RE:Split
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 06:17 PM Permalink
Dear Friend, I just went through wikipedia & found some interesting facts. Please go through it. Please do think this information as knowledge enriching.
According to Wikipedia, The spoken Kannada language is said to have separated from its proto-Dravidian source earlier than Tamil and about the same time as Tulu.
The influence of Old Kannada on the language of the Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions from the second century BCE to the sixth century CE has been brought to light through observations made using grammatical and lexical analysis.
Prior to and during the early Christian era, the Kannada-speaking cultural area seems to have had close trade ties with the Greek and Roman empires of the West. Greek dramatists of the fourth century BCE, particularly Euripides and Aristophanes, appear to have been familiar with the Kannada language. This is evident in their usage of Kannada words and phrases in their dramas and skits.[9]
Kannada inscriptions were not only discovered in Karnataka but also quite commonly in Andhra Pradesh,[41] Maharashtra[42][43] and Tamil Nadu.[44][45] Some inscriptions were also found in Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat.[46] As an example, the inscription at Jura 964 CE (Jabalpur), belonging to the reign of Rashtrakuta Krishna III, is regarded as an epigraphical landmark of classical Kannada literary composition, with charming poetic diction in polished Kannada metre.[47] This indicates the spread of the influence of the language over the ages.
RE:Split
by prasanna on Apr 01, 2008 07:46 PM Permalink
YOU FOOL!TAMIL IS THE OLDEST LANGUAGE IN INDIA.CHECK OUT ANYWHERE.TAMIL HAS GREAT POETS LIKE THIRUVALUVAR WHO WROTE IN A WELL STRUCTED GRAMMER SOME 1000's and 1000's year back, who speaks kannada compare the number of tamil speakers and kannada..why so much there 27% of tamil population from TN in bangalore..whereas only 32% of kannadika from karanataka in bangalore..hahaha such a same..to my best knowledge nodoby speaks kannada in chennai whereas almost all speak tamil in bangalore..hahhaa
RE:Split
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 11:10 PM Permalink
Relax Brother. Brother your ANGER went up like anything. If I was in front you, GOD knows my status. :). That means you can behave like an animal.
What is your National Language buddy? Can you speak it? Really can you speak it? TN is the only place in India where protests against usage of National Language was carried out. So Sad. Still now no one is thinking of respecting it. Still you are called Indian. My God. What should I say to you? Yes, in Bangalore, less percentage of people speak Kannada. What it shows? Please think. Dont give up. Think brother. Bangalore symbolizes that it is a mini India. What about any single city in TN? It might take another 1000's & 1000's of years to be considered that people of TN respect their National Language. You know what 1000's & 1000's of years back only Sanskrit existed. Tamil around 2200 years back. Thiruvalluvar's period (based on the Thirukkural per se) is between the second century BC and the eighth century AD. Dear Brother, dont forget that Kannada was used to construct Tamil Language. The proof is in front of you, isn't it? Please do accept it. Last thing Brother, India's highest literary honor, the Jnanpith awards, having been conferred seven times upon Kannada writers, which is the highest for any language in India. Cool Down Brother. :)
RE:Split
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 02, 2008 10:19 AM Permalink
Your claim that Kannada wass used to form Tamil only evokes laughter as there are no proofs for it. Tamil is not 2000 years old but certainly a long way before that. Tholkappium, the oldest surving Tamil literature(Indian in records) date between 500 B.C to 200 B.C. It belongs only to the second Sangam and it provides references to a large number of literature existed before that but eventually destroyed. Morover, Adichanallur inscriptions date to 600 B.C where it talks of a land dealing between the landlord and a customer and the kind of trade between them. Earliest Tamil literature like Silappadhikaram also speaks of Kumari Kandam where the first Sangam held and the subsequent flooding by sea. This Kumari kandam is a submerged landmass in Indian Ocean which connected the south India with West Australia. This is proved by the theory of Plate Tectonics. There are much more evidences like this.
Why are we bothered about which was an earlier language.. it was sign language before all the languages and all of them started with the same.
We are all Indians and if the name of the language is to be used for drinking cauvery water then Cauvery water is only for Kodava takk and Kannadigas have to fight alongside tamils to get their share.
By the all these languages are different dialects and pretty much have the same basic words.. it does not matter which was first or second ..its all the variations of the same.
Don't get fooled my politicians on either side of the border ... just use the head and be human :)
RE:Split
by Anand YNI on Apr 02, 2008 03:43 PM Permalink
Full Text The Language of the Gods in the World of Men: Sanskrit, Culture, and Power in Premodern... Nemec J Am Acad Relig.2007; 75: 207-211
Please refer to the book and draw your own conclusions.
RE:Split
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 02, 2008 09:43 AM Permalink
Dear Manju, Your claim that sanskrit existed 1000's &1000's of years is baseless. Read more linguistics. There is no proof for it. The oldest known Indian literature in records is a grammer book in Tamil titled Tholkappium dated between 500 B.C and 200 B.C. Even it belongs to the second sangam and it points the existance of several literary works belonging to first Sangam & Second Sangam like Agasthiyam. These scriptures existed before Tholkappium were destroyed due to floods & other natural calamities. The same Wikipedia says that 55% of all the stone inscriptions found in India are in Tamil. The first sanskrit inscriptions found in India belong to 160 A.D whereas the Adichanallur inscriptions date back to 600 B.C to 500 B.C. Some of the second Sangam literature takes of Kadalkol(Tsunami) destroying Poompuhar which is not recorded in other literature.
The proto-dravidian language that you are mentioning is nothing but proto Tamil and the difference between these two is very limited as the language has not changed much during the course of time due to its independent evolution. Wiki says the first inscriptions in kannada date to 230 B.C. The earliest kannada is free of Sanskrit as Sanskrit was evolving during this time. Please dont do cut and paste, analyse the facts and post it. There are umpteen number of evidence to prove the antiquity of Tamil. I am ready for a constructive debate on this but not in this forum.
RE:RE:Split
by Rajesh on Apr 05, 2008 09:00 PM Permalink
Mr. Manju dont check our national patriotism....we love our language and we are not against any language... Our culture needs an individual identity as what France or Germany has.. for our global communications we learn English
Tamil Nadu has always been an asset for India we stand as an example of who to treat people of other language... Had at any point in time u come across in news paper stating tamils beating telugus or mallus in chennai.. we invite every one and we feel they should take part of TN success stories
RE:Split
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 02, 2008 10:18 AM Permalink
Dear Manju, The earlier form of Kannada was a product of Proto-Tamil and Prakrit but not certainly sanskrit. Morover, The Brahmi script that Kannada uses is certainly a form of Tamil Brahmi which evolved from "Vettazhuthu". Tholkappium is based on this "Vettazhuthu". sanskrit borrows the grammer from Prakrit text of Panini. So dont be carried by false claims. You are more closer to Tamil than to Sanskrit.
RE:RE:Split
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 06:19 PM Permalink
Why an language gets famous, its because of it's people who present it in a good way which indicates the nature of people. That's why lots & lots of people are coming to Karnataka. That's show the nature of Kannadigas. Please do think on this rather simply using your english power on something else.
most of those writing this board are not citizens of India, they are citizens of TN, citizens of karnataka, andhra, kerala, bihar etc etc. that is why the border dispute. UN will have to construct new buildings to accomodate the representatives of these nations very soon. ha ha ha!!!
RE:nationalism
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 05:10 PM Permalink
Well buddy, there must be a reason for everything. Please do think on it. Dont be sad. You are not supposed to be. Please give the solution of this problem. We were discussing on solution. It is like 2 siblings are quarreling in a house. It might be petty. The concept is being to be avoided by being misused on either side either Karnataka or TN. Now waiting for the solution from you buddy.
RE:nationalism
by Romesh Agarwal on Apr 02, 2008 09:09 AM Permalink
When siblings fight, property does not get destroyed.For you, I think this is a film scene and comment and enjoy and expect somebody else to give you a solution. The only solution I think of is that any project, in which there are two or more states are involved, must be under the supervision of the Central Government or a committee involving eminent people (not petty polticians and party supporters)of concerned states.This process may seem to be theoritic, but I do not see any alternative watching the mayhem.
RE:nationalism
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 02, 2008 12:05 PM Permalink
Film Scene. It's your words buddy not mine. Why should I think like that? I'm not enjoying. Dont be so pathetic in thinking. It shows what your attitude is & how you deal with your problems, isn't it? Buddy, simply seeing & writing like a neighbour is not good. Just enter into the house, see the reality for yourself. Do you think are we mad to hurt any other people's feelings? What you will do if the head of house is sitting idle & biased? How many times, will you offer roses? You know why lots of other states people are in Bangalore? It's because for the nature of Kannadiga people. Misusing the same nature of people is not fair which is already happening i.e. by TN.
During the historical age where was this Kannada Rakshna Vedike,Why they have not built any dam till the british built the Mysore dam,OK how ever if these rajkumar/Nagase group take voilence into their hand,tamils has to react and try to finnish who ever involved in the voilence.Karnataka police should play neutral otherwise we have to great some other Veerappan.How ever Kannada speaking in Karnataka is not the majority mostly are tulu/konkani/marathi/telegu after the tamil population. So other language people also should keep away from this issue. This time we have to teach the KRV the lesson. If Karananithi fails to prepare his people otherwise better he commit sucide and allow the Tamil nadu to be run by other people like Ramdoss/Sethuraman
RE:Many people Don't adopt Democractic way
by Manoj Kumar on Apr 04, 2008 09:23 PM Permalink
Dont get agitated bcoz of these peoples and spoil the national integration. I am not asking you stay calm when they hit us. But those who indulged in violence are not common peoples of bangalore but politicians and some unemployed fools who are puppets for those politicians.
Enemies of India are gleefully watching the in-fights and waiting for the right time. TN vs Karnataka TN vs Kerala North vs south Indians who openly being proud of SOMEBODY who cruelly killed our ex-PM in our country Stunts of Raj Thackerey Stunts of Lalu Prasad Yadav Stunts of Mayawati, Modi, family bandyism of Karuna and what not. India is self sufficient in all forms of vices,religiious disputes, falling from grace in sports (hockey). You name it, we have it. Time is near for the God to come down to save the people from these politicians, actors, actor-politicians, political actors. The mental condition of an average indian is clearly shown in the messages appearing below.My God.
Most of the intellectual guys from south were scolding MNS and Raj Thackarey for his voice against biharis and bhaiyyas. Now see what is happening in the technical city? Of Bangalore. Is this not the same by Kannda Rakshana vedige. All are done only for onething - Political mileage. No body worries about the long-term impact of these things.
Cauvery this, cauvery that.... what will going on rampage againts the Tamils in Karnataka acheived?
Will it resolve the dispute?
Why is it every time there is an election comming, this issue seems to always surface?
This river was here well before people was around here... This river was here, when there was a time when there was no real distinction between Tamil people and Kanada people.... This river is here, when there is a distinction between Tamil people and Kanada people.... This river will be here, when there will be no difference between Tamil people and Kanada people in a time in the future....
We,the Indians do not come and discuss the problems amicably.However,we will be happy,if any third person takes the fruit.As this being the case,let the cauvery water be diverted to millitants of Jammu and Kashmir.In this way, the problem between two states can be solved and also,Congress and Left fronts will be happy for having saved the pesudo securalisam.
India wont develop if you fight over these silly issues. Is sharing water is a problem..? or sharing water with a particular community is a problem.. ? Great going India..!!! Keep it up.
If there is any dispute between the state Karnataka Rakshana Vedike or any other who are fighting for Kannada should approach Supreme Court regarding what ever and grievance they have rather than resorting to cheap street fights. If a river flow through two states its should be shared equally. this is the rule. In fact this is same even for different country according to international agreements. Nobody should take law in their hand. Supreme Court should be used to solve interstate issues. If still Pro-Kannada groups follow this dadgiri, then we we indians are only sowing seed for another LTTE.
People taking knife in hand will always die by Knife.
Hogenakal Falls area is the border between Karnataka and Tamilnadu. The island of Hogenakal has to be equally shared between the states by doing proper survey. Tamilnadu is starting this project in this disputed terittory which Karnataka is objecting rightly. Please note Hogenakal name itself is a Kannada Name menaing Smoking Rocks. It is not a tamil word. Hogenakall falls can be approached from Kollegal forests of Karnataka through Male mahadeshwara Hills and also from Dharmapuri area of TN. So TN should restrain from going ahead with this project until the border dispute is settled amicably. Thinking that it can do whatever it want with the help of its support to the Centre DMK will break the national intergrity of the nation.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 01, 2008 02:05 PM Permalink
Dear Sampige Srinivas, Kannada itself is derived from Baduga Tamil. 'Hoge' is modified from 'Pughai' meaning smoke. Kal is rock in Tamil too. 'Karnataka' is derived from "karu(mai) nadu" meaning land of black soil. Can TN claim the whole Karnataka as the word "Karnataka" is derived from two Tamil words?. A name is never a good criteria for claiming.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 02:26 PM Permalink
Well, from which language Tamil was derived from? Dont say that by itself. You know the Answer I believe. Now you know that from monkey, human being happened. Now dont say that in Tamil Nadu itself the whole evolution took place. To dispute your claims, black means kappu in Kannada. If some words sound similar & they are quite matching in meaning & pronounciation that doesnot means one is inherited from other. You know one my Tamilian colleague was telling that Japanese & Tamil is exactly similar. Now dont say that Japanese is derived from Tamil. My friend, we live in Democracy so we have to take each other's consent & proceed on deciding the matter not just simply display the Hitlerism just to impress some section of people.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by sivasubramanian on Apr 01, 2008 05:04 PM Permalink
i know most kanadigas are barbarian who don't have any history or culture,you can find the proof here in kannadigas arguments saying the tamil is the oldest language in indian continent. All other launguages are inter products of Tamil and Sanscrit in south,Sancrit and arbic or persian in the north and the west. If anybody claim kannada is older than tamil language they defeat themselves it has less histroy than telegu and less literature than malayalam which is the 3rd latest of Dravidian language.Yes Kannadiga can claim they were also the part those dravidian heritatory. But they have not adopted the approach as part the family.Otherwise also The pulikesy's are first enemy of our cholas.The rule of pulikesys were just near manglore and west part of karnataka,so not all today's karnataka is part of Chalukkiya kingdom. The chlukkiya's were defeated by tamils chola every time and the right on Cauvery was held by tamil kings all the time. This Neheru as did harm to Kashmiri's/To india he took most of our kudaghu to karanataka,which is disputed by Cinema actor who planted hatred amoung the people to succesfully run his film. He himselfk talked in tamil well but planted the hatred by crrok, So i declare all kannadigas are not volved in this trouble only cinima peoples are trying project their profit making the problem. If they attack tamils in bengaluru whichis not in the cauvery basin,We have to attack kannadigas in Bombay and every where where they cleverly penetrate
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 02, 2008 09:46 AM Permalink
Dear Manju, Your claim that sanskrit existed 1000's &1000's of years is baseless. Read more linguistics. There is no proof for it. The oldest known Indian literature in records is a grammer book in Tamil titled Tholkappium dated between 500 B.C and 200 B.C. Even it belongs to the second sangam and it points the existance of several literary works belonging to first Sangam & Second Sangam like Agasthiyam. These scriptures existed before Tholkappium were destroyed due to floods & other natural calamities. The same Wikipedia says that 55% of all the stone inscriptions found in India are in Tamil. The first sanskrit inscriptions found in India belong to 160 A.D whereas the Adichanallur inscriptions date back to 600 B.C to 500 B.C. Some of the second Sangam literature takes of Kadalkol(Tsunami) destroying Poompuhar which is not recorded in other literature.
The proto-dravidian language that you are mentioning is nothing but proto Tamil and the difference between these two is very limited as the language has not changed much during the course of time due to its independent evolution. Wiki says the first inscriptions in kannada date to 230 B.C. The earliest kannada is free of Sanskrit as Sanskrit was evolving during this time. Please dont do cut and paste, analyse the facts and post it. There are umpteen number of evidence to prove the antiquity of Tamil. I am ready for a constructive debate on this but not in this forum.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 02, 2008 10:03 AM Permalink
Dear Manju, The earlier form of Kannada was a product of Proto-Tamil and Prakrit but not certainly sanskrit. Morover, The Brahmi script that Kannada uses is certainly a form of Tamil Brahmi which evolved from "Vettazhuthu". Tholkappium is based on this "Vettazhuthu". sanskrit borrows the grammer from Prakrit text of Panini. So dont be carried by false claims. You are more closer to Tamil than to Sanskrit.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 02, 2008 10:13 AM Permalink
Your claim that Kannada wass used to form Tamil only evokes laughter as there are no proofs for it. Tamil is not 2000 years old but certainly a long way before that. Tholkappium, the oldest surving Tamil literature(Indian in records) date between 500 B.C to 200 B.C. It belongs only to the second Sangam and it provides references to a large number of literature existed before that but eventually destroyed. Morover, Adichanallur inscriptions date to 600 B.C where it talks of a land dealing between the landlord and a customer and the kind of trade between them. Earliest Tamil literature like Silappadhikaram also speaks of Kumari Kandam where the first Sangam held and the subsequent flooding by sea. This Kumari kandam is a submerged landmass in Indian Ocean which connected the south India with West Australia. This is proved by the theory of Plate Tectonics. There are much more evidences like this.
RE:RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 16, 2008 08:10 PM Permalink
This one is of my fellow state mate - Sathyanarayana Bhat.
Hi My Friend, it is like this. You are throwing your house garbage in my back yard & asking me to clean. This is all about Hogenakal project. Tamilnadu does exactly the same. Please go through the tribunal order. Do you have a copy of the same? Let me explain. Any projects needs to be taken up on the cauvery water, both states to agree on the project then only state can go with the project. If Karnataka set up 5000 crore project in Nanjangud which is part of Karnataka & store water after the KRS, no water will be flowing down to Tamil Nadu, do you agree Karanataka's project? This is my state , I can do whatever I like right ??? Hope this answers your doubt & question.
RE:RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 05:25 PM Permalink
Cool down brother. Please dont depict your character which is by large known from your words. Just relax. Take deep breath. Think of God. Please think of the solution & nothing else. Before that understand what is the real problem & who started it?
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 05:39 PM Permalink
Dear Brother, I just went through wikipedia & found some interesting facts. Please go through it. Please do think this information as knowledge enriching.
According to Wikipedia, The spoken Kannada language is said to have separated from its proto-Dravidian source earlier than Tamil and about the same time as Tulu.
The influence of Old Kannada on the language of the Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions from the second century BCE to the sixth century CE has been brought to light through observations made using grammatical and lexical analysis.
Prior to and during the early Christian era, the Kannada-speaking cultural area seems to have had close trade ties with the Greek and Roman empires of the West. Greek dramatists of the fourth century BCE, particularly Euripides and Aristophanes, appear to have been familiar with the Kannada language. This is evident in their usage of Kannada words and phrases in their dramas and skits.[9]
Kannada inscriptions were not only discovered in Karnataka but also quite commonly in Andhra Pradesh,[41] Maharashtra[42][43] and Tamil Nadu.[44][45] Some inscriptions were also found in Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat.[46] As an example, the inscription at Jura 964 CE (Jabalpur), belonging to the reign of Rashtrakuta Krishna III, is regarded as an epigraphical landmark of classical Kannada literary composition, with charming poetic diction in polished Kannada metre.[47] This indicates the spread of the influence of the language over the ages, especially during th
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by mathura nathan on Apr 01, 2008 02:34 PM Permalink
you dont understand the previous argument. It was a counter argument and not for claiming that Karnataka belongs to Tamilnadu.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
Arugments should be made with proper context not by deviating from main topic. Consider if a state wants to do anything within it's state it is perfectly fine but if it is doing anything nearing any other state, first it should take consent about the pro & cons rather 'straight away starting the project' that too when there is no government in Karnataka. You might ask why you have to suffer but dont forget we are brothers. I understood the argument, if you had understood my last line you would have known it.
RE:RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 05:41 PM Permalink
Dear Buddy, I just went through wikipedia & found some interesting facts. Please go through it. Please do think this information as knowledge enriching.
According to Wikipedia, The spoken Kannada language is said to have separated from its proto-Dravidian source earlier than Tamil and about the same time as Tulu.
The influence of Old Kannada on the language of the Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions from the second century BCE to the sixth century CE has been brought to light through observations made using grammatical and lexical analysis.
Prior to and during the early Christian era, the Kannada-speaking cultural area seems to have had close trade ties with the Greek and Roman empires of the West. Greek dramatists of the fourth century BCE, particularly Euripides and Aristophanes, appear to have been familiar with the Kannada language. This is evident in their usage of Kannada words and phrases in their dramas and skits.[9]
Kannada inscriptions were not only discovered in Karnataka but also quite commonly in Andhra Pradesh,[41] Maharashtra[42][43] and Tamil Nadu.[44][45] Some inscriptions were also found in Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat.[46] As an example, the inscription at Jura 964 CE (Jabalpur), belonging to the reign of Rashtrakuta Krishna III, is regarded as an epigraphical landmark of classical Kannada literary composition, with charming poetic diction in polished Kannada metre.[47] This indicates the spread of the influence of the Kannada.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manoj Kumar on Apr 04, 2008 09:49 PM Permalink
Hi Manju,
I will not support any sides here. But i want you to understand some facts. First of all, dont read wikipedia for the following reasons.
No.1) It's a western site( Do you need a western site to know the indian history) No.2) Even i can also go and write anything over there about the languages. All were not written by a scholar and it was just written by some people like you and me.
Besides, (although it isn't true) even if tamilnadu has started that project outrageously in that dispute area. Why dont you(so called soft kannadiga people) go to the court and get a stay order to stop that project? Why are you hitting the innocent people wherever they are from? It's only you have to think. The first violence cropped up in karanataka and not in tamilnadu. Don't say tamilians are fanatics? its only in tamilnadu a kannadiga, malayali peoples were a chief ministers(jayalalitha, MGR) and also become actors (Rajnikanth, Arjun etc). You are talking abt national language. correct. Good, that tamilnadu politicians (not people) have opposed our national language. Truth. But you who cares lot about national language, have to see your bus name plates which has been written only in kannada. Every IT and BPO office must write their names in kannada. Now kindly analyse all these known pragmatic facts and tell me who is fanatic.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 01, 2008 03:18 PM Permalink
Hello Manju, It was an argument put forth by me to emphasis that names cannot be a criteria for claiming power and to counter Mr. Sampige Srinivas argument that Hogenakkal belongs to Karnataka just because the name is derived from kannada words.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 16, 2008 07:52 PM Permalink
This one is of my fellow state mate - Sathyanarayana Bhat.
Hi My Friend, it is like this. You are throwing your house garbage in my back yard & asking me to clean. This is all about Hogenakal project. Tamilnadu does exactly the same. Please go through the tribunal order. Do you have a copy of the same? Let me explain. Any projects needs to be taken up on the cauvery water, both states to agree on the project then only state can go with the project. If Karnataka set up 5000 crore project in Nanjangud which is part of Karnataka & store water after the KRS, no water will be flowing down to Tamil Nadu, do you agree Karanataka's project? This is my state , I can do whatever I like right ??? Hope this answers your doubt & question.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 04:34 PM Permalink
My frirend, you told that Kannada was derived from Tamil word & on top of that Karnataka was derived Tamil word. You know how many years old is kannada? You made a baseless argument to the topic. My first point was that. You know that Hogenkal is shared between Karnataka & Tamil Nadu. So what TN is doing? It is developing a water scheme. So how can you say it is doing with in TN when Hogenkal is shared between Karnataka & TN? Why TN didn't shared any details to the concerned state i.e. Karnataka. Why did it keep in wraps & then suddenly starting to the project when there is no government in Karnataka. You know why this argument is for, TN has not given any details how it is going to implement the project. Why it has to give you might ask? Since as a neighbour, we are a bit apprehensive of TN might use & occupy Karnataka's land. We are fully entitled to know the complete details of the project. If TN was so honest & constitution abiding why it didn't get full clearance from supreme authority or Supreme Court, for ex. like we are implementing the project fully in TN, we are not touching a inch of Karnataka, why didn't TN furnish these kind of records? If TN had furnished these records then there wouldn't have been any arguments, isn't it?
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 01, 2008 03:53 PM Permalink
Mr.apocalypto, Its exactly the same situation. This issue has been blown up unprecedently and fed by the vested interests of politicians to grab power in Karnataka side. karnataka cant be a deciding authority of a project to be built on TN's side.
RE:RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 16, 2008 08:06 PM Permalink
Dear Friend,
National Language. Bus. I agree. There is a reason. What is the reason? Lot of people, around the country come & are getting settled/settling in Bangalore. Nice. We respect them & love them. Now slowly, local language is the victim. Why? Since the Language spoken will be a common language either Hindi/English. Or Tamil/Telugu.
So day by day, usage of Kannada was going down & down. And I feel still it is. So we requested many many times to all our brothers & sisters. But nobody cared. They are so arrogant. They come as guests. We treat them nearly as God. But the guest starts overpowering the host. Now tell me who is fanatic. So we decided to offer roses by using Kannada on Buses. One more thing, I happened to visit my friend's place. My friend's uncle is staying in Bangalore from past 50 years. Yes, '5' '0' years. He does not know how to read kannada. If he speak in Kannada, you will feel why is he killing Kannada. And my friend is a Tamilian. Very nice friend. Rare to get one.
Now quiz time. How many people can understand & speak Hindi? In Karnataka -> 60% In Bangalore -> 90%
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 02:52 PM Permalink
Arugments should be made with proper context not by deviating from main topic. Consider if a state wants to do anything within it's state it is perfectly fine but if it is doing anything nearing any other state, first it should take consent about the pro & cons rather 'straight away starting the project' that too when there is no government in Karnataka. You might ask why you have to suffer but dont forget we are brothers. I understood the argument, if you had understood my last line you would have known it.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 11:46 PM Permalink
Nice Information Buddy, I didn't knew this. Thanks for the information. Some things I wanted to tell you. Please dont mind.
First thing, Malayalam is a beautiful language. Please do respect it, Buddy.
Second thing, Kannada is no where near? It has been found that Kannada was used in construction Tamil Language. You were not there 2000 years ago nor you are God, right? Please do accept what has been found out.
Third thing, Am I elated? Why should I be? I'm just presenting some facts which are discovered. :).
Fourth thing, Authentic Thing. You know which language is more authentic & pure. Only Sanskrit. No other language. How & Why? You experiment it out, you will come to the conclusion.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by peria samy on Apr 01, 2008 06:44 PM Permalink
Dear manju Seetharamu, Tamil inscriptions were discovered even in Egypt (in potteries).And discovering Tamil inscriptions in south east Asia is a very normal thing. Once upon a time, before the arrival of aryans, India was a land of dravidians who spoke a pro-proto-dravidian language.Tamil,kannada and Tulu segregated from southern proto- dravidian language, telugu from central dravidian language and kui, konda etc spoken by tribals in north-India segregated from northern proto- dravidian language. Brahui, another language which segregated from northern proto-dravidian language is not only spoken but also written in pakistan!. The sangam literature composed during christian era was in the standard format of southern-proto dravidian language.And todays Tamil represents it very well. kannada and Telugu might have segrated (only) as spoken languages before todays Tamil but Tamil is the most authentic one and most close to the southern-proto-dravidian language. it was having the so called 'SANGAM' or 'gathering' even before 2000 years for it's development. kannada is no where else near. It is indebted to sanskrit a lot.As a spoken dialect of ancient southern proto dravidian language, it influenced the sangam tamil, that's all. So don't be elated.Sangam literature deals with trade relations ship with romans and east asia, arresting of greeks by tamils (today's mallus) in arabian sea. Devaram, a tamil treatise sung in Thailand even today.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 01, 2008 03:30 PM Permalink
Dear Manju, Its not stepping into other's shoes but just doing what we are entilted to.
RE:RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 01, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
Dear Manju, The infrastructure relating to this project will be built on the TN's side of Hogenakkal as everyone is well aware that Hogenakkal has shores on both TN & Karnataka. To construct a project on TN side, whose permission should TN ask for?. The water would already enter TN borders for consumption. Your argument that TN should obtain permission from Karnataka to build a project on TN side is absolutely baseless .
RE:RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 04:40 PM Permalink
You know that Hogenkal is shared between Karnataka & Tamil Nadu. So what TN is doing? It is developing a water scheme. So how can you say it is doing with in TN when Hogenkal is shared between Karnataka & TN? Why TN didn't shared any details to the concerned state i.e. Karnataka. Why did it keep in wraps & then suddenly starting to the project when there is no government in Karnataka. You know why this argument is for, TN has not given any details how it is going to implement the project. Why it has to give you might ask? Since as a neighbour, we are a bit apprehensive of TN might use & occupy Karnataka's land. We are fully entitled to know the complete details of the project. If TN was so honest & constitution abiding why it didn't get full clearance from supreme authority or Supreme Court, for ex. like we are implementing the project fully in TN, we are not touching a inch of Karnataka, why didn't TN furnish these kind of records? If TN had furnished these records then there wouldn't have been any arguments, isn't it?
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Manju Seetharamu on Apr 01, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
Had they got proof for that? If they have it, why can't they approach the supreme court and get an order for constructing that? After getting permission from Supreme court does any one oppose it? Simplying putting down words for sake of argument, is it good? Pros & Cons you have to let me know since TN is doing something & it might have it or might not have. Please come to reality think that you are in Kannadiga & what your stance will be. It is called stepping into other's shoes to see our mirror.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by apocalypto on Apr 01, 2008 03:38 PM Permalink
Person : "I bought a new house.." Neighbour : "oh thats nice!!!. but you need my permission to live with your family in your house"
Doesn't it sound ridiculous.. ? Where are you people heading ? Don't fight for such silly reasons. Amicably settle the disputes and let the nation grow.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by mathura nathan on Apr 01, 2008 02:57 PM Permalink
yes madam. I agree.. The thing is TN has already got the consent from the concerned ministers from KRTKA. But KRTKA is playing the politics now and saying that we are exposed, we dont have a government , this and that . Who is displaying hitlerism here .. ? Can you tell the pros and cons in the implementation of the project .. ?
RE:RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Karan on Apr 01, 2008 07:03 PM Permalink
sai ... whatever ur name is - u Tamils are such ignorant ppl .. U think all the languages in the world are derived from tamil .. ur language doesn't even have proper alphabets .. whether it's tamil or damil got only knows!!
RE:RE:RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by saigeetha jagannathan on Apr 02, 2008 09:54 AM Permalink
Dear Karan, When you can claim Sanskrit as the oldest language which doesn't have grammer for its own on false conceptions and lack of reliable evidences, what is wrong if we claim with umpteen number of proofs and evidences to this date?. Have you done any research on linguistics to blame Tamilians as ignorant. If you are, then I am ready to face you to prove the antiquity of Tamil.
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by sangeetha raman on Apr 02, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
you Sampige Srinivas it is your vattal nagarajan who is creating division amoung tamils and kannadas dont blame others ,ask that useless nagarajan to stop making this cheap publicity okva and Hogenakal Falls belongs to tamilnadu and we dont need any one permission to start the project
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by hariharan hariharan on Apr 05, 2008 09:47 AM Permalink
whatever you talk here, i will assure you tn is not getting the water, it is my promise
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by mathura nathan on Apr 01, 2008 02:09 PM Permalink
wow.. What an argument.. Border dispute .. ? that too with in a country. Don't you think that it sounds ridiculous to use such a word in this context ? Karnataka and Tamilnadu are not India and Pakistan. Remember it.
RE:RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by Neo Intellectual on Apr 01, 2008 02:58 PM Permalink
mathura nathan --- is it not a strange name? i thought mathura is name of a place where lord krishna was born. i have seen people with name "madhura" not "mathura". Are others in the family named "ayodhya", "varnasi" or "allahabad".
RE:Karunanidhi is dividing the country
by mathura nathan on Apr 01, 2008 03:03 PM Permalink
yes it is a strange name .. :) .. No ofcourse not.. Meaning is mathura - a place where lord krishna dwells. nathan - the one who rules the place..
so the whole meaning is "The one who rules mathura" - i.e. Lord krishna.
Also next meaning.. Mathuram or madhuram in tamil means "sweet" nathan - music
