First of all India should have abstained from IAEA voting like Russia and China and not voting against friendly nation i.e. IRAN. Secondly, India should not have given access to UN (read US) monitoring agency IAEA to poke their nose into Indias Nuclear activities (no matter civil or defence). Thirdly, India should not have gone so desperate to clear the Nuclear deal which will ultimately cap its Nuclear ambitions (because the agreement with IAEA is still not clear).
RE:Selling India to US ??
by farrukh khan on Jul 08, 2008 08:10 PM Permalink
Let India first think about what is good for itself and then see what is good for its friends.
India is a debarred nation, banned by all the nations as we are not signatory to NPT. We have been blasting atomic tests after tests in violation to international norms. So, the opportunity that India is getting with this N-deal is giving access to India. A big gain indeed. As regards N-tests, if the need arises India has to conduct tests, it can do so. India has to weigh the pros-cons of Tests v/s Supply of Fuel. Proper wisdom would guide the path to be followed. Why a confidential text should be disclosed to the public is a question. If that is democracy then India should do away with democracy. If all defence and strategic relations become talk of the town and discussed, no enemy country of India need spies. Our great democratic govt would do that job. Why because we are democracy and our great citizens wants to know what the govt is doing. Why only N-deal, let every purchase of defense, civil avaiation, etc be also discussed. It would become a mockry for the whole system. If the citizens have to discuss every strategic deal, then why have PM and the cabinet. Let there be referendum on every issue, and run a TRUE DEMOCRACY.
What our honest PM is doing is fine. Keep it up. We want him back for another term.
RE:WE CHOOSE HUMANITY AGAINST NUKE DEAL... CONGI AND MMS WE ARE NOT UNDERDEVELOPED NATIONS. STOP NUKE DEAL IMMEDEATELY
by Aranmula on Jul 08, 2008 07:37 PM Permalink
poor fellow. seems like u dont read news. This is the great country where dalit woman are stipped and paraded, even for refusing advances by upper caste woman. So dont you ever say that woman is respected in India. How many men will not beat their wifes in fights in India, most will. In US, most wont dare to beat their wife or even children. So dont u talk about respect.
RE:RE:WE CHOOSE HUMANITY AGAINST NUKE DEAL... CONGI AND MMS WE ARE NOT UNDERDEVELOPED NATIONS. STOP NUKE DEAL IMMEDEATELY
by Aranmula on Jul 08, 2008 07:38 PM Permalink
typind mistake read upper caste men
Congress can't win election anymore whether it's central or state. It's a clear gameplan to divert People of India to a sensitive issue. Nothing more than that. After latest Karnataka and other state elections they're sure they can't win, and hence saying now they'll go for the deal. If they win the Trust vote they'll get appeal to the People that they got something big for them, even if they loose also, they'll say, for India's prosparity, they sacrificed the Govt. and say BJP & Left had pulled down tahem.
I dont understand Y the left was not specfic what part of the deal they were against and why they felt it was against signing the agreement, to me as a lay man I see the BJP is ok with the deal , but screwing the govt by asking for a vote of confidence & not a debate on the necular deal.Left has piggy back rode the UPA for a long time. What I cant seem to understan people are against what , getting power , when there is a power failure all are abusing the authorities , when they Govt is doing its best to get it , politicans are misleading the people as they dont want A PARTY to get credit for the achivement. The Left is doing just the oppsite in Kerela and Bengal (Socialist to show Capatilist to practice ) , while crying foul, when the congress doing the same in the center. BJP is as bad as the congress , worse in fact. Just using religion to divide the people insted of using religion to bring people together. None of our politicians are speaking about the countries pouplation, corrouption, enviromental issues which is affecting the common people.Necular energy will give us power for survival,it wont damage the enviroment. Had the Congress being a single majority party in power today I guess many issues would have been passed in parliment , so far in the 60 years of the countries freedom the RTI is a step forward in the right direction ,giving people the power to seek the truth and fight the crooks
RE:Whats the big secret ?
by Halum on Jul 08, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
i think you should better check the questions they posed.it is in the other article...
RE:Whats the big secret ?
by kieran dsouza on Jul 09, 2008 12:32 AM Permalink
The cost of energy is very valid. One must not forget the dud Enron which produced costly energy and nearly bankrupted the MSEB and state government. If nuclear energy is costly the effect will be 100 times worse....
Everything is going in the right direction for the congress as per plan. The govt. will fall soon. The deal will not be gigned(Sardaar has no Intention to get it signed). The media blitz and all the hue and cry over the Nuke deal was to put cover over the 4 year of dark ages of this govt. This govt. was a total failure and every MP was worried how are we going to go back to over voters in 2009. The deal is a face saver for this non-performing govt. It will fall soon, but as most of the people on this forum thinks 1000s of Indian voters will think 'Sardaar sacrificed his govt.' and he will also join Maino Antonia as a great Martyr...
RE:Why are we even talking about deal
by jiniharesh on Jul 08, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
Exactly right.
Congress can't win election anymore whether it's central or state. It's a clear gameplan to divert People of India to a sensitive issue. Nothing more than that. After latest Karnataka and other state elections they're sure they can't win, and hence saying now they'll go for the deal. If they win the Trust vote they'll get appeal to the People that they got something big for them, even if they loose also, they'll say, for India's prosparity, they sacrificed the Govt. and say BJP & Left had pulled down tahem.
RE:Why are we even talking about deal
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 07:39 PM Permalink
Even if the government falls, there is no respite to you knickerwallahs.
1. In whole of South India, BJP will find it difficult to open its account. This despite BJP forming the government in Karnataka last month. A Congress-JDS tieup gives them 55% vote share, adequate to ensure a complete white wash for the BJP who would lose their 18 seats. The DMK alliance sits pretty and AIADMK will certainly not enter into a pre-poll pact with the BJP. Chandra Babu Nadu will do the same, tying up with the Left. In Kerala, the BJP is a non-player.
2. BSP cannot likewise enter into a pre-poll pact with BJP because to protect its Muslim votes. So the BJP is destined to third place at best - losing 15 seats it currently holds.
3. In MP, Orissa, Chattisgarh and Rajasthan, the BJP governments faces huge anti-incumbency. Accordingly expected to lose significant seats it currently holds.
This is only a short list. So except for small states like Delhi, Haryana etc, there is no space for the BJP to makeup its loses, leave alone forge ahead from its current tally.
The Left is in a similar predicament. It is poised to get completely white washed in Kerala (where it now holds 20 seats). In West Bengal it is expected that TMC-Congress tieup will make a huge dent.
So except for their public posturing, both BJP or Left do not want immediate elections
RE:go ahead
by anil mahajan on Jul 08, 2008 07:44 PM Permalink
Why should any body support or oppose the deal without knowing anything about it. Whether the deal is for the benefet of the country or not, why are the terms not disclosed to the public. It is not a secret location of our atomic plants( which are in any case known to every other country). Why is the govt hiding it. How come the deal was explained by the NSA to a person from another party. And look at this rascal called Muslim Singh Yadav and Amar Singh. They were dead against the deal, had a meeting with the NSA at a secret location and Amar Singh, the new nuclear scintist, understood this complex deal in one sitting and started supporting it. What a political arrangement. It is not a question of this deal. Congress wanted to get rid of the left and used this opprtunity to do it. See the difference between our country and USA. The govt is not disclosing the deal to even the party on whose support they are running the gove, leave alone other opposition parties and the public. And about USA, the deal was first debated and voted in there Senate and shall again be debated and voted once it is throgh from every where else. What a shame for Congress, MMS and Sonia.
RE:go ahead
by hokuram on Jul 08, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
as u are supporting without knowing any thing about it. why the country does not have right to know, what government is doing our future. it should be people who should decide whether the terms of the safeguard clauses are in their fevor or not.
RE:go ahead
by kevin F on Jul 08, 2008 07:34 PM Permalink
As a Common man I know one thing ,Dr Singh and many in the UPA will not shot them selves in the foot, they have to live in this country and face the people, if the deal was not good do you think Dr Kalam would have not said so. its a good deal, no party want A PARTY to get credit for this achivement , BJP hopes it will drop the govt , Come to power ,tweak the agreement , Dot the "i" Dash the " T" and say we changed it for the betterment of this country. BJP when it was in power, were more in the US and entertaning them than the Congress is. Advani is getting old and running out of time he wants to become the PM for at least a week to call him self Former PM before he kicks the bucket.
RE:RE:go ahead
by anil mahajan on Jul 08, 2008 07:53 PM Permalink
This discussion is about left and the govt. How come BJP come into picture. Why cant the deal be told to public. Very strange. It is not the duty of any opposition party to provide numbers to any party in power. It is never so in any country in the world. It is not BJP but left which is withdrawing support. If you feal it was BJP which started the deal, you should praise them when it is in nation's interest. How do you expect every body to support the deal without knowing it. You may be a bling supporter of MMS and Sonia but dont expect every body to be so.
This IAEA Safeguards Agreement is all about Inspections (how, when and why of it). This is also an 'India specific' agreement to make changes to the US & international nuclear restrictions on any trade with India. The text will be used for wrangling with the NSG for approval. The PMO has already revealed a draft overview of this agreement. But why is the left so interested in this particular document? So that it can be blocked at the next stage in NSG ? This is just another ruse to block the deal.
Anyone can google and find the text of the general IAEA safeguards agreement. In India only the civilian reactors will be subject to inspection and not the ones designated as military. It also has the right to pull out something from the civilian side when required.
RE:Left Dont know the details of IAEA
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 07:17 PM Permalink
The BJP and Left are hilarious. They claim they are not shown the actual text of the IAEA safeguard draft agreement. Then they claim the IAEA safeguard draft agreement. So without reading the agreement, they pass a judgement.
So are many in rediff posting comments without even knowing the significance of NSG
RE:Left Dont know the details of IAEA
by Poonish on Jul 08, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
if the agreement shown to left.. y pranab mukherjee saying that that the confidential document could not be shared with 'third parties' ...
RE:Left Dont know the details of IAEA
by anil mahajan on Jul 08, 2008 07:57 PM Permalink
Mr All Right, What do you want the left, BJP and other public to do. Support the deal without knowing it. When no body knows anything, they are bound to pass comments like this. And what are you doing on rediff. Just passing comments like others. We have a right to every thing since this country belongs to every body and not just to MMS, Sonia and Congress
RE:Left Dont know the details of IAEA
by Halum on Jul 08, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
and what is the significance of NSG..are you sure you know all about hyde act and our recent energy scenario..?..
RE:Left Dont know the details of IAEA
by shilpi gupta on Jul 08, 2008 07:33 PM Permalink
Till yesterday every news channel was showing aarushi murder case as a top story n in all breaking news...now what happened to those stories?? just in a single day they have been converted as obsolete ones..
