USA was never,is not & will never be interested in India's growth unless it increases their growth 10-fold. 1)US as of now want only smart brilliant indians to work for them. Hence the brain drain. 2 birds in 1 shot as it improves US technology at the same time crippling India's
2)US does not like the fact China is growing( by that i dont mean population!!). Hence to counter China's growth US supports India so that India China with negate each other's economies by constantly being at silent war. Just like US fostered Mujahideen & misc to counter USSR. US always supported Pakistan against India all these years...now that they have cripples Pakistan they are on to cripple India.!!!
Think twice Americans are selfish greedy people. They don't care about rest of the humans...only about themselves...otherwise why would they make such a ruckus when food prices went up ..& the average american had to spend say 10-20% more on food. They shouted against the fact that starving Indians got to eat food....that too they didn't get their facts right!!
Australia is the tail of America...US needs australia only for the nuclear fuel. US tells australia what to sell to whom. The Australian PM is equally foolish as Bush. He held an Indian captive calling him a terrorist & made remarks even though there was no solid evidence. Australian PM should remember that he is an Australian. We all know about australia's history & that is reflected in their Cricket too!!!!
Since the beginning of 123 agreement, these scintists were opposing and the whole nation is against it. Eventhough Congress leader MM Singh wants to sign this N-deal is disheartening us.
The sage and grave advice of the top scientists is consistently being blocked and blanked out. This is the reason that such an important press release is put up only on this website and not in a single daily newspaper. Another interesting, though worrisome thing is that such news appear in regional/vernacular papers (example: Vijay Karnataka in Kannada) but not a single English daily!! What can one conclude? That all our English media are under the command and control of the Congress/ Central govt who in turn are under the control of external powers (US,NATO,etc). It is unfortunate that we have handed the reigns of power to a ruthlessly corrupt regime which has installed an absolutely spineless figurehead as the PM who is so mindlessly single-tracked in his approach and policy outlook that he is obsessed to have the 123-deal signed and sealed to the detriment of the nation. The time has come for the nation to rise as one against this coterie resolutely and strongly to put down and send to trash not just the deal but the evil regime too if it remains hell-bent to pursue the course of enslaving the nation to the interests of US and others.
RE:Scientists Blanked Out
by Chakravarthy Muralidhar on Jun 24, 2008 02:41 PM Permalink
This press release of the eminent nuclear scientists should be viewed in the light of another very important statement made by the Director of the IGCAR, Kalpakkam, Dr.Baldev Raj just yesterday and reported in the "New Indian Express" exclusively. He has stated that India's first 500 MW prototype fast breeder reactor (PFBR) is fast nearing completion and will go critical in Sept 2010. He has further stated that 4 more FBRs of 500 MW each would be constructed between 2010 and 2020. After this India will go for 1000 MW FBRs. One of the great features of FBRs is that they produce more nuke fuel than they consume. So if we have enough FBRs then technically we can almost produce double the fuel consumed in a short cycle time. But this also needs the use of metallic uranium than the mixed oxide fuel presently being used. However, this requires intensive R&D effort, which is now underway at Kalpakkam. Dr.Baldev Raj is very confident that the team of able scientists at Kalpakkam will master this most sought-after tachnology and know-how eluding even France and Russia because India's FBR technology is far more advanced and superior to that developed by them. But what really Dr. Raj, who is an eminent Nuclear Metallurgist, means by the above statements is that Indian nuke research establishment is on the threshold of great developments, all of which need unstinted support and non-interference from the govt in general and polico-buraucratic set up in particular.This is not happening.
RE:Scientists Blanked Out
by riten dash on Jun 24, 2008 02:55 PM Permalink
Indian press and media are funded by Saudi Arabia and Church Funds.Accordingly facts are reported only as a default.It would be naive on our part to think any country USA,Russia or any other will give us a major deal without first protecting their own business and political interests.It is upto us to negotiate properly so that our short term goals are achieved and long term interests are protected.But unfortunately our politicians only want to win elections at any cost to the country so that their ill-gotten wealth multiplies.
R v so scared of US...US WILL DO THIS...us will do that... we are a part of the new changing world..a world with new power equations...the power is shifting to asia...(India & China)USeeds a strong ally in asia...india is its only option...we shuld be making the best use of the situation...instead we are so scared...
RE:R V SCARED OF US
by DAWA JACOB on Jun 24, 2008 02:33 PM Permalink
its a deal...a agreement...where there are 2 parties lukng @ there mutual benifits...may b you dnt realise what china has achieved..the asian economies are dong better the the world economies..you can say we indian will always be laging behind...caus we are not confident to take on the world...U & I can blabber about our apprehensions...but there are experts who wuld b knowing more then what we know...they would be better people to take informed decissions...n what safe guards u talking about?
RE:R V SCARED OF US
by Guest on Jun 24, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
dude..type hyde act in google and read it... look at the cost India are paying for this deal. and then read 123 Agreement to see what u r getting in return. U would realise the reasons for being scared. have fun
I would like to remind Our respected Prime Minister that national interest is more important than his personal interest. Please do not make nuke deal your personal prestige issue. nothing is more than national ineterst. We reauest you to stop acting selfish and do what is good for the country. His stance on the nuke deal gives the impression that he is more interested in his reputation and personal agenda. Hope the UPA will act in the best interet of the country and give more considerations on deals implications on national security.
RE:Mr.PM, National Interest is bigger that your personal interest
by DAWA JACOB on Jun 24, 2008 01:59 PM Permalink
probably you not realising that the PM is acting in the best interest of the country.. he would have been selfish if he wuld have bow down to the pressure of petty politics...just to be the PM.
RE:Mr.PM, National Interest is bigger that your personal interest
by All Right on Jun 24, 2008 02:10 PM Permalink
:-)... Wish that was true... to this date he has shown every instinct of continuing (for more than one year now). Do you seriously believe in this "do this or I will step down" still?...
RE:Mr.PM, National Interest is bigger that your personal interest
by DAWA JACOB on Jun 24, 2008 02:14 PM Permalink
he has left himself with no options....he is @ a point of no return...lets hope that eiter we get a nuke deal or a new PM...ANYWAYS SHULD BE GOOD FOR THE NATION
I have read through the chain of messages and the article it follows. I hate to ask this, but are we not quite pessimistic? No offense meant, but there is one thing I've noticed here. Neither the so called 'retired expert' author(no offense/disrespect meant) nor the esteemed persons who have commented on it, have touched uopn the topic 'If not Nuclear Energy, then what?' We can blindly say tht the deal is harmful and that we dont need it. But what about the Energy crisis? The population of our country is increasing alarmingly. Neither you are nor I am ready to cut down on Petrol and Diesel consumption by reducing car/bike rides. No industry is reducing its power requirement. No family is switching off and saving valuable power. How do we, in future, power all this? Even as one source of energy - Oil has become more costly, the prices of every commodity and everything imaginable has increased. Our country is losing valuable foreign exchange paying for the Oil price rise. When a single energy source can cause this kindof damage and when the requirement will NEVER decrease, are we not supposed to look for alternate sources or energy? All the developed nations and many of the developing nations are already utilising this source fervently. Where do we stand?
RE:What other option?
by rajeev on Jun 24, 2008 01:42 PM Permalink
What other option?.Continue what we know and do.That is build more hydro and wind power plants(wherever possible).Try to develop other uranium sources..etc.Manmohan singh is giving the impression with nuclear deal the nergy landscape of india is going to change for better;which is far from truth.The expensive power from imported nuclear reactors cannot make us wealthy.Even with the proposed nuclear deal india will be meeting hardly 5% of it's energy needs from nuclear power.
RE:What other option?
by Ramachandran on Jun 24, 2008 02:05 PM Permalink
For running our present nuke plants , we are sacrificing our wings being cut throgh this DEAL!!.Our future Energy security lies in Thorium based Fast reactor technology, as outlined and being implemented by Bhabha and follwers. We have big reserves of Monasite sand , sufficent for Future India. This deal deal categorises Fast reactor technology being developed in our country as Military installation. They can inspect our Fast Reactors on suspision and put a hold on developmentof these reactors, as USA has NO fast reactor programme. If they are giving something we should be very careful before accepting. for example they Gave CRAY computer when we ourselves gained knowledge to build one like that.
RE:What other option?
by DAWA JACOB on Jun 24, 2008 02:18 PM Permalink
its an agreement which can be re worked if need arises...its not saying that the agreement is perenial with no changes...so lets chill ...n we are Indians..so lets not talk wt US has...tets talk about what we can get.
RE:What other option?
by motor mouth on Jun 24, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
I see a lot of CIA agents here...i saw somebody talk about diverting all the defence spend to something....what losers!...ARE U CHINESE spy...At a time when china's defence budget is soaring away to glory ...stupid ppl like u suggest cuts in defence budgets...ppl like u shld be kickd out of the country first...
RE:RE:What other option?
by Jai Max on Jun 24, 2008 02:09 PM Permalink
Please do not copy and paste the same messages all over again. Say something new
RE:What other option?
by Jai Max on Jun 24, 2008 01:45 PM Permalink
Well said. In fact if the deal goes through most of the investment in to these new reactors would come from other countries including the US. If there is any disruption in supply of fuel, it is their investment that would be affected. Like most American companies are fighting to get more H1B visas for Indian software engineers, they would fight to prevent disruptions primarily to safeguard their investments. it is time for us to act smart and take smart decisions and not get embroiled in to irrelevant dogmas
RE:What other option?
by motor mouth on Jun 24, 2008 01:48 PM Permalink
we are supposed to look for alternate sources of energy but at the cost of national security. it would have been more fruitful had the govt pursued deals with oil producing nations as aggressively as it is doing for the nuke deal. Nuke deal doesnt gaurentee any fuel security to india and it opens indian nuclear facilities to foreign inspection. This will have grave implications on india's independent nuclear research. If india has to sustain its current pase of growtn it will have to depend on Oil as nuclear energy alone cannot fulfill this demand. Nuclear energy is a very smalll percentage of the total energy consumption of any country. Its not in the best interest of the country to put its security at risk for an energy resource which is still going to be a very small percentage of its total consumption.
RE:What other option?
by Jai Max on Jun 24, 2008 02:08 PM Permalink
How many more bombs you need to ensure national security? Do you think nuclear wars would be ever fought? If ever that eventuality happens none of us including the US would be left to feel sorry about it. Let India become a global torch bearer for peace, ahimsa and all that is good on this earth. Let us not be fooled in to believing that India would become a great country by possessing more nuclear bombs. India has achieved more national pride because of the progress we have made in software industry than detonating bombs. Nuclear bomb based security is an outdated concept.
Yeah... let us become a full fledged torch bearer for Ahimsa. Get the defence budget down to zero, and divert all Army personnel to build wind powered electricity stations.. Country's energy situation will improve drastically
RE:RE:What other option?
by DAWA JACOB on Jun 24, 2008 02:23 PM Permalink
not a bad idea...wind power ...not sure... dat was funny... we need to develop nuclear bombs biger ones...cause the only country we compete with in the whole wide world is pakistan..we can add few more.bangladesh... what the point developing some premitive stiff.
RE:What other option?
by DAWA JACOB on Jun 24, 2008 02:05 PM Permalink
what king of national security are we talking about here?y every thing we do with other country has to be related with national security... with the changing global scene India & China will have to assume bigger roles...y is india always laging behind when it comes to lukng in to the future.Y R WE SCARED TO DEAL WITH THE WORLD..or is it that we can only do dadagiri with bhutan,nepal,afganistan such powerless countries.
Intellectuals should have sounded this warning a long time back. Since most of the decisions of the ruling party ( group of parties) are not merely based on reason alone. They have pool the opinion of majority either to fool the people or provide 'aam, avaas and avakas (opportunity) if they multiply their tribe. Since congress is fearing the hissing sounds of communists and thereby shivering to say any thing now. All parties have come together with a view to keep BJP away. This secular cover and slogan may not last for long. Before India becomes a well tamed sheep in the eyes of outsiders, it has to stand before the world boldly and say that they are one& only one. Then only we can protect our freedom and prosperity. Else history will not forgive the rulers of the day. Growth is life and history can show some light [ both ups and downs that took place in past] to guide us. It is left to our discriminatory powers that we have inculcated in our youth through our education and moral values to decide.
1. Indians lack true patriotism. [ T/F] 2. Unity in diversity is temporary phenomenon [ T/F]
3. Too much attachment towards his mother tongue, caste, religion, region and cultural traits makes people selfish [ T/F] 4. Abject poverty, helpless medical,police and educational systems will ruin the pride of the people and their nation [T/F] 5. Pursuing only commercial activities with objective of maximizing profit will kill the spirit of moral values adopted for centuries. [T/F]
RE:WHO CARES THIS VOICE?
by sundar auronan on Jun 24, 2008 10:45 PM Permalink
The same scientists have already expressed their views many times through the Press but the govt. has simply ignored the voice because it is not in tune with theirs.The Hindu has published so many of their articles and news items in the past 7 or 8 months. Initially there were more scientists were opposing but at later stages some of them were reined. Before giving your opinions please be informed well and avoidbeing casual because these things are of national importance and many people are reading this to know things better. Auronan
