Look it is normal tendency of human that they can't stay with out fighting . See from Ramayana to Mahabharata even during Rome ,Mohammad Pegamber. Thanks to Mahatma Gandhi . They make minority to stay in India. Till now India is united though having vast diversity because of this minority. If majority want to remove their frustration they do it on minority. See when we have Match against neighbor country we won't take maharastrian flag or gujrat flag we won't say let Doni should get ot on zero run while sachin has to make 100 run. we pray for india. As we have some enemy in field. So don't wor y what will hapen now as all CAR manufacturing company moving towards chinnai, s/w to middle south like banglor , Hydrabad all big multinational company opening their office in mumbai, most of the development job is going to gujrat, after 10-15 year we will all mixed up and then only we have only common enemy, that is our neighbor country so be cheers. Also after 10- 15 years we will have new generation so they will give already mixed up as Gujarati boy born in Karnataka so he will have many kartatakian friend than Gujrati and vies versa
This is not a matter of language what he is specialy saying that " dress waisa bhesh " meaning if you are in tamil territory respect them. If you are in maharastra respect local culture. When are you in USA respect their Upbringing. Don't go and tell everyone to wear Sari. See the people (Bhaiya) behaving in mumbai, they are bring their own culture , their own behavier ( like teasing girls, saying bad thing about them , even common taxi driver from UP is thinking he is king in Maharastra
Suppose an IT professional with kids works in Bangalore for 2 years. You will force the kid to learn Kannada. Next the IT person's job moves to Hyderabad for next 3 years, then you will force his kid to learn Telgu. Then he moves to Mumbai/Calcutta/Tamil Nadu/Delhi so you will force the kid to learn Marathi/Bengali/Tamil/Hindi. This whole idea is a joke. How dare does anyone torture a poor kid? If people love their respective languages,they should go ahead and teach those languages to their OWN kids. How dare they force this on OTHER'S kids? This sounds like facism to me.
RE:Why forcing languages is wrong?
by indian on Feb 23, 2008 07:38 AM Permalink
This is not a matter of language what he is specialy saying that " dress waisa bhesh " meaning if you are in tamil territory respect them. If you are in maharastra respect local culture. When are you in USA respect their Upbringing. Don't go and tell everyone to wear Sari. See the people (Bhaiya) behaving in mumbai, they are bring their own culture , their own behavier ( like teasing girls, saying bad thing about them , even common taxi driver from UP is thinking he is king in Maharastra
RE:Why forcing languages is wrong?
by ThoondilKaaran on Feb 23, 2008 06:37 AM Permalink
It is u who is torturing the poor kind by moving him around.
Let him stay in only place and grow up with his friends. Do you know how difficult it is to make friends for the little kid to loose or make friends when u move around?
RE:Why forcing languages is wrong?
by Kumar on Feb 23, 2008 06:28 AM Permalink
India has a long way to go before it can be even called a nation, maybe it will never happen. Maybe within 100 years of British leaving us, we will disintegrate.
People should look at the root cause and not the symptom - if balkanisation happens it will be due to large scale imposition of Hindi and Hindi speaking people on the rest of the country. We should realise that it is insecurity due to threat from Hindi and Northies that will trigger the balkanisation of this country. Either stop large scale migration from overpopulated and underdeveloped Hindi speaking states that will dilute local cultures and wipe them our or make it a law for migrants to make an attempt to assimilate better with their hosts (not by arrogant "Hindi mein bolo" demands, but by learning the local language, adopting local political parties, etc.) if they want to enjoy the economic fruits. Hindi speaking people should understand that there is no India without its diversity.
RE:Northies are pushing India towards Balkanisation
by snpost on Feb 23, 2008 05:38 AM Permalink
Translation in English/Telugu/Gujarathi/Marathi/Tamil/Kanada/Malayam/Punjabi/Oriya/Bengali/Nepali/Assamese as well please!!
One day there is an article about Bangalore, and immediately there are flame wars about Bangalore. Next day it is about Maharashtra. Youngsters today forget that once upon a time (after independence) it was Bihar and UP that were not only rich, but also contributed the most to the treasury. Then there is an article that says most fake resumes come from AP, and immediately there is Telugu bashing. Looks like all people in every state in India are against every other state. Should it not be the other way round? Never in the history of India have so many people moved around inside as well as outside India. Should not we learn to appreciate and tolerate one another? Are not all Indians and Indian languages equal? I think that is what the SC is trying to convey.
RE:What is happening?
by snpost on Feb 23, 2008 04:55 AM Permalink
If the young Indian does not speak against what is wrong with India, who will? Rememember before the British colonization, India was among the richest country in the world. Everybody need to speak out against what is wrong with India, and work toward change, not juts the youngsters.
RE:What is happening?
by Don johnson on Feb 23, 2008 04:46 AM Permalink
Well said sir, our nation fabric is based on cast,creed,color,relegion and above all the language we speak. There is wide spread discrimination in our work places based on the city/state/region and what language you speak. This is pathetic and speaks voulme of how complex this nation of india is.
Change kashmir law first , change artical 370 if the kashmir is a part of India. (No one from India can purchase property in Kashmir.Many people say that send all aboard marathi to their native place. We indians are staying aboard cause these countries want us as much we want them they are giving work permit. And they are very particular that we are not seizing their job. Many people will say that why Marathi people are not talking about Tata, Ambani. Listen we don't call them to Mumbai . They came here with their own choice when they come o know that they don't have any future in their own states. Maharastra give them a place and they become Amabani and Tata, Birla . They were no one when they are in their own state. similarly many indians go to aboard and earn their name. I am also against what are happening in Mumbai. But did you ever travel through Cab or train. See the dadairi of UP people. When we come to aboard like guju people we try to accept their culture and their language. If you see even tour fruit hawker is also trying to become your boss now days.
RE:Jai indian
by Gopal Krishna on Feb 23, 2008 04:56 AM Permalink
Unfortunately, not everyone accepts that all languages equal. Hindi speaking people think that their language is somehow superior and more than equal than others. They squander money on celebrating Hindi divas, have you heard of the government celebrating other languages? It is this step motherly treatment that is causing resentment and it also plays into the hands of Hindi speaking people who end up inculcating this sense of false superiority over non-Hindi speaking Indians. The govt. should rein in its excessive love for Hindi and give equal treatment to all Indian languages.
RE:RE:Jai indian
by snpost on Feb 23, 2008 05:05 AM Permalink
I agree it will make more sense to kick out UP/Bihar out of India, then Hindi will not be an issue. But then even if Bhaiyastan is created, we will end up with the same problem- look at the bangladeshi migrant. Local language just need to be develop and promoted locally.
RE:Jai indian
by snpost on Feb 23, 2008 04:49 AM Permalink
Good point - who was the Idiot who introduced the law saying that Indian can't buy property in kashmir? Why have successive goverment not change that law? The muslims have kickedout most of the Hindus out of their Kashmiri homeland, why can't we send the UP/Biharis to Kashmir? Send some UP/Biharis for some training with Prapakaran first to give them some teeth, just to give them an edge over the islamist.
RE:something to think about....
by Sicilian on Feb 23, 2008 04:12 AM Permalink
If Emmigration is alright then why not allow bangladesi's and other 3rd world countries to come here ?? What is withholding them ? A constitution and judges operated by north indians ?? Condemn such unfair system and judiciary ...
RE:something to think about....
by vijay ram on Feb 23, 2008 03:38 AM Permalink
Being Indian is good enough if you want to reside anywhere in India. There are many legal avenues to promote local culture. Intimidation of North Indians is not legal.
RE:something to think about....
by on Feb 23, 2008 03:51 AM Permalink
There is nothing like outsiders and immigrants. Country belongs to all and everyone has same rights and freedom of culture and language.
RE:something to think about....
by Arrow on Feb 23, 2008 03:43 AM Permalink
I dont buy his crap about "outsiders" not mingling with them. As long as the "Outsider" is Indian it doesnt matter. The "Outsider" has the same rights as raj & maharashtra isnt his backyard.
RE:something to think about....
by snpost on Feb 23, 2008 04:04 AM Permalink
Why can't outsiders mingle with local even if if it is at least once a year????
RE:RE:something to think about....
by on Feb 23, 2008 03:54 AM Permalink
Unless people like Raj are tought a proper lesson, it will set wrong precedent.
RE:something to think about....
by on Feb 23, 2008 04:06 AM Permalink
There are several laws -- BMC Act, Bombay Police Act, MRTP Act, MAHADA Act, Indian Railways Act, Slum Act, Representation of Peoples Act, etc.
Raj Thakeray could have worked towards having the laws of the land enforced, without any compromise to clean up Mumbai rather than allow it to go to seed.
Instead successive governments have turned a blind eye to violations of "outsiders" as they encroached our footpaths and other open spaces, stolen our water and electricity, hawked on roadsand pavements and (with the support of corporators and politicians and "public servants") acquired ration cards and voting cards.
Why not invoke the provision of theConstitution that says that although a citizen can move and settle in any part of the country, it has to be within the ambit of the law.
To curb the unregulated influx to our cities it is absolutely imperative to invoke the anti-encroachment (and other related) laws.
Our "leaders" -- rather than giving inflammatory speeches to their 'vote-banks' and unleashing violence on the streets, damaging property (both public and private) causing harm to innocent people in addition to their intended targets -- must first see the laws and policies in place; work to improve them, if necessary -- as Mr JRD Tata had suggested -- and should invoke and implement them in all honesty and sincerity.
That's the only way the influx will gradually get curbed.
Let us all thank Panditji Jawaharlal Nehru for the yet another gift to the nation by dividing our country on language for the linguistic mafia like thakereys, vatal nagarajs, karunanidhies and others. The spill over is the water problem.
The best thing is, he single handedly achieved this dishormony against sane advices of several leaders like Rajaji.
RE:RE:Linguistic mafia
by ThoondilKaaran on Feb 23, 2008 04:51 AM Permalink
r u saying that Nehru should have done what China did? move all people around the destroy the culture and all Indian languages?
RE:Linguistic mafia
by vijay ram on Feb 23, 2008 03:41 AM Permalink
This is nonsense. If the states had not been divided, the Mallus, Telugus and Kannadigas would now be fighting for their rights outside of Tamil domination under the old Madras Presidency.
Linguistic basis for states give local cultures the oxygen to take pride in their past.
Exclusionist politics such as those by thakerays, vatal nagaraj and vaiko are just that - extremist. They do not disprove the wisdom of Nehru-Gandhi's actions.
RE:Linguistic mafia
by on Feb 23, 2008 04:12 AM Permalink
Right or Wrong; it is part of our history now and we must accept it.
And since states have been divided on linguistic lines, there is nothing wrong in learning the lingua franca of the state one has opted to stay / work / study in, for better communication with the local people.
No one is stopping you from keeping / teaching your own language as well.
Staying with the Laws of the land is the only choice within our democratic framework.
RE:Linguistic mafia
by snpost on Feb 23, 2008 04:27 AM Permalink
Dividing the nation happens in the Madras presidency- AP,K and TN is doing quite well now-If TN, KN and TN continue at this rate for another 10-15 years, they will reach the same stadard of living as Autralia. What is wrong with that? what is your point?
RE:Linguistic mafia
by Gopal Krishna on Feb 23, 2008 05:01 AM Permalink
Hold on to your dreams. Biharis and Bhayyas are multiplying by the second ready to overrun the region and overturn all development that has been achieved so far. It is after all their god given right and it is also endorsed by the constitution.
