These traitors are deliberately using misinformation campaigns to confuse the public. (Goebbels style propoganda)
The fact of the matter is that India currently has very low uranium reserves and hence all the reactors r running at 30-40%. We are desperate for uranium. This deal will give India a reserve of uranium which will last for the lifetime of the reactor.
RE:Deshdrohi commies and khakhi chaddis.........
by All Right on Jul 13, 2008 07:39 AM Permalink
:) No wonder the same people who didn't take enough safeguards before creating those reactors are the ones supposedly safeguarding further national interests... And Tiger Man talking about misinformation campaigns, whereas the most funny misinformation has been conducted right under his/her nose by the esteemed duo of Singh and Mukherjee.. :-) Carry on Tiger.... an apt title for another one in that great comic series..
RE:RE:Deshdrohi commies and khakhi chaddis.........
by TIGER MAN on Jul 13, 2008 07:46 AM Permalink
u r chinese propoganda ain't gonna work mate........
We are going on to sign the deal much to the frustration of u and ur chinese masters.
RE:Deshdrohi commies and khakhi chaddis.........
by All Right on Jul 13, 2008 08:23 AM Permalink
OK Congress stooge.. by the way I am not a commie... so you can dhill out..
RE:Deshdrohi commies and khakhi chaddis.........
by TIGER MAN on Jul 13, 2008 10:09 AM Permalink
so China has given instructions to their agents to hide their identity?
RE:Deshdrohi commies and khakhi chaddis.........
by PHALGUNI MUKHOPADHYAY on Jul 13, 2008 10:39 AM Permalink
if anybody is there who will help me with some money which is required for my daughters medical treatment at cmc velore.
Just imagine the following; 1. India is banned to deal with any country for nuclear technology. Why? India is not signatory to NPT. 2. India has tested device twice in violation to NPT. 3. India had faced sanctions on nuclear technology from all countries after 1st test in 1974. India faced the situation. Then also testing was not permitted, even now it is not permitted. Except for 5 states. 4. Thru this deal India gets exposed to N-commerce, N-techology and fuel supply. We should see the brighter side. What happens in future should be understood, but not made as a limiting factor for not signing the deal. 5. With this deal our N-reactors would start producing power is a big gain.
We have to accept the fact; When you get something, you need to give something in return. Here since there no compromise on India's strategic security, lets go ahead.
Go ahead PM and the present government. Even BJP will go ahead with this deal if it comes to power, with this text and no changes.
RE:India under N-ban till now
by Vikram on Jul 13, 2008 06:39 AM Permalink
You are right. India should not be left behind in the nuclear(tech & power) race. But most people in India don't have a clue of it's basic importance, sadly. If only the congress took some efforts to give good education to the children in the 50 years or so they ruled, instead of being so much bothered about swindling taxpayer money into swiss bank, they wouldn't be in a quagmire that they are facing now.
Hyde Act is only an enabling legislation , to enable the US Govt to sign an agreement with India, which is a non-signatory of the Non-proliferation agreement.The Hyde act directs the US President to do a few things. It does not direct India to do anything.It is for the US Pdt to send reports to his Congress about what is happening in the civilian nuclear reactors in India. It is none of our business to question what the US Pdt has to report to his Parliament. He may even assess India's strengths and weaknesses in his own way and report to his Govt/Congress. It is in any case an internal law of the US and we need not worry about that sice we are an independent nation and not subject to the US laws.
RE:n deal
by Gopal on Jul 13, 2008 10:51 AM Permalink
Friend, Please see the contentious issues in the Hyde act 1. No freedom to handle spent fuel. 2. No guarantee for alternate fuel supply 3. India is not a technology developer but a recepient. 4. India to side with US in NPT 5. India to participate with US National Security Administration for NPT. 6. Reporting of US President on the efforts of India in containing IRAN. 7. India denied space related dual use technology 8. India denied strategic planning of nuclear programms. 9. Stopped India in the production of fissile materials. 10.No joint move for universal nuclear disarmament. 11.All future agreeents are to be in consistent with this act. Hyde act is the enabling act for the 123 agreement.
Leaders declare that all these are wrong but failed to arrange a debate in Parliament. LEFT and BJP failed in the parliament to expose the omissions
Is it not surrendering our freedom and sovereignty?
RE:n deal
by farrukh khan on Jul 13, 2008 07:02 AM Permalink
Absolutely right !!!! US has demonstrated liberty through Hyde Act. Background: 1. Due to India's advetures in 1974 and 1998 without signing NPT, no country can deal with India. 2. US and others have put India on ban list of countries for N-commerce, UNTIL INDIA SIGNS N.P.T. Result: Now US wants to deal with India; 1. US President has been allowed to deal with a N-pariah country like India. 2. Hyde Act enebles US to sign 123 agreement wih India, if it agrees to a few vague conditions. So, be it !!! 3. Hyde act helps US President to talk to us on N-commerce. Its a good act.
How? What about Hyde act. Here are the contentious points 1. No freedom to handle spend fuel. 2. No guarantee for alternate fuel supply 3. India is not a technology developer but a recepient. 4. India to side with US in NPT 5. India to participate with US National Security Administration for NPT. 6. Reporting of US President on the efforts of India in containing IRAN. 7. India denied space related dual use technology 8. India denied strategic planning of nuclear programms. 9. Stopped India in the production of fissile materials. 10.No joint move for universal nuclear disarmament. 11.All future agreeents are to be in consistent with this act. Hyde act is the enabling act for the 123 agreement.
RE:Sovereign interests protected?
by All Right on Jul 13, 2008 04:45 AM Permalink
Forget Hyde Act, first let them get the supplies for Tarapore plant which were inexplicably cut off and the plant languishing currently..
Hope they have made a clear mention to Tarapore plant in the agreement.... though nobody seems to mention it in the above story..
RE:Sovereign interests protected?
by Reporter on Jul 13, 2008 05:07 AM Permalink
Nuclear waste is DEADLY WASTE, more serious than CO2 and other emissions.
If a disaster occur in a normal power plant, we can do something to make the locality habitable.
But a nuclear disaster can make that area uninhabitable until the radio active nuclear waste is inactive and it can take may be hundreds of years.
Take the exmple of Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986. The city is still mostly uninhabited due to radioactivity.
In order to meet the rising demand for energy, invite private companies to build power plants based on conventional fuels and new renewable sources ....
If well designed power plants in the capacity of reliance refinery in jamnagar comes up in south north east and west of India, we can solve the demand, may be in 5 years time . Anybody there to bet ???
If u go for nuclear plants, it is 100000 % sure that private parties will not be involved, investemnt to be made by the govt. Where is the money for it ??? ( They cant even subsidise oil or fertilizers ) So it will be on loan from world bank or IMF ...... how many years for construction and commissioning ??? Safe storage of nuclear waste generated ( high level and low level wastes) and finally disposal of the same safely for hundreds of years
So which option is better ???
If a desalination plant is also set up with power plants, it can meet the water requirements of millions with a little additional cost ....
RE:Sovereign interests protected?
by TIGER MAN on Jul 13, 2008 07:05 AM Permalink
this happened 25 years ago during the cold war era when India n Us were on opposite sides. The world today is a completely different place now.
RE:Sovereign interests protected?
by All Right on Jul 13, 2008 08:26 AM Permalink
:) Yeah the world is a different place today.... USA has suddenly been converted into a Charity organisation... They have suddenly been converted into monks and nuns.... and they want to do universal good -- trying to repeat the good deeds in Iraq... :) Bush is a bigger philanthropist than the Pope.. :) Is that the reality?.. :)
China has made many advances in nuclear technology. It is one of the alternative fuels to oil. Why should India not take this opportunity and advance in this field ? What is so wrong about dealing with US ? Left makes claims but it is all shrouded in non-substantive allegations. I think N-deal should go ahead. IAEA safeguards is must to protect the public of India from operational hazards. Having said that, we must also make progress in other alternative fuel technology like solar/wind/hydel power which I agree are less hazardous and risky. Why not sign deals for wind power technology with some countries which are using it very well ??
RE:Go
by Nimesh Dikshit on Jul 13, 2008 03:57 AM Permalink
Because you can't. It will take 15 years before you will see any energy, at that time you will be an old mother - and there would be some other althernative energy like Solar ruling the world. There are more then 100 billion dollars involved in this project. why not ask the people in Auroville, Pondicherry - who run the whole town off of Solar - replicate that throughout the country. it will be cheaper then $100 billion - and guess what its a one time cost - then its free as long as Sun Shines! Or please offer your back yard for N-waste dump. China does not care about that - since it would either dump it in Tibet or Nepal. Where would India dump it? America is too huge and it can spare few cities in the state of Nevada - for such dump. Where would India do it?
RE:Go
by Reporter on Jul 13, 2008 05:06 AM Permalink
Nuclear waste is DEADLY WASTE, more serious than CO2 and other emissions.
If a disaster occur in a normal power plant, we can do something to make the locality habitable.
But a nuclear disaster can make that area uninhabitable until the radio active nuclear waste is inactive and it can take may be hundreds of years.
Take the exmple of Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986. The city is still mostly uninhabited due to radioactivity.
In order to meet the rising demand for energy, invite private companies to build power plants based on conventional fuels and new renewable sources ....
If well designed power plants in the capacity of reliance refinery in jamnagar comes up in south north east and west of India, we can solve the demand, may be in 5 years time . Anybody there to bet ???
If u go for nuclear plants, it is 100000 % sure that private parties will not be involved, investemnt to be made by the govt. Where is the money for it ??? ( They cant even subsidise oil or fertilizers ) So it will be on loan from world bank or IMF ...... how many years for construction and commissioning ??? Safe storage of nuclear waste generated ( high level and low level wastes) and finally disposal of the same safely for hundreds of years
So which option is better ???
If a desalination plant is also set up with power plants, it can meet the water requirements of millions with a little additional cost ....
RE:Can we trust US ???
by TIGER MAN on Jul 13, 2008 02:21 AM Permalink
YES ..YOU ARe 100% RIGHT...USA CAN NEVER BE TRUSTED....USA IS ALL A LIE...JUST LIKE GREEDY CONGRESS IS JUST A LIE..... THE ABOVE 2 CAN LIE THROUG THEIR TEETH....
India's oil price rise is because India is Dealing in US$Dollers which is constantly depriciating. Switch to Euro or other denominations Oil price hike is not much.
Can some knowedgable persons work on the calculations
RE:India's oil price
by ashish on Jul 13, 2008 01:33 AM Permalink
ha ha .. that would mean many of our people slavishly working in BPO/IT industry would end up jobless.
RE:India's oil price
by CSHut on Jul 13, 2008 02:04 AM Permalink
crude oil price has doubled in US dollar term in one year, whereas euro has appreciated only 10% in last one year against dollar. That is about 90% increase in crude oil price in euros.
You can check for yourself by going to quote.yahoo.com and putting symbol USO for oil price in dollars and FXE for euro against dollar.
