It is not India's credibility but PMs credibilty which suffers internationally. Why was he so foolish to ignore the opposition within and without and rush headlong to disaster. Not the sign of an intelligent man.
I dont think anybody can afford not to take India seriously. If anybody it is Womanmohan Singh's credibility which takes a beating not India's. A PM who cant even take his own allies with him just cant be trusted to deliver on international treaties. Being a minority govt. he was foolish enough to ignore the majority in Parl. and opposition from his supporting members.
"For Dr Manmohan Singh [Images], credited with rescuing India from the economic doldrums"
This is factually incorrect as it was late PM Narasimha Rao who should get credit for rescuing India from economic doldrums. Cabinet minister is responsible for PM and unless there is backing and support of PM, finance minister can't do much. So, it was because of PV's active backing and support that MM could do what he did. So, credit goes to PV and NOT MM.
As history has proved, MM can't do much on its own and he is a born beurocrat and not a politician who can lead the nation.
RE:Factually incorrect
by Guruji on Oct 25, 2007 09:34 PM Permalink
Whoever is behing this econimic growh, think who were there in the front to oppose it ?
The great communists !!! who opposes everything ...
They protested against the privitisation of telecom sector.... if it was not privitised, we would have to ait for two years to get a phone connection....
They opposed computerisation in 80s and 90s, now who doesnt have a computer ... ( Airport police found out BULLETs from the laptop bag of Pinarayi Vijayan, CPM leader, from chennai. They are also changing!!!)...
They protested against tractors in 70s to save the jobs of labourers.....
They opposed self financed engg. colleges (but they sent their children to those collges outside states and countries !!!!)
They opposed privatisation of banking and insurance, otherwise think of the speed of service from a public sector bank....
Now they oppose privitisation railways, airports, retail markets....
Those who have been abroad knows the efficiency of the privite sector.... how neat and clean is the railway stations and trains..... cheaper options due to competition.... cheaper and quality products from the big super markets...
Indians dont have the luck to enjoy these facilities in a developed country.... We r happy with the adulterated milk , pesticided fruiots and vegetables....
As India has been de facto accepted as a nuclear power by the world, what is wrong with the Indian Govt. now negotiating an advantageous entry into the NPT.
Don't treat nuclear deal with the US as the last thing that could rescue India from all it's problems. That is justa slave like mentality which made us the English colony earlier. Yes it would have been had the deal happened but it was equally beneficial to the US too considering the business it would have got & making India a potential ally aganist China in this part of the world. The deal didn't happend doesn't mean US will try to cut thier relations with India. It has to come us considering the natural companionship turning out between two countries in a lot of areas.never be dependant on any country too much, Just try to have an equal status...Does anyone agree...???
RE:Don't treat Nuclear deal as the end of the world
by vineet on Oct 25, 2007 09:09 PM Permalink
Ratheesh You are absolutely right, this is not the end of the world, We have had so many problems like this in the past and wegot over it. More so we have patriot people like Mr Karat and Mr Bardhan so we don't need to worry. Vineet USA
RE:Don't treat Nuclear deal as the end of the world
by Krishna Prasath on Oct 25, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
accepted we can overcome the problem, but till then will you or me or whoever are ready to use oil-lamp? really we have a long way to go, we are still "trying" to make a 1000MV n-reactor let alone think of solving energy problem. ourself
RE:Don't treat Nuclear deal as the end of the world
by Ramprasad Renganathan on Oct 25, 2007 09:05 PM Permalink
I would agree Mr Ratheesh that it would not be the end of the world and the deal is mutually beneficial, but who do you think will gain more out of this? Our energy deficit is running very high (Even Mumbai is having power cuts almost everyday, which was never heard of in the last decade) and we seriously need to do something quick if we need to sustain our growth. With the threat of global warming and need for quick energy solutions the one clear choice would be nuclear power. We can wait for our scientists to build an indigenous thorium reactor (and we have plenty of thorium in the sands of our west coast beaches) but it might be another 5-10 years. The big question is what will India do for its growing energy needs until then?
RE:Don't treat Nuclear deal as the end of the world
by Guruji on Oct 25, 2007 08:56 PM Permalink
Yes, agreed... However, what is the way to an India with out any powercuts and electricity to all Indians ?
Suggest a way, rather criticizing nuclear deal..... If nobody wants, drop and go for the next one....
What is the next source ? Tell the people and go for it .....
Why do the communists bark at america and manmohan singh....
If the deal came from china, they would have welocmed whole hearted.....
The communist govt. in Kerala recently opted for Russian and Chinese companies without any advertising for quotation for some construction job .... If it was done by a congress govt., they might have called for 3 hratals and destroyed minimum 3 buses, stoned all the glass buldings, burnt govt. vehicles....
Communist think that whatever they fell alright is right and everything else wrong ....
Why did these people keep their mouth shut when people were killed in West Bengal ?
THey would be happy even if China bombs India , because it is China, their comrades....
RE:Don't treat Nuclear deal as the end of the world
by Ratheesh V on Oct 25, 2007 09:05 PM Permalink
I do agree with you & thatz the true national spirit...This deal should have been good for India in long term considering the infrastructure problems like power we have ...I'am not supporting the communist for opposing the deal...I'am only highlighting the indian mentality where we always behave like somebody who has an inferiority complex that we are weak nation...I wanted to make the point that the other nations will have the same attitide towards us irrespective of the fact whether this deal happens or not...
RE:RE:Don't treat Nuclear deal as the end of the world
by Guruji on Oct 25, 2007 09:03 PM Permalink
Politicians are mad when they say that we r letting English to rule us again .
Then, why have they been selected and send to New Delhi. If one deal is good for us, then bring i to reality, other wise find out the negatives and bargain for it. If not successful, reject the deal.
Let the CPM list out all the drawbacks of the deal and give to congress and the press, and work out with congress to overcome this situation.
They are just barking like street dogs.... Good for nothing !!!
Indians are sen wishy-washy, shilly-shally, flippy-floppy nobodies by the rest world, and that's why no one the world over has ever taken India seriously, not even when that pompous though 'charismatic' idiot Nehru was PM. Why? Becuase poor India has never had someone who could remotely be caaled a real 'leader', other than maybe, Gandhi, and thank goodness he was out of the picture before he could really do some real damage, if such is possible,given Congress' abysmal performance. Even today, in a globalized economy and internet access, ask anyone around the globe to name the Indian PM, and they'll scratch their heads, eyes glazed over, looking dumbfounded, going uuhh, uuuhhh..Then ask them to name the big guy in China and they'll rattle off Deng Jiamin, or something of the sort. Heck, India's weak Parliament and her meek, weakling of a PM, can't even pass any legislation which does not meet with Communist approval, except anything giving Govt more control over the economy, which is their pet peeve. What India desperately needs is effective governance, but first she must have a Govt! Anyone seen a govt lying around somewhere?
So far what ever congress has done to this country is a big shame and insult. They wanted to show that they are the one who can get deal from america. But finally our spineless sardar was screwed by chinese lickers. This sardar has become power greedy. If he wants to go ahead with the deal he should not care for the power. But this dumbo wants the support from BJP. Why should they support them as they never took confidense of the BJP and discussed this in parliment. Congress has no intelligent people. They are pure illitrates there for power. They insulted the nation. If BJP really thinks in the interest of nation they should support the deal. My last word is save India from congress.
RE:Congress is a shame to the country
by Chander Malik on Oct 25, 2007 08:50 PM Permalink
Mr. rama prasad, if congress is shame to country then can u tell what left is and what BJP is?? they are more shame than congress. can you count the cost of election to such big country? can u weigh nuclear deal and other implications which cud arise due to election? Congress cant do ne thing as if they would go for nuclear deal, neither they can go for deal, nor they can save govt. atleast now they have saved the govt. I am too very disappointed as the author is. India's face is damaged to world but shame is not on congress its on u or me or people of india who give fraction majority to a party and paralyse the country. your dumb and spineless sardar is ph.d in economics. u may not know the abc what he knows.this dumbo sardar had the courage to go Bush and clinch the deal. no other leader of india has been able to do so.learn to respect your leader. I see cong has given wrong message to country but BJP and left are responsible for it. your last word, save india from congress. u want to give country in the hand of traitor left. Can u compare the capable leader from all indian parties?? u will get most capable persons in congress who have larger experience, then in bjp and then in any other party. Congress has guts to change country image as they did in 1972, 1974, 1991 and now they were going to do it in 2007 but bad luck of india that they have leftist survival in this country by west bengal and kerala and ppl like u support them.
With the N-deal collapse, the UPA has thrown away its only meaningful initiative. Now compare this to how NDA changed India 1) Solved the Tibet-Sikkim controvesy with a "pawn exchange" with China. 2) Successfully fought the Kargil War. 3) Not only fought a war with pakistan like many other prev govts but actually managed to create the landmark idea that Indo-Pak peace was possible. 4) Turned India from STD booth country to Mobile Phone country. 5) Now notice the comprehensiveness: a) Made India a nuclear power b) Successfully braved the US economic sanctions due to this c) Talked the US into rolling back every single sanction in 6 years time. d) Brought India to the point that the US forgot about sanctions and started talking about selling uranium and batting for us at NSG! 6) Compare the GDP in 1998 to the GDP in 2004.. that tells the story. 7) Visualized a historic India-Israel-America axis. 8) Economic reforms on a large scale and India finally beginning to enjoy the positives of market economy 9) Enactment of POTA
Besides this, the BJP has always been imaginative in suggesting a) The toughening of anti-defection bill b) About full disclosure of party funding c) Dissolving some state assemblies so that elections can be held "in phase"
Even now BJP has unilaterally created 33% for women. Think about it!
RE:This govt has ZERO achievements: BJP is far ahead of everyone
by D S on Oct 25, 2007 07:55 PM Permalink
BJP is good at time when COngress needed to be removed and Congress was good/needed when India gained Independence. Now we need someone new. BJP imagination tank is highly selfish. What does it mean by India-Isreal-US axis, we need India-India-India axis.
RE:This govt has ZERO achievements: BJP is far ahead of everyone
by Chander Malik on Oct 25, 2007 09:03 PM Permalink
Seems mr. banerjee is very bjp pro and have forgot the misdeeds of bjp. lets see it here:
1. Hijack of Indian airlines. they dont knew how to tacklet the situation. 2. militancy in kashmir has hiked to all time peak. 3. how could bjp govt. allow the pakistani solideir on indian soil. they won kargin but lost 1000 indian top rank officers. 4. they did privatization of PSUs and took laks of jobs of its employees. 5. Lost a big public money in india shining compaign. 6. telephone revolution has started in third front riegme and bjp extended it by let reliance coming in this area by taking a big bribe. 7. BJP ignored rural schemes and rural ppl who taught a lesson to bjp in 2004 general elections. 8.BJP has tied with george fernandes who have asked Vishnu bhagawat then navy chief to let a ship go out from Indian territory without checking which could have illegal items. When bhagawat opposed it, he was forced to resign. 9. the scam of tehalka is well known which shows bangaru lakshman taking bribe. 10. last but not the least, gujrat riots in which thousands of ppl lost the life.
No man is without errors and so is the party. Its on u and me how we elect the ppl and change the whole system whether its bjp or congress.
RE:This govt has ZERO achievements: BJP is far ahead of everyone
by Milind on Oct 25, 2007 09:34 PM Permalink
Mr.Chander Milik, If Mr.Banerjee is pro BJP, You are anti-BJP for the wrong reasons.
1. Do you think the BJP government could have avoided the Hijack of the Indian Airlines ? Be real. Infact they got the passengers safely. If passengers were killed, you could have complained either way.
2. What started the militancy in Kashmir and the NorthEast ? If was pure negligence on the part of the Congress government.
3. If BJP privatised the PSUs that is good isnt it ? Are you a commie opposed to Privatisaion. I have worked in industry and had the misfortune of interacting with PSU employees. 100% job security with support of labor unions make may of them useless.
4. It irritates me a lot when Muslims mention Gujrath riots or the Babri Masjid demolition without mentioning the pre-cursors. What about the Godhra train massacre ? Why wasnt the Babri Masjid handed over to the Hindus to build a Ram temple in exchange for an alternate land for the Masjid. The fact that the muslim invaders Hindu temples is a historical fact. Not something that RSS / BJP came up with. The only thing that BJP came up with is to use the wishes of the majority population for their Political gain.
5. Congress on the other hand is trying to divide the Hindu votes by caste politics. I guess a Muslim, why should that bother you ? Atleast not untill only Shia or Sunni muslims are given benifit of reservations.
RE:This govt has ZERO achievements: BJP is far ahead of everyone
by Abhishek Banerjee on Oct 25, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
Mr malik, you have shown your inability to see the big picture.
1) the resignation of bhagwat was about office politics, one could talk about Ronen Sen's headless chickens remark etc.
2)Next, you should realize that the IC-214 plane was in a country india didn't even have diplomatic relations with, can you negotiate with Laden?
3)The privatisation of PSUs is the best thing that happened to the country in a long time.
4) In kargil, India could not cross international border, thats why losses were heavy. If we had done so, it would have started nuclear war between india and pakistan.
5) BJP's performance in rural areas was spectacular in 2004. You have your facts wrong.If performance was key, please tell me why Laloo was on the winning side??? Are you claiming Laloo did a lot for development of Bihar?
6) the gujarat riots were in no sense worse than the riots of 1984.
7) Narasimha Rao has already shown how to waste public money on self promotion.
In short, the BJP's misdeeds were just copies of what congress had done several times before (although BJP never snatched away democracy like Indira's emergency) while most of the achievements were new innovative ideas that rejuvenated the nation.
RE:This govt has ZERO achievements: BJP is far ahead of everyone
by Krishna Prasath on Oct 25, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
Chander Malik, In your order of queries
1.When the IA plane was hijacked do you know what the relatives where calling for? will they accept a few loss? 2.For your kind information militancy increase was due to a number of factor a. availability of foreigh terrorists, b. non availability of other operation ground other than in Kashmir 3. It was an intelligence failure (to be frank it was the result of inter-service politics RAW,IB,Police intelligence and policy of non occupation of peaks during winter) 4. You want to keep the PSU non-effective and still take money form gov treasury, i did not understand this logic 5.It may not have been as successful as it was said but it did gave Indians something to feel proud of. 6.Do you think Relance "is" mobile industry? 7.Have you ever visited a real village? do you know on what basis they vote? (if not i have some list, caste, religion, party loyalty) 8.can you prove it? 9. yes accepted, no arguments here, but do you want a list of cong men with bad background? 10.do you think BJP started it?
I am not supporting BJP, I am just saying your arguments may have used something else then this.
RE:This govt has ZERO achievements: BJP is far ahead of everyone
by kshitij tumbde on Oct 25, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
Some of the points you make are really petty and/or commonplace, not worth a merit or they are not even credible
4. they did privatization of PSUs and took laks of jobs of its employees. 5. Lost a big public money in india shining compaign. 6. telephone revolution has started in third front riegme and bjp extended it by let reliance coming in this area by taking a big bribe.
