In nuclear, India maybe first because of its ability to make and design reactors of third generation that use thorium in the 11th plan, AHWR. America fast breeders are failures, but India is running them since 80's. Second, we operate the only reactor in the world that uses U-233 that is made from thorium. We are accredited with giving the world understanding of thorium fuel cycle.
History has not been kind, as there was a failure of imported part which caused damage to our reactor, sabotage cannot be ruled out in critical areas.
Why 2010 is a critical? because we will have a breeder reactor commercial scale operating which will mean %u201CWhen the same uranium, which will support 10,000 MWe generating capacity in the PHWRs, comes out as spent fuel and we process that spent fuel into plutonium and residual uranium, and use it in the fast reactors, we will be able to go to electricity capacity which will be as large 5,00,000 MWe.%u201D igcar.ernet.in/press_releases/press11.htm
Therefore to rush an agreement that guarantees inspection only, but not supply, has clause for right of return, inspection of reprocessing and nuclear plants used to make bomb is foolish.
It is known that our nuclear plants are used to make fissile material. PHWR make plutonium, Breeder will make plutonium/uranium. So allowing inspection means curtailing nuclear.
There is great demand for nuclear energy, if India sales its technology which is superior to American, NSG, will fail.
I visited India - Tamilnadu last month - Jan which is winter season there. I was there for four days in my native place called Karur. No electricity on day time on all four days. For your info - Karur is one of the largest textile export hub in India.
I visited to Coimbatore for a week. No electricity power for coupls of hours daily. Covai is one of the industrial Cities in India.
I was there in Chennai for a week. Electricity power cut happened very often even in the night. You all know, Chennai is a Metro city in India.
Please conclude the situation in India based on these incidents.
I dont know who will save our country! Everyone is talking about the nuclear deal and no one is ready to solve the electricity problems.
Hello Mr. Subrahmanyam.. please speak for Congress and defend the deal, if you wish. Your statement that BJP will also accept the deal when it comes to power is totally incorrect. If you have not read or heard any BJP leader: BJP WILL REJECT 'THIS' NUCLEAR DEAL WHICH IS FRAUGHT WITH SOVEREINTY AND 'JUNIOR PARTNER' ISSUES; BUT WILL NEGOTIATE A DEAL ON AN 'EQUAL PARTNER' BASIS. I REPEAT, BJP IS NOT AGAINST A NUCLEAR DEAL, PER SE. IT IS ONLY AGAINST THIS KIND OF A SHAMEFUL DEAL. DON'T FORGET, BJP EVEN TESTED A NUCLEAR BOMB, SAYING 'GET LOST' TO THE US.
A reading of the Hyde Act by any patriotic Indian will make him squirm in shame to know the US has such a disrespect for the sovereignty of India.. This deal should be allowed to die. Forget what the Italian traitor and her servant PM say.. (By the way, I can understand an Italian subjugating India to the western powers.. but is an Indian like Manmohan allow that? He should resign taking responsibility for the soverignty disaster he was going to inflict upon our Mother Nation.)
Many will not agree with Mr Subrahmanyam for what went wrong with the deal. Mr PM was always saying during Parliament debates to wait for the release of final 123 Agmnt without actually taking into confidence the opposition on the objectionable contents of Agmt . After the deal is over now, PM says "Take it or leave it on my dead body". This is the main reason. Another point that Prsident can keep the US Congress in dark like our PM could keep Indian public and Parliament till the deals are over. But why at all we shd have a democles sword on our head in the form of Hyde Act to blackmail us on Foreign and economic policy issues to the benefit of USA. Can Mr Subrahmanyam or any other person supporting the deal answer my questions??
RE:N-deal
by Dogra Narinder on Feb 03, 2008 11:49 PM Permalink
It is very simple. You can operationalize the deal and get it sold to UN body. After it is all said and done, don't buy any thing related to Nuclear field from US. There are other like France/ Germany who will be more than happy to supply India any thing it needs. If you don't bu any thing from US, how can US blackmail you.
Besides, in US not even US utilities are currently buying US reactors. Most of them are going for AREVA (French/German). Westinghouse and GE Nuclear power Plants will be built by Toshiba or Hitachi in future.
Niketas in India want to drive the economy to grave that where the constituency is, in slums.
RE:N-deal
by Indian Indian on Feb 04, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
Actually, what you are saying is one way of getting out of the blackmail. But there are two questions here:
(1) When you are finalizing a deal, why should we allow blackmail clauses in the first place, and then go about beating the bush? What you are saying should be the solution, when we find that WE ARE ALREADY TRAPPED IN AN AGREEMENT, WHICH WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND PROPERLY. Now, when we know that the Hyde Act is full of horrible clauses to the extent of showing CONTEMPT TO OUR SOVEREIGNTY, why not JUST TELL THE US TO INSERT A BLOODY CONDITION SAYING "US laws are not applicable to this international agreement", just like the China-US nuclear deal, OR GET LOST?
(2) Secondly, please read the Hyde Act. It says that, in the event of India crossing the line by conducting a test, not only the US will stop supply forcing our investment of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO GO DOWN THE DRAIN, but also, IT WILL EXERT PRESSURE ON OTHER NATIONS TO STOP SUPPLIES! And, be practical, how many nations will go against the wishes of the US in this unipolar world?
AGAIN, WHY JUMP INTO THE WELL AND THEN STRUGGLE TO COME OUT LIVE? TELL THE US THAT WE WANT A 123-AGREEMENT ON AN EQUAL BASIS, WITHOUT ANY OVERBEARING POWER OF US NATIONAL LAWS, OR TELL THE US TO GET LOST..!
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by Indian Indian on Feb 03, 2008 11:46 PM Permalink
No one supporting the deal can answer your question, because there is no logical defence to the deal. Only people who just take the Sonia/Congress/Manmohan rhetoric blindly will support the deal.. not the people who have actually gone through the atrocious clauses in the 123 agreement and, worse, the Hyde Act.
When huge potential is available by way of water resources to generate hydro-electric power, as very large percentage of water is wasted into the seas of India, why Government of India is not organising the technical personnel concerned like engineers etc., who are obstinate, to explore new sites through out the nation and to install the equipment on war footing which is definitely possible, if properly organized like late shri K. Kamaraj, former A.I.C.C. President and former Chief Minister of the then Madras Presidency, who was an illiterate, by running after the officers and staff to extract maximum developmental works to bring Madras Presidency as the best state within his first five year tenure of his chief ministership! We have lots of potential in non conventional resources like wind and solar energy which can be easily tapped to annexe the hydro electric power! We have enough thorium for centuries which is also another fuel, which if explored on a war footing, will succeed to produce our own atomic energy too! Enthusiasm and interest are necessary to motivate such possible schemes that are posed as an impossibility wrongly due to strong vested interests and lethargy! P.M. should not only be adequately enlightened but also dynamic and dashing to frequently visit fields for on the spot joint inspection and discussion which is very essential to make the machinery work in the right direction! Degrees are not necessary but intellect is necessary with daring guts and spirit
If people cannot perceive the true colour of US after large number of instances in the entire world affairs about their sheer selfish motives to interfere with other nations' affairs, to enjoy and benefit by creating rifts between other two nations too like Israel and Palestine, Iraq and Kuwait etc., India and Pakistan, North Korea and south Korea and many others too, for several years now, well, either they support the U.S programs with some other ulterior motives, or endeavour to display that their level of intellect is something extraordinary to differ with ordinary, or due to mere inherent ignorance or arrogance! Apart, the level of intellect of US is far less than that of India, as well established by their deal with terrorism, though present level of intellect of the people at the helm of affairs of our nation is pretty low as proved by current chaos in the nation in almost in every field in comparison to earlier days of this nation! Let us not forget our worst experience and consequent struggle with U.K in the past and in this context let us be extra vigilant to avoid any such deal with U.S. which is power intoxicated at the moment, which is more dangerous than U.K. Any deal with U.S. is a high security risk for the nation in future! Well, this is defined as intelligence!
RE:Any deal with U.S. is a high security risk for the future of nation!
by ASHOK on Feb 01, 2008 07:36 PM Permalink
India has more than 275 Billion US $ Foreign Exchange reserves. What do you want India to do with that ??? India earned it as Export surplus with USA ( Not with Russia or China)
Today we have this surplus, that is why we are buying C130 from USA.
US has technology and India needs it. Russian technology is not answer to all the Indian needs. Are you aware of this simple fact.
RE:If US wants ...
by ASHOK on Feb 01, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
who says USA is doing us a favour. It is a deal which involves money and technology exchange.
USA is asking India to follow and accept same route as are committed by China.
(1) US is not asking India to follow same route as China. US has clearly accepted a clause in the Chinese deal that that China agreement is supreme, and it will NOT be affected by other US laws. In the case of the Indian deal, the US has said it VERY CLEARLY that this deal IS SUBJECT TO its national laws. After doing this, the US has enacted a law called Hyde Act, including all atrocious things there. (2) China is agreeing to IAEA, after the US has AGREED TO RECOGNIZE CHINA AS ANOTHER NUCLEAR POWER, I.E., AS AN EQUAL TO THE US. In our case, the US wants us to sign an IAEA agreement after recording there that we are a non-nuclear power, i.e., AFTER ACCEPTING IN WRITING THAT WE ARE NOT EQUAL TO THE US OR CHINA! IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE TO AGREE IN WRITING THAT WE ARE JUNIOR TO THE US AND CHINA!
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