It nice to see very progressive minded people discussing about entry into Guruvayoor temple. Before we permit entry let us look into few factors.
1. Does the govt. have moral right to interfere in religious practice of a particular commuity. If so will the Govt. take such a stand when it comes to minority community. We have seen many times the Govt. ducking off from the issues.
2. I personaly feel for Mr. Yesudas and Mr. Ravi the matter has become more of ego problem rather than a questionn of religious acceptance. Because these people if permitted in certainly wont stand in a queue they will just barge in through VIP gates while the ordinary people stand. So it is very common for ordiary people like me who come from far flung places to just stand outside and worship and go because of the heavy rush.
3. why doesnt the govt. abolish entry though vip gates while the ordinary people stand so much in for hour carrying small kids. Please save Guruvayoor dont make it a place like other temple where the rich and mighty have the first appointment with the Almighty.
This incident happend few months ago, a mallu christian in saudi, unknowingly took the route to mecca and later he was taken into custody and the saudi court ordered to behead that person immdtly.. When his family at kerala heard the newz they tried contacting all the political person, and luckily they got help our consulate got in touch with saudi govmnt and apologise, later the man was release and they immdtly asked him to get out of saudi and his visa was cancelled, all this happend within hours... So when a non muslim guy who just passed through that route, remember he did not even went inside mecca just for passing the gvmnt ordered for beheading. How do you react to this. Every one will say when there is rule and practice like that in saudi people have to follow that. Similarly when there is some practice in guruvayur temple, people are bound to accept when they enter the temple premises. Have this tanthri done anything agaist the great Ravi's family, whatever he has carried is only for temple premises. How can this be an insult. Where is the case of anti brahminism coming here.... One reader had quoted that all the idols in the temple are naked, when you enter the temple with true devotion you dont sight these things... One thing is clear among our people when we cannot follow traditional things we just comment on them..
Our people are scoundrels. Indians are the most shamesless and disgusting people on earth.
They don't realise that they were able to convert to Islam and Christianity because they were Hindus. How many Muslims and Christians are able to convert to Hinduism.
I have a Christian friend. His family and his relatives's families converted to Christianity (in Guntur, Andhra Pradesh coastal belt). He really regrets converting to Christianity, because he feels it is shallow and empty, when compared to Hinduism. He wants to be a Hindu, but he can not be a Hindu. The people around him will not let him convert to Hinduism.
RE:To quote
by SHAHRUKH NIZAMI on Jun 06, 2007 01:09 PM Permalink
Any doubt Anand Lyer???? you cant hide the truth and you cant stop people saying truth. You better know what is truth.
RE:A woman did not have sex even after marriage
by S_Khan on Jun 06, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
If Draupadi could roam around with 5 husband and still be respectable. If her mother in law could print 5 1 posters then why laugh at others
RE:RE:A woman did not have sex even after marriage
by S_Khan on Jun 06, 2007 12:48 PM Permalink
And icing on that cake is Kunti.... every orphanage is Hastinapur
RE:RE:RE:A woman did not have sex even after marriage
by Dheeraj Akula on Jun 06, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
Yes, that is a sad story. We never glorified Kunti for deserting Karna. She suffered pain throughout her life. We never glorified Kunti or what she did.
But, this virgin woman is glorified. Her virginity is glorified.
RE:RE:RE:RE:A woman did not have sex even after marriage
by S_Khan on Jun 06, 2007 01:00 PM Permalink
Good you admitted, we are not here to abuse Hindus. I have many high class hindu friends.. if I share some thought as an admirer u guys are not supposed to be abusive when there was not a trace of negativity in my todays first posting
RE:RE:RE:RE:A woman did not have sex even after marriage
by Dheeraj Akula on Jun 06, 2007 01:07 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Khan, what does your today's first posting to do with this posting? If somebody reports your message to be abusive, what can I do about it? Some people are really strange!!!
RE:RE:A woman did not have sex even after marriage
by Kittu on Jun 06, 2007 12:41 PM Permalink
Absolutely right.. like the arab child molester who is respected by 1.3 billion duffers, somethins are quite inexplainable.
RE:A woman did not have sex even after marriage
by S_Khan on Jun 06, 2007 12:46 PM Permalink
And icing on that cake is Kunti.... every orphanage is Hastinapur
RE:A woman did not have sex even after marriage
by sreejit steve on Jun 06, 2007 12:42 PM Permalink
Mr.Khan...Draupadi can roam because this is India not Saudi...
Readers, In my opinion, India being secular and with diverse culture, every religion should have the freedom to conduct each one's rituals as per their basic dogmas and faiths and all religions should respect eachother. We should understand, there is only one God for the entire Universe, but the way each one apply to reach God differs. Identical believers of one faith make a religion and in this secular nation this has been the practice and our constitution provides necessary freedom and right to be part of any faith. However, liberalisation of entry even by law will disturb the social balance, whether it is of Hindu, Xstian or Muslims. So is it not better not to go to extreme end of liberalizing and socializing religious faiths and freedom of religious places.
The secret of secularism itself as I believe is the diverse beliefs and faiths which countervail eachother and it is very necessary to maintain this so undisturbed to maintain peace and harmony in the society. Any attempt from the part of Govt. or any section will hurt the feelings of th believers and there may social conflicts. But the fanatics and hard core believers should be ostracised.
Dear Mr. Bhaskar Chattopadhyay understand that Shri. Vayalar Ravi belongs to a Hindu family and nobody doubts it. There remains a tail that his wife belongs from Xian. It would be better when Mr. Vayalar Ravi married her, to keep his faith in Hinduism they ought to have had Shuddhikalasham.
One thing more there, Shri Yeshudas family was also from Hindu Nadar family and further they converted their religion to xian.
Who struggle/quarrel behind this matter have to understand the fact clearly. Thanks to Mr. Bhaskar Chattopadhyay.
RE:Dear Mr. Bhaskar Chattopadhyay understand
by venkat on Jun 06, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
Did Vayalar's ravi's wife explicitly convert to hinduism? Did yesudas did that now after his ancestors convert to christianity.
While among hindus, many people don't have devotion at all. How can we be sure that non hindus go there only for worship and not for wattching lord like a sculpture (artistic)?
RE:Dear Mr. Bhaskar Chattopadhyay understand
by Dheeraj Akula on Jun 06, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
The fact is both Mr. Vayalar Ravi as well as his wife are practising Christians. Mr. Vayalar Ravi is aiming for Hindu votes as well as Christian votes. The Christian wife brings Christian votes. He pretends to be a Hindu, so that he can get Hindu votes.
Mr. Vayalar Ravi's main problem is that he should not be considered a Christian, and he should be considered a Hindu, so that he can get Hindu votes.
At the same time, he will practise Christianity, propagate Christianity and help insitutions propagating Cristianity, so that he can get Christian votes too.
Thanks to Rediff for posting this controvorsial topic... Hey fellow mates understand one thing, since rediff is not having any flash news for to-day they have again posted this topic on the headlines.... Hope you people now understand what is media... Though the issue can be sorted out very easily the media is not interested in easy solutions. If vayalar ravi apologise or if the thanthri apologise do you think this issue will come to end ????????.... No NO . This solution end will lead to a beginning for another problem and that would be triggered by media....
Wonder nonobody is pointing fingers on the owner of this temple..the 'Secular'Govt. of Kerala headed by non-believers!! all these thantri, and other priests are onle there to execute the rituals. Why cant they bring the reform and close this crap..why they are afraid to remove the board - non hindus are not allowed to enter - signed by Manager ..and not by the thantri or any other brahmin!!
RE:Blame Game!!!
by Prasanth Varma on Jun 06, 2007 12:33 PM Permalink
Hi Sam..hope u r fm Kerala and understand the uniqueness of Kerala temple rituals..this is the only place wher the priests will not touch others once they take bath. I do not want any arti to be stopped..let all believers enter and pray..but to attain bliss u need not go to temple at all, u can always meditate sittin wherever u r!! my question is if the entry is an issue why the LDF and UDF govts (Mr. Ravi was also a minister in the state once) did not take any action in the past? why r these guys abusing both thantri & Ravi where no constructive action is coming from the owner's side??
That is good point. How can these people ask to reform without giving the basis on which it should be reformed? this is what i meant. Tx for ur nice reply.
I think someday such a forum might lead to riots because of foolish comments made by individuals who are literate enough but not "educated" to understand that religion is personal.
I found the priest explanation fairly logical and there does not seem to be any malice on his part.
I don't see the discussions below talking anything about whats written above. Add value to the write-up or our knowledge base. I read comments to understand perspectives and not to see some silly fights.
This is not a forum to target Christians, Muslims, Brahmins or SC/ST/OBCs. But inspite of this some "educated" frustrated soul will come out and reply with harsh words to this message too. There is a lot of pent up anger - release it, but not to fill up about 30 pages of junk on this site!
RE:Idiotic Messages
by MJ on Jun 06, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
Im glad you approve that religion is personal. I thought all churches preached religion is personal only for Christianity and people from all other religions should be converted (better than Islam which preaches people from all religions should be killed!)
