Its with intrest that one sees LEFT being such great opponent of the N-Deal. On one hand they say that the Government was in negotiation with them when they went to IAEA. Now whole world knows that LEFT will never accept the N-Deal, Infact they will NEVER accept any deal which will be good for India in any way. America is not the real reason behind it, its the Chinese who are masterminding the whole game plan against India through LEFT. LEFT is actually Last Effective Foreign fed Traitors, who feeds on millions of dollars that they get from China and pakistan. Their whole efforts and energy is utilised to check India's progress and halt it. Since when the LEFT has started to think about the interests of India. Remember in 1962, they openly backed China and wanted India to give whole of N.East to China. Its LEFT who opposed India's IT sector development by Rajiv Gandhi. Never beleive LEFT as they are snakes living amongst us.
Nuclear Deal We must view problems from a neutral point. Whether one belong to BJP, Congress, Left, etc is not significant. All these people explain things according to their line of thinking. Everyone claim that he is a Patriot. Let us discuss subject- as an Indian. Leaders here are looking for'praise' from the west.
We must think of the story of India in the fifties. It was just after the Second World War. India got independence in 1947. In the political turmoil during the struggle for independence and the confusion created by the division of India, the economy was in shambles. There was a slowdown of economy in every country. But, with all difficulties in hand, India tried to walk with head straight. The big brother politics was the rule of the day. They (Big brothers) dictated terms with the less developed countries. Many colonies gained independence. The newly formed republics joined with one of the super powers. They may have their own reasons for the attitude. But WE maintained our neutrality. We joined the nonaligned group under the leadership of Jawaharlal Nehru. When there was a threat from China, US offered the "Air Umbrella" for India. Nehru thankfully rejected it. It was a decision considering the far-sighted view of politics. "One can not live peacefully with perpetual confrontation with neighbors".
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Gopal on Jul 10, 2008 04:12 AM Permalink
In 1939 Albert Einstein wrote a letter to the President of USA regarding the possibility of developing a nuclear device by Germany. Immediately US venture into research work in nuclear physics. This work culminated in dropping a nuclear bomb in Japan which lead to the surrender of Japan and end of second world war. After the end of World War II the world took serious thought on the use of atomic energy for peaceful purposes. Einstein and such other men collaborated in this effort and a few countries got qualified to be called Nuclear Power.
During the period of intense research works in nuclear physics throughout the world, Homi Jehangir Bhabha carried out outstanding original research related to cosmic radiations in Cambridge. He returned to India in 1939 and joined the Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. While working in Bangalore he wrote a letter to Sir Dorabji Tata Trust proposing a foundation for an Institute devoted to Fundamental Research. This Institute was named as the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research (TIFR) and it developed into the nursery for 'growing' the Atomic Energy Programme in the early years. In the letter (1944) mentioned earlier Bhabha made the prophetic observation "when nuclear energy has been successfully applied for power production, in say a couple of decades from now, India will not have to look abroad for its experts but will find them ready at home".
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by Gopal on Jul 10, 2008 04:15 AM Permalink
Thus Homi Jehangir Bhabha is the acknowledged founder and prime architect of the Indian Atomic Energy programme. Nehru found the person 'Father of Atomic Energy Programme" in Bhaba.
The Indian Atomic Energy Commission was first set up in August 1948 in the then Department of Scientific Research, which was created a few months earlier in June 1948. The Department of Atomic Energy (DAE) was set up on August 3, 1954 under the direct charge of the Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru. He gave patronage to Bhaba in organizing the programs. Subsequently, in accordance with a Government Resolution dated March 1, 1958, the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) was established in the Department of Atomic Energy. Homi J Bhaba was the first Chairman of AEC and Secretary to the Government. Bhaba worked in the Nuclear Energy Programme for 22 years. (1944-66). He died in an air crash -Air India Boeing 707 near Bont Blanc in 1966. (In Alps mountain between Italy and France). Read tinyurldotcom/6xyl33 Conspiracy theories point to a sabotage intended at impeding India's nuclear program, but his death still remains a mystery. It was a heavy blow to India's Nuclear Energy Programmes. But India moved forward with eminent Scientists who are capable to continue the legacy.
RE:RE:RE:Nuclear Deal
by Gopal on Jul 10, 2008 04:17 AM Permalink
The climax came on May 18, 1974 when Indian scientists exploded a nuclear device at Pokhran in Rajasthan. India became the sixth country to join the nuclear club after US, Russia, UK, France and China. China was the fifth member in the club, joined in 1964. The existing four members could not do anything to stop China in the advancement. Then why should India is stopped to join the nuclear group? I bow my head to the Great son of India, Homi Jehangir Bhabha who relentlessly worked for taking India to the NUCLEAR CLUB. I described the whole story in such detail to let us be aware of the contributions made by eminent scientists.
We have to take a look at the conditions during the cold war period. At the end of the Second World War, the United States had a monopoly on the atomic bomb and attempted to hold on to it as long as possible. Expecting the possibility of nuclear blackmail, the Soviet Union vigorously pursued the development of its own nuclear capacities. In August 1949 the Soviets unexpectedly detonated an atomic bomb. From that moment on the United States could not use nuclear weapons as instrument of offensive warfare. contd
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by Gopal on Jul 10, 2008 04:18 AM Permalink
The US administration felt weakened by the Soviet bomb and to maintain the supremacy, decided to build the hydrogen bomb. The decision to build the hydrogen bomb, together with the formation of NATO, the creation of an independent West German state, and the insistence on keeping U.S. forces in Japan was intended to establish U.S. strength.? The US wanted to continue negotiation with USSR not from a position of weakness. ? In the US, different defense strategies were formulated. US and USSR engaged in discussions on arms controls designed to improve stability of the balance of power and to prevent nuclear proliferation. There were debates. Some felt that nuclear weapons would lower the chance of a catastrophic nuclear war. But the US policies did help the "defense industries" in US. There was sudden growth in the 'defense industries'. At present they want to retain their monopoly in the nuclear field. But we need not be concerned about this. But their progress should not be by chaining India. ?
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by Gopal on Jul 10, 2008 04:19 AM Permalink
After the end of cold war, the danger comes from less stable nations that may develop nuclear weapons. As an overall assessment the threat of nuclear war had influenced the political equations during the 20th century. The US wanted to maintain the leading role to maintain the balance of power in the world. They do not like any other country to have a say in this exercise. They now wanted India to be treated as an 'out-caste' in the whole exercise just like the treatment India had prior to the 1974 test. They manipulate every occasion to keep India chained. We are being tied at every chance available. Our politicians are just tools in their hands. Just look at what is going on now. Instead of exposing the mistakes we made in the negotiations, the MPs wasted time available during the discussions in the Parliament.
Now MMS team is selling our sovereignty and independence. Nobody knows the terms of the sale.
How come Commies are not fighting China's invasion of Sikkim and Assam!
by Jagdish Reddy on Jul 10, 2008 03:11 AM Permalink | Hide replies
I can not believe these commies! They were mum when chineese army was tresspassing Indian territory in Sikkim and Assam. But are up againt anything to do west. They suddenly remember patriotism now :) what a shaam :)
- coz, u congressmen r selling our nation to the west, in those secret pages.
- coz, u r giving away: 2,000,000,000,000.00 dollars (thats 2KB), from our nation's treasury to the west.
- coz, u r moving our once-proud-and-independent army, scientists and jawans, to become puppets in the hands of the west,
- coz, for the next 250 years, our children will be paying back this `loan-agreement` you are signing, on our behalf!
- coz, india will once again become a slave of the west, like it was for a thousand years b4 '47.
- coz, IAEA's spies (read inspectors) from porkistan, usa, uk, europe, saudi arabia, bangladesh, basically even from the worst banana republic country on earth,
- they can legally enter our innermost-secret-defense-wartime-armed-forces-areas, LEGALLY THEY CAN (AND NO INDIAN CAN STOP `EM),
- and they can LEGALLY check up on ANY PAPER, AND DOCUMENT, AND EQUIPMENT, ANY OFFICER, ANY JAWAN, ANY COMPUTER, ANY ANYTHING!
- coz, our home will become a wasteland, a home we have protected from the invaders from mid-east and the west, for the last millions of years...
RE:why secret, pranab?
by CatchTwentyTwo on Jul 10, 2008 03:16 AM Permalink
funny... you have a wild imagination my dear.
nothing of that sort is happening with the nuclear deal. That deal only allows inspections by IAEA at "civil" nuclear facilities and has nothing to do with the rest of your imaginative tirade.
Dear Friends,IT IS ABSOUTELY CLEAR THAT WHOEVER SUPPORTS THE DEAL WILL GET SOME PERCENTAGE OF IT. Congress got money in last election through Petro dollars and made Mr.Natwarsingh scapegoat. This time Congress and its supporters need money to face next general election so they are dying hard to get through this deal. BJP is slient because they already got their percentage by intiating dialogue with US during their tenure. So who is looser in this drama. Answer is very simple, INDIAN people. Left parties tried to represent common people. But against money and muscle power they are helpless like common people of India.
RE:DEAL IS AGAINST COMMON PEOPLE
by MGR Fan on Jul 09, 2008 10:46 PM Permalink
Millions of dalits remain illiterate because they dont have electricity in their homes. Nuclear deal will mean more electricity for poor dalits.
But iti s clear that fake dalit leaders like you want the dalit millions to be in darkness so that you can exploit them in rabble rousing. You are following the path set by likes of Hitler and Mussolini.
Fortunately almost all the educated dalits I know support the deal and oppose fraudsters like you.
RE:DEAL IS AGAINST COMMON PEOPLE
by Calspadeaspade on Jul 10, 2008 02:57 AM Permalink
How can you be so sure it is against the common people? Do you really understand it? Sri MMS is a honest and intelligent man. He will not do anything against the nation. That is the hope I have even though I hate congress.
RE:DEAL IS AGAINST COMMON PEOPLE
by CatchTwentyTwo on Jul 10, 2008 03:24 AM Permalink
How do you know this MMS is a honest man? Why dont you simply take the deal into consideration and support it? Why bring Congress or someone else into it?
Let us know if you support the deal or not. Not whether you support congress or not.
I recently visited USA for business, had around ten thousand US dollars with me, being scared of mugging and robbery I opened an account with a well known bank in the US and deposited the amount. After paying all expenses and bills I had still around five thousand US dollars left in my account. I let them remain there thinking they will be useful to me on my next visit.
Hardly had six months passed when I received a notification from the bank as follows:
“WE ARE PROVIDING YOU WITH THIS IMPORTANT NOTIFICATION BECAUSE OUR RECORDS INDICATE THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO ACTIVITY IN YOUR ACCOUNT, AS A RESULT, YOUR ACCOUNT MAY SOON BECOME SUBJECT TO THE ABANDONED PROPERTY LAW OF YOUR STATE OF RESIDENCE. THIS LAW REQUIRES BANKS TO TRANSFER TO THE STATE THE BALANCES IN ACCOUNTS IN WHICH THERE HAVE BEEN NO DEPOSITS, WITHDRAWALS OR WRITTEN COMMUNICATION FROM YOU”.
One can well imagine how these sharks must have pestered and pressurized our poor Prime Minister to sign up on the nuclear deal until he gave in to their demands.
RE:PRESSURE ON OUR PM
by Shekhar Azad on Jul 09, 2008 06:01 PM Permalink
Your desperation reflects you are emasculated by the growth of the MAN called MODI.
The discussion should be on the Nuke deal, CPI/M (Chinnna Most worthy servants) rather than MODI.
You will face further Desperation in the time to come.
RE:PRESSURE ON OUR PM
by Jasad Dusty on Jul 09, 2008 07:25 PM Permalink
No, I am not emasculated by Modi, I want him to be the Prime Minister of India because only a man like Modi will unite the Muslims and bring them together on one platform and talk with one voice. Please remember, it was the threats from fascists that united the Muslims and made it easy for Jinnah to get his Pakistan.
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by Lotiya Pathan on Jul 09, 2008 10:44 PM Permalink
Great Unity. And that's the reason you kill each other bombing here and there...YOu are a f....g b....d, according to the rest of the world.
RE:PRESSURE ON OUR PM
by deepak pandey on Jul 09, 2008 06:25 PM Permalink
The writer may be making up this story .... I was in US for almost 6 years and currently, I am in India from last 3 years .... I still hold an US account without any activities ..... Didn't face any issue till now though the laws may be differ from state to state ..... Six months is a absurdly low for me to believe the story !!!
RE:PRESSURE ON OUR PM
by nitesh kansal on Jul 09, 2008 06:06 PM Permalink
You should have read the T&C properly before opening the bank account. Even in India if you dont operate the bank account for some time, you account gets frozen. Atleast they were courtous enough to send you a letter.
RE:PRESSURE ON OUR PM
by Common Admi on Jul 09, 2008 06:02 PM Permalink
Are you aware that the same rule applies in our Banks as well? I had to forefiet around Rs. 500/- in SBI Madgaon branch as I got transferred from there. This is almost universal rule. You can of course get back your money, but it takes a lot of pains explaining why you did not use it. Why don't you do some online transactions? Alternatively you can also transfer you money to India using any of the bank's online facilities.
RE:PRESSURE ON OUR PM
by raj sreedhar on Jul 09, 2008 06:37 PM Permalink
Jasad, I live in the US. How come you didnt mention the bank's name. Yes, they have rules and laws to follow. Did you read the fine prints when you singed to open a back account? They obey rule of law. Dont give your bull story. Mr.Singh didnt do anything under preaure. HE WAS PRESSURED BY COMMIE TRAITORS LIKE KARAT. DID NT WORKOUT WELL. YOU ARE SAYING ALL THIS BULL STORY OUR OF FRUSTRATION. WHAT A STORY TELLER.
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by Jasad Dusty on Jul 09, 2008 07:40 PM Permalink
Yeh, they do obey the law when it is in their interest, otherwise they bombard nations with F16 and Appache helicopters and snatch away the wealth of poor nations. American is the only nation which has some or the other interest in every corner of the world.
the N-deal is shrouded in secrecy exactly for the reason that it is not in anyway in favour of india. rocker below has given full details in correct perspective. he is right the N-Deal doesnt help at all. Australia will not supply fuel even if we sign this deal and without aus supply we can hardly have enough fuel. i understand if BJP is in favour of the deal as they are closer to US and isreal in thinking. bu why Cong and Sp doing it?. this deal has exposed hypocrisy of these two party's caim of being secular.