RE:Pak will never give up fight with India
by Yaqoot Mir on Apr 08, 2008 07:14 PM Permalink
Your agenda seems very similar to what the agenda for the Indian foreign office is except change the name of India to Pakistan.
During the time of the partition of India in 1947 all the states were given the right, under the Indian Independence Act, to accede either to India or to Pakistan. Giving display of his political wisdom and capacity for taking decisions, the then Union Home Minister, Sardar Patel, succeeded in merging about 600 states with the Indian union.But the matter of Jammu and Kashmir was kept by Pt. Nehru in his hands. His national outlook and his capacity to take decisions were eclipsed by his affection for Abdullah and his animosity with Maharaja Hari Singh... Because of his affection for Abdullah Nehru was banned frm entering into Kashmir... when Nehru violated the ban and entered into Kashmir, he was arrested....this turned him against the Maharaja Hari singh...reason why Hari singh delayed merger of Kashmir with India was because of attitude of Nehru...But for the sake of safety of millions of Hindus Maharaja signed the merger agreement but inspite of this Pandit Nehru didnt send force to protect Kashmir for 3 days...when force was finally sent nd Nehru handed the command of Indian army to traitor Sheikh Abdullah who didnt allow army to recapture POK...Because of Nehru love for Abdullah India is still paying a huge price for Kashmir
RE:truth behind Kashmir
by Manmohan Munshi on Apr 08, 2008 06:31 PM Permalink
Truth behind Kashmir is nothing but a bundkle of lies. Maharaja of Kashmir acceded to India on 26.10.47 and Ist Battalion of Indian troops under late Col.D.R.Rai landed at Srinagar at 9.15 AM on the morning of 27.10.47. and by 7rh Nov. about 5,000 tribal force led and supported by Pakistn Army was defeated at Shalteng and on the same day Indian Army occupied Baramula . I pay my humble homage to yhe officers and mrn of the Ist Sikh, Ist Para Kumanon and 4th Kaumaon and a troop of 7th Cavalry together with local civuilian drivers,informers and guides saved the day. The command of Army was never handed over to Shiek Abdullah or any other civilian.Though Sardae Patel arranged the merger of most of the princily states with India but in the begining he along with Teg Bahadur Sapru an exmember iof Viceroys council wanted Jammu & Kashmir to be left for Pakistan after shifting the non muslims from the state.The selay in sending Troops to kashmir was due to the fact that the ruler of the state did not acced till Pakistani forces almost entered the valley. The British Army officers and Lord Mountbatten created hurdles for sending military assistance to Kashmir. In this context minutes of defence Committe meetings and Mountabatten papers may be consulted
RE:truth behind Kashmir
by mmspm on Apr 08, 2008 06:17 PM Permalink
information is right. We can find this info in Iron Man Patel's and Field Marshal Manek Shaw's books.
I am pretty sure, except kargil when India blinked, i dont think no one in India is ever going to trust Pakistan. Kargil happened because Indian Intelligence, Army and Politicians all were sleeping !!
RE:Dont Worry
by A N Balakrishnan on Apr 08, 2008 04:36 PM Permalink
Do u really think Indian intelligence was sleeping? For that matter, do you think CIA was sleeping prior to the destruction of World Trade centres?
1. Pakistan politician or Army do not have guts to fight against Kabila militia 2. They have seen thier power in resent election ( as loss of Bhutto) 3. Pak Army or Politician do not have control on ISI ( Pakistani Inteligence) 4. ISI is not funded by Pak Army; however it generates its own revenue by drug deal and arm deals 5. Pak Army or politician only assign head to ISI; however it is run by someone else in down level. 6. ISI has to work along with Kabila militia as they help them to farm and prepare drugs. 7. ISI has even eliminated Ex. Pak President Zia Ul Haq. His murder was done based on conflicts of drug deals. 8. Musharaf or Nawaz or any other leader can not have guts to visit South east, North or east area of Pakistan. 9. Nawaz is leader from Punjab, Bhutto was from Sindh, Musharaf is Muhajjid ( Indian Migrant) If Pakistan or India wants quick resolution or peace then they should co-operate with each other to eliminate Kabila leader and Militia.
This Militia is not like Maoist in India, they are ruler of thier area like Sardar or Lords.
RE:I don't think any thing will change
by Sunit Kumar on Apr 08, 2008 03:15 PM Permalink
Bottom line, we have created a enemy to last entity and i think that is what Gandhi-Nehru, could not visualise, or they chose the lesser evil, i.e. rather have an enemy outside the house than in, i think they must have taken the desition based on the prevailing conditions.
As for future, as long as we are strong, nothing can go wrong, the day we lessen our guard, we are done !!
RE:I don't think any thing will change
by Abdulla Pathan on Apr 08, 2008 03:31 PM Permalink
We can beat this Kabila militia now when Pak/afganistan politician wants to relif from militia. If you take look at past, then you will realise that even britisher was not able defeat them because they are not army or they do not have any base like army.
Since Russia and US occupation of Afganistan, Kabila militia has receivied backing from ISI. ISI has come out with economical model for Kabila people. If we help Pak to defeat Kabila people then India will gain supermancy in south indian continent. They will defeat ISI ( now Chinies agent). They will reduce narcotics cases in India as well as across world. They will defeat Al-qaida ( atleast from indian continent). India and Pak do not have to spend much on arm deals.
My views on this topic: 1) At the end of the day even after all their jehadi aspirations stroked by Pakistan, I belive Kashmiri ppl will realize where their future will be better - India or Pakistan 2) They can either throw their lot in a destablized pakistan which goes from permanent military rule to intermitent democracy. OR They can go with an economic super power that India is going to become in the next decade. 3) Any military analyst will tell you that the next pakistan -India showdown will be won by the side which has the economic might to last it out. Can we afford a 3 month war with Pakistan? I think we can. Can Pakistan afford a 3 month war with us? I dont think so. Let us make ourselves so strong that the Pakistan will know that they cannot win come what may. 4) This is how Ragan defeated Russia at the cold war - he simply made it too costly for Russia to continue. I believe that India has to do the same with Pakistan. 5) India has the high amount of international tourist outflows to places like UK, Switzerland etc. Can you imagine the benifit to Kashmir if half of these outflow of tourists went to J&K and not to foreign nations
RE:Economic development is the key
by Abdulla Pathan on Apr 08, 2008 03:14 PM Permalink
We are mistaking Kashmir Issue.
POK was not taken by any army. It was taken by Kabila Militia after independace. It is difficult to defeat this kabila militia and it was difficult at time of indepenace. We are hearing news from Pakistan.
We have to work together with Pakistan to defeat these militia. Kabila has it's own economical model and army ( sorry they are goons) Nawaz, Musharaf or Bhutto's didn't have power, they are powerless. ISI has complete control or Army and decision making body. They can execute anybody, anywhere in Pak even president. They have done it once ( Zia ul Haq was murdered by ISI). ISI and Kabila militia work hand in hand.
RE:Economic development is the key
by venkat on Apr 08, 2008 04:05 PM Permalink
We cannot believe Pakistan as well as China both are trecherous. Proof: First Hindi-Chini Bhai,Bhai later a slap on the face of India which we could not forget so far. Regarding Pakistan under the garb of dialogue infiltration into Kargil and paying heavy price by Indian Army sacrificing many officers. So I think before we extend any friendly arm to Pakistan and China we must be double cautious.
RE:Economic development is the key
by Abdulla Pathan on Apr 08, 2008 05:20 PM Permalink
Pakistan is controlled by 4 different entities. 1. ISI ( Powerful than any other entity in Pak. They can even execute PAK president, They have executed ex. president Zia ul Haq) 2. Kabila Militia ( Which work in hand in hand with ISI. ISI has defined economical model for Kabilas' using drug rackets) 3. Pak Army and President of Pakistan ( has control over civilized pakistanis and less influence over Kabilas from NF, Waziristan, Baluch) 4. Elected member of Parliament ( less influance in controlling any factor in Pak). They are helpless creature in PAK. They are not decision maker. Somebody else takes decision on behalf of them.
Kashmir one of historical mistake happen due to following few important factors: 1. Kashmir population didn't wanted to be part of PAK or India after independance 2. King Shah was not quick in decision making. He was more dependent on Britisher for military power and other things 3. Britisher had special interest in Kashmir for it's similar environment as europian countries. 4. Britisher was not able to help Shah as his militry tagged with India and Pak. 5. Kabila militia was always wanted to capture Kashmir; however never able to do it in Britisher rule. They attacked as soon as British army removed from Kashmir. 6. King Shah has taken lot time to sign agreement for merger with Sardar. 7. Indian Army was quick to act as soon taken control of Jammu and Kashmir. 8. Internation Body and Britisher intervened between Pak and India to Stop War. 9. New born Pak never had guts to fight against kabila militia. They can not fight against kabila militia even after independance of 60 years.
