RE:Muslims believe they have sole rights to get angry , not others
by Pawan Hansoti on Jun 07, 2008 06:33 PM Permalink
A can understand your hate for Muslims and Islam, the price of one barrel of oil today is US.$.138.00. I pray it goes to US.$.1000 per barrel. These SIMI people, they should do nothing or are they hand in glove with the knickerwalas.
RE:Muslims believe they have sole rights to get angry , not others
by GRJ on Jun 12, 2008 08:43 AM Permalink
Dont u hink this was the very reason the west was fighting against these 'blackmailer oil sellers' ????
They rose fromrags to riches..... and are even funding terror.
Are they not guilty inspite of what ever religion they practise???........
KILLERs who are newly rich and who dont know how to use their newly acquired affluence for peaceful purposes ????
RE:Muslims believe they have sole rights to get angry , not others
by Shyam on Jul 01, 2008 11:05 AM Permalink
In fact, Hyderabad was witnessing a muslim vandalism almost every year upto 1982 during Ganesh Idol Nimajjan procession. From somewhere somebody would start pelting stones, then follows arson, loot, killing, police firing, curfiews in a series. This went on for over a decade upto 1983 when the ruling party changed. As you have rightly pointed out, the fanatic group needs some cause and they are ready with arms to create problems. Ayodhya or Godhra are excuses supported by today's politicians. How long should we endure these terrorists?
All this "siege mentality" and exclusiveness, backed by an illusion that their's is the "true" religion - will result in blood-shed. What amazes me is that SIMI should think that by creating upheavals in India, muslims would not be affected by it and that SIMI itself will emerge victorious to claim some sort of prize? India is too large for any terrorist organisation to over-come. All the terrorism in Mumbai - did they stop India's economy from growing or Mumbai's economy? SIMI would, eventually, antagonise ordinary muslims. Who could ever be a winner from what SIMI is doing? It certainly won't be SIMI. Such a waste of time and energy. There is so much positive and nice about India, these guys are trying to blow up people in baazaars. Leading a secret life, some men wearing Burqa, pretending to be women, hiding RDX in Meat shops, wasting their youth in such anger and silliness.
RE:Inspiration
by Kris iyer on Jun 06, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
Yes, Islam, as interpreted by angry Mullahs in Madrassas. It is not the Islam of SUFI saints, even Hindus worship. At present, Islam has this capacity to "isolate" its followers from others. Turn them against non-muslims. I am not sure that it is a strength. What thoughtful muslims must notice is that there is no Islamic minority in this world that is happy with its lot. U.K., U.S.A., France, Germany, Spain, Russia, Thailand, Philippines - all have Islamic minorities. In each country, the muslims have a different grievance. In all the "white" or "gora" countries, it is the Iraq invasion by USA, in Philippines it is the Christian majority rule muslims do not like, likewise in Thailand Buddhist majority rule. Nothing like "communal riots" in Thailand and Philippines and yet a lot of killings of non-muslims by radical muslims is happening, even now. Hindus also are minorities in the USA and UK - countries that have supported Pakistan consistently over Kashmir, supplying arms to that country. Should Hindu youth wage "Dharam Yudh" in USA and UK. Pakistan and B'desh have reduced the sizeable Hindu minority to the present very low levels. Should Hindus form secretive "bomb units" to cause chaos in these countries? SIMI thinks they are the only ones with grievances, special grievances. justifying all this terrorism. They are wrong. Every group in India has some very strong grievances. They are not acting like SIMI.
RE:Inspiration
by deepak on Jun 07, 2008 12:09 AM Permalink
Most sufi saints were radical Islamist who worked with the back up of soldiers. None of these so called Sufis had any love for Hindus or Hinduism which they considered jahil & jahiliyat...it is said the Sufi saint Hazrat Shah Jalal who proselytized in Bengal dropped severed heads of cows in village wells...the soldiers would then blackmail innocent villagers to becoming Muslims who would otherwise be ostracized from the community. Deceit, force and lies have always been the main force for any predatory proselytizing religion, particularly Islam. Hindus worship anything with a hint of divinity, which is why they flock at grave sites of these mostly unedifying 'sufi saints'.
RE:Inspiration
by Kris iyer on Jun 07, 2008 07:12 AM Permalink
Deepak, Thanks for the info., on Hazrat Shah Jalal. It is crucial. I now recall reading about him converting Bengali hindus in the rural areas. I accept that conversion was a strong motive for many Sufis. All their travels around India, singing in villages, should remind one of Christian missionaries. The dropping of "Gow Manss" (cow meat) in village wells was a practice adopted by soldiers - well authenticated in Mughul records themselves.
You are right in your view, "Hindus worship anything with a hint of divinity". I went to the Ajmeer Dargha in Rajasthan, seeking inspiration. As I was claiming the ten or so steps to the Dargah, I was met by a man who took me to another man sitting at the entrance to the main hall. He came to the point straight away. "How much can you donate?" as he opened a Register, with his pen poised to write my name and the amount. I said I am travelling through Rajasthan. I need to make donations to the many Mandhirs I am visiting. Rs.80/- is all I can afford." He appeared to lose interest. He said, "Please give it to the man inside." Around the "samadhi", there were men standing with lots of rupee notes in their hands. To my surprise, there were three of them, one in each corner of the structure. I gave them each Rs.20/- (Rs.60/-), the other Rs.20/- I distributed to some people outside. To be honest, I had no time to focus on Saint "Chishti". I do not think I will go back there again. But I still enjoy some Sufi poetry.
RE:Inspiration
by Virgo on Jun 07, 2008 10:18 AM Permalink
Kris, Sufism is nothing unique. All its main mysticism teachings are borrowed from Hinduism. All mainstream Muslims such as the Salafi, Wahabi, Deobandi, Sunni, Shiite etc. consider Sufis as non-Muslims as the mysticism they teach is not part of either the Quran or mohamad's teachings. You must read the books written by Anwar Shaik, a pakistani philosopher. where he analyzes the Sufi mysticism and debunks them.
I agree with Deepak. The sufis were proselytizers and anti-Hindu
RE:Inspiration
by Kris iyer on Jun 10, 2008 05:36 PM Permalink
Virgo, Thanks for the info. This site is proving to be useful to me, in terms of exchanging views and ideas also.
SIMI have been influenced by Deobandi Islam which is a Muslim revivalist movement that started in India in 1879. It is perhaps most famous in the west as the philosophy of the past Taliban government in Afghanistan. Its slogan is "Allah is our Lord, Qur’an is our constitution, Muhammad is our leader, Jihad is our way and Shahadah is our desire". SIMI believes that Osama bin Laden is an outstanding example of a true Mujahid, who has undertaken Jihad on behalf of the 'ummah'. They also believe the 9/11 attacks were by Israel's Mossad.
Their ideology stands accused by certain watchdog organisations as diametrically opposed to all "un-Islamic" streams of thought, including Hinduism and a secular government as practiced in India. They are also against Western values [3]. Among its various objectives, SIMI aims to counter what it believes is the increasing moral degeneration, sexual anarchy in the Indian society as also the ‘insensitiveness’ of a ‘decadent’ west. SIMI maintains that the concepts of secularism, democracy and nationalism, keystones of the Indian Constitution, are antithetical to Islam. They aim to restore the supremacy of Islam through the resurrection of the Khilafat, emphasis on the Muslim Ummah and the waging of Jihad [4].
RE:wikipedia: Philosophy of SIMI
by JGN on Jun 06, 2008 04:26 PM Permalink
The Khilafat was abolished by a Muslim country (Turkey) only way back in 1924 and the impetus for the same was provided by two Indian Muslims (Ali brothers)! There is no way they can resurrect the ghost of a bye-gone era but the Mullahs brainwash the impressionable muslim youth of India by quoting some verse or other from their holy book.
Leave just one generation out of religious studies (or teach them only after they attain the age of 25) and see how many of them believe in the religious dogmas.
I posted this message 2 hours back and it was marked abusive and got removed. Howmany of you think there is anything abusive in the below lines?
I wrote...
Friends,
How many Muslims have you seen who create problems. In your surrounding are there muslims living?. How many of them you see talking hatred, violence etc or acting rude against you or even looking at you with bad eyes?. Do you see any at all?. I am sure you do not. Kindly do not judge a religion or a community based on the media news or by a act of a handful. Live with them, understand them and then comment.
Understand the wider propganda created by the POWERFUL of the world. And see how they are using innocents to create an atmosphere. See and figure it out yourself what is happening to the States and People who oppose them.
RE:Islam/Muslims
by Indian on Jun 06, 2008 03:57 PM Permalink
if this is the case then why madarsa and mosque are not issuing fatwa against govt for not hanging Afzal
u guys speak vry cleverly here about peace and do just opposite
RE:Islam/Muslims
by Vivek Harry on Jun 06, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
How many kafirs have you seen around you and how many of them are evil, how many are creating problems for you, how many are talking hatred, violence, do you see any at all. I am sure you do not. Kindly do not judje a community by the act of a handful. LIve with them, understand them and then comment. understand the wider propaganda created by the mullahs and your founder and see how they are using innocent kafirs to create an atmosphere. See and figure out what has happened to the people who have not believed and opposed your true faith. I sincerely hope, people like you one day realise that all kafirs are not evil because some false godman and some false divine book preached so. My best wishes. In the meantime, you can do research on ridda wars.
RE:Islam/Muslims
by Shyam on Jul 01, 2008 11:10 AM Permalink
Remember, a drop of poison is sufficient to spoil a barrel of milk. Nobody said all muslims are terrorists, it is only that all terrorists are muslims. Non-terrorist muslims sympathise and support the terrorist muslims, give them shelter, food and guard them from police. Any right thinking person would never support or give shelter to terrorist, whichever community they may belong to.
RE:Islam/Muslims
by tanveer Khan on Jul 01, 2008 12:32 PM Permalink
Shyam who are the followers of LTTE , ULFA , Maoist , Bodos , Naxals , Gorkhas , Mukti Vahinis , VHP , RSS , Bajrang Dal , HJS , BJP , they are all Hindu Terrorists organisations and they have killed more Hindus than even the Brain washed SIMI or HUJI Terrorists and YES we refuse to accept the SIMI & HUJI as Muslims as they are not acting as per Islam had they been asting as per Islam they would'nt be doing this killing innocent people . Yes all Terrorists are not Muslims intil this is what you believe till then you will not be able to sideline the terrorists in our midst , the terrorists have not religion , they follow what have been fed to them by their false teachers and no Religion should be blamed for the act of a few .
RE:Islam/Muslims
by nilesh sanghar on Jun 06, 2008 03:57 PM Permalink
all indians brothers dont fight make our country a super power.... figthing internally will not earn anything but will weaken us.... so think deeply... it is just high profile plan of westerners using mindless pakis/bangld to disturb us.... they cant digest india and china coming up.... for china they r using tibet/taiwan...WAKE UP...and this pakis/bangld cant digest and r jealous about indian muslims who r progressing in all fields so trying to de-stablize them... indian muslims WAKE UP & dont support isi
RE:RE:Islam/Muslims
by Indian on Jun 06, 2008 03:59 PM Permalink
to make an Item a masterpeice it has to edit its limitation...likewise if u r dreaming of India as superpower than separate dese ill thought people
turkey / uae / morroco are the best example of moderate muslim countries who believes & thinks in developing its nation....people lives a gud life .....indian muslims who favor pakistan/ simi shud visit these countries and learn ... if not then go to see the lifes of people of [especially females] in afghanistan, tribal pakistan... india is far better for living ...SO DO NOT SUPPORT SIMI , HUJI, LeT etc....
RE:RE:simi
by aamirkhan on Jun 06, 2008 03:47 PM Permalink
nilesh even countries like bosnia,albania and most recent kosovo in europe ,and countries like tajhikistan,turkmenistan,uzbekistan ,azerbhaijan abkhazia ,chechnya in central asia are highly developed and disciplined islamic nations
RE:simi
by nilesh sanghar on Jun 06, 2008 03:56 PM Permalink
yes very true aamir.... all indians brothers dont fight make our country a super power.... figthing internally will not earn anything but will weaken us.... so think deeply... it is just high profile plan of westerners using mindless pakis/bangld to disturb us.... they cant digest india and china coming up.... for china they r using tibet/taiwan...WAKE UP...and this pakis/bangld cant digest and r jealous about indian muslims who r progressing in all fields so trying to de-stablize them... indian muslims WAKE UP & dont support isi
