, the resistance will remain. And Will be crushed BRUTALLY, like it has always been, for the past 3500 years.
RE:Not disparity but diversity
by Manjula A on Mar 22, 2008 10:57 AM Permalink
The original Indians, whether in Maharashtra or anywhere else know how to co-exist peacefully, with the diversity, without imposing each others customs or culture on each other but the Aryanists can't live like that. They want to impose their promiscuous uniculture on all Indians which is not happening. That is what results in such fights.
Is it not true that ghattees family lives are troubled? (case of Mahajan family, for instance) And that ghattees are typically addicted to drugs (case of Rahul Mahajan doing drugs with his fathers ashes lying next to him)? Is it not true that divorce is skyrocketing among the ghattees (Rahul Mahajan goes for divorce within one year of marriage)? If you don't acknowledge your faililngs, how will you solve them?
RE:Is it not true?
by Manjula A on Mar 22, 2008 02:43 PM Permalink
Marathees being more Indian are definitely more like to take a legal way out of an unworkable marriage instead of indulging in prmiscuity like most of the Aryans do.
RE:Is it not true?
by UP Guy on Mar 22, 2008 04:36 PM Permalink
M'am, I am beginning to like you for your persistence. But please stay away from me, because, as you say, I am a promiscuous Aryan...
RE:Is it not true?
by All Right on Mar 22, 2008 01:17 PM Permalink
Mr. UP Guy: Are you a fake journalist or record keeper of Mahajan family? To me, you appear to be a complete washout in either role.
RE:Is it not true?
by UP Guy on Mar 22, 2008 08:38 AM Permalink
UP/Bihar leaders are accused of being corrupt. Coming back to Mahajan family, how did Pramod Mahajan make so much of money in such a short time? Was it through honest means? Are people like Narayan Rane very honest? How about Deshmukh (the CM), Thakre family...? List goes on...
RE:Is it not true?
by Ashish Kanekar on Mar 22, 2008 11:28 AM Permalink
Ok so you keep your Bihar/UP pols like Lallu and his 9 or 10 or whatever number of kids.
We will keep the likes of Bal Thackeray and his 3 sons.
Uttar Pradesh:19.3%, Bihar: 11% , AP:7% WB: 7%, MP:6.7%, TN: 5.3%, KAN:5.4%, Raj:5.6% Ori:5.1%, Maha:5%, Guj:3.5%, Is same distribution applicable for expenses? There are huge loss for UP & Bihar. After contrbuting more than 30% in revinue, These states should get more money for development. Why known as Bimaru states if they have rich resources? UP & Bihar should put the more taxes on food items for other states to maintain the growth rate.
RE:Union Taxes & Duties Statewise earning: Budget 2008
by heramb gude on Mar 22, 2008 07:37 PM Permalink
Three states-Maharashtra,Gujarat and Tamilnadu contribute 40% to the government exchequer and most of this money goes into the black holes of UP/Bihar.Why should other states take the burden upon themselves to sustain the ever-expanding population of UP/Bihar
RE:Union Taxes & Duties Statewise earning: Budget 2008
by Eagle on Mar 22, 2008 08:14 PM Permalink
Maharashtra,Gujarat and Tamilnadu contribute 40% to the government exchequer
RE:@UP guy
by VS on Mar 22, 2008 03:35 AM Permalink
i piity ur sense... remebr no person or individual or politician can defeat nature or GOD... nd dont count some languages powerfull nd othr week....even a powerfulll storm seems to be weak against a mountain..... so we r mountains of our respective cultures(punjabi or marathi or tamil or malayli or gujrati...) nd ur UP nd bihari storms willl be nthng in front of us.... u wll taste the dust nd guttr in coming time....
RE:RE:@UP guy
by VS on Mar 22, 2008 03:36 AM Permalink
we dont hate hindi(like u guys hate Our languages nd culture) but we luv our language nd culture more thn hindi(like u people).. telll me wats wrong in tht... did we ask u to follow us in ur state... NO... thn y u interfere in our culture.... tell me who is prudishhh here... me or U....
RE:@UP guy
by udito xurjyo on Mar 22, 2008 03:56 AM Permalink
the first step to solve a problem is knowing it and acknowledge it. so know ur strength and weakness ( mass migration due to ur politician and above them urselve), no one can help u if u don't help urself
