I fully endorse Dr AN Prasad's concerns for India's long term national and defence interests which seem to be ignored as has been the case in the past. Using ambiguity or ambivalence to mask the reality is no substitute to clarity and indeed counter productive.Look at all the past agreements:Simla Agreement,we have yet to resolve the kashmir dispute despite loosing heavily on manpower and finance; Panch Sheel and Agreements with China accepting Chinese Soveriegnty over Tibet has brought the "Dragon" to our borders and indeed allowed it to completely encirle us creating disturbances on our borders and turning border states hostile.Trying to hoodwink US through use of clever language will NEVER pay. In fact it is really meant to hoodwink our own people as has been done in the past. We must oppose the deal which restricts our right to develop as a nucleaur State both for energy and weapons as well as impinges on our Independence and freedom.
concerns shown in this article are well placed,however it is very difficult for us to just leave this so-important agreement in jeopardy only because we are to compromise on certain trifle points. we cannot expect any country like the US to accept all our terms and conditions in a single go. if we need the cooperation of this superpower in higher fields of science and technology then we must be prepared to move gradually in that direction. all of a sudden we cant get everything. in any negotiation parties have to leave some ground for the other. it cant be that the other side have to concede unilaterally. we have our technological need, and the US has to engage India in the larger framework of its nuclear policy. adamant posture from any side would kill this important agreement between these two countries.leave something for the future to unfoldand evolve.
RE:on nuclear deal
by Raja Bhattacharya on Jul 28, 2007 09:53 AM Permalink
Right said! Thanks for being the voice of reason. We somehow expect every other country to sacrifice their national interest for ours! The US is trying to partner with us, while protecting their own national interest. What's wrong with that?
We should not fall into the trap of USA and western imperalist forces and should not sign the proposed 123 agreement, which is the death warrant of INDIAN DEMOCRACY AND INTEGRITY. Already there are number of cases are coming in recent days about the CIA's trap on India's freedom and their role on support of seperatists like Khalistan / North Eastern insurgency, role to penetrate Indian soil through different fields, role of removing various heads of past in India etc. So FOR THE SAKE OF INDIA'S INDEPENDENCE and INTEGRITY, UPA govt. SHOULD NOT SELL THIS COUNTRY AND NOT BECOME UNPATRITOTIC FORCE in Indian minds forever. The supporters of signing this 123 agreement whehether it is UPA allies or Leftists or opposition parties, they will have to pay heavy price and future generation of India will not forgive them at any cost.
RE:WE SHOULD NOT FALL INTO THE TRAP OF US!!!
by ramkrishna on Jul 28, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
we already spoiled our country to a great extent, you see now every body those who are educated or in business or even in government the life has changed from 1991 because of our policies are changed, from independence you went behind russia what you got, old useless guns, and he taken away your agriculture good quality products at a pea nutprices, at least we went along with USA we got good education and good medical facilities, why you dont go to russia to get operated or for higher studies, because it is outdated technology and they wont treat you like americans, Keep your mouth shut and live what america says you will prosper and your children will prosper and your country will prosper, for a huge population like us and 50 percent below poverty better first we try to meet our liveliwood, then nuclear,
RE:RE:WE SHOULD NOT FALL INTO THE TRAP OF US!!!
by Maan Singh on Jul 28, 2007 10:44 AM Permalink
hey loser Ramkrishna post some fresh message , Just Pasting same thing .
RE:WE SHOULD NOT FALL INTO THE TRAP OF US!!!
by namitanshu vatsa on Jul 28, 2007 09:59 AM Permalink
this argument is nothing but ridiculous, reflecting the way of thinking of cold-war era. keeping our own interest we have to deal with any country whether the US or iran. we are strong enough to withstand any pressure from any power. no one can impose anything on us. there is nothing wrong in coming into any agreement on equal terms with US.
RE:WE SHOULD NOT FALL INTO THE TRAP OF US!!!
by Raja Bhattacharya on Jul 28, 2007 09:50 AM Permalink
Stop this ignorant bull-shit please! Without US presence in this region, we would have Afghani and Paki militants swarming all over India. It is the US which keeps a check on Pakistan and China. Next you will blame the US for the leakage in your gas cylinders, and the traffic congestion in your city. You are living in the Cold War era, please wake up and update yourself! The world has changed.
Hey people - please LET A GOOD THING HAPPEN, and don't stand in the way! The problem with India is that we have too much democracy. Even ignorant jerks can voice their opinions and stop the pace of progress. And the less said about the Left parties the better. That's why nothing good gets done in this country. The U.S. bent backwards to give India this unique honor in the world, but our so-called great scientists and technocrats, some of who cannot fix a bulb in the holder, will keep barking! Ask these so-called scientists why they send their sons and marry off their daughters in the U.S.! Ask them why they obtained their degrees in the U.S., and not Russia. Such double standards, hypocrisy and ingorance!
RE:Too much democracy
by Satish G on Jul 28, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
surrendering energy security, national security and foreign policy is not a good thing.
With out this deal we make take 5 to 10 years more to get to same growth level which this deal is supposedly bring to india.
Shame on you get your facts stright. Dr. A.N. Prasad is a very renowned scientist, former BARC director. He has worked all his life in reprocessing technology from building INDIA's first reprocessing plant in 1960's even before we had our first reactor. He has gunine points. If the deal is good as the government says it is, we all will be very happy including Dr. Prasad.
Government should come clean by releasing complete text of the deal to public.
RE:Too much democracy
by devendra jain on Jul 28, 2007 09:34 AM Permalink
can you ask your sweety and cheater Sonia to instruct Manmohan for releasing the actual draft for public view. They are hiding all information, as Sonia wants this to happen, as she had got crores of dollers from america.
And Manmohan does not speak even a word without her instruction, thus at least ask sonia to instruct this puppet.
RE:Too much democracy
by on Jul 28, 2007 09:45 AM Permalink
You are simply a jerk and stupid. This is not a unique honor for India in the world. People like you are always in illusion about the right place for India in World. This deal is a double edge sword for USA. One side will ensure that smooth and cheap supply of petrolium for USA's domestic market and enegize a dormant civil nuclear industry in USA. Other side will allow USA and its allies access to India's strategic programme thus allow them to control it at their convenience. Grow up and try to understand the real consequence of such deal.
RE:RE:Too much democracy
by Raja Bhattacharya on Jul 28, 2007 10:06 AM Permalink
The civil nuclear industry in USA is dormant? That's a joke - where do you live man, in some Bihar village or something? Atleast get your facts right! The US civnuke industry is a kick-ass thriving robust industry, from whom we are now set to benefit. See people, this is what I meant when I said any jerk can write anything without checking facts. Mr. AS is an example.
1. You harp on "cold war thinking". I havent seen anybody say "do a deal with Russia". all they are saying is don't compromise on the long term. 2. You call others "ignorant jerks". I assume you are an authority on nuclear technology, Indo-US dynamics, US strategic interests and US civnuke industry. Please enlighten us ignorant jerks about your credentials and achievements. 3. Your reference to "so called scientists who cannot fix a bulb" was interesting. When these "so called, unable to fix a bulb" scientists can make India into a defacto nuke power, I am amazed at what all can an authority on everything under the sun like you can achieve. Man, don't hold back, not now at least. Just show these ignorant jerks. 4. Bihar is so disgusting naa. Now, didn't I say you are one of those emancipated souls who by some cruel joke did happen to be born in India. Such emancipated thinking, such broad outlook, such rationalism - man you definitely belong in the US. India is such a stinking waste of time. 4. So did you finally get your greencard.
RE:Too much democracy
by Raja Bhattacharya on Jul 28, 2007 11:46 AM Permalink
good attempt at display of wit, ms. yadav - i can already hear all the biharis and armchair patriots clapping - i dont want to get into a war of words with you on the nuclear deal - i can bypass you in my knowledge of the deal, as well as sarcasm, but its really not worth my time - all i can say is that those people in singh's and bush's teams who are burning the midnight oil in building bridges between our two great nations are much more erudite than you or me - they, not you or me, will leave behind their marks on the sands of time - so let them do your work, and go do some grassroots work for bihar, if you feel so strongly about it - leave the nuke deal to the pm and the prez - as for the green card, it looks like a case of sour grapes - you sound like you applied and never got it!
RE:RE:Too much democracy
by Satish G on Jul 28, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
Dude you keep arguing with out facts. Basically you have no argument on techinical ground so you are bringing all kinds of issues instead of discussing points raised by Dr. A.N. Prasad.
RE:Too much democracy
by Satish G on Jul 28, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
US did not build or get approval for new reactor design for electricty generation in 30 years.
Your above statement shows your knowledege about world nuclear industry.
Just to let you know US is a lagard in reprocessing technology. They are even behind INDIA in reprocessing technology.
RE:Too much democracy
by Raja Bhattacharya on Jul 28, 2007 12:07 PM Permalink
don't you dude me, mister - if you have the ammunition to support dr. a.n. prasad, please go and put them forth to india's nuclear guru anil kakodkar who just cleared the agreement - he should know more than all of us here.
RE:Too much democracy
by Satish G on Jul 29, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
I say the same to you. If you have ammunition againest Dr.A.N.Prasad, supporting Kakodkar bring it on in terms of techinical points. You keep bashing Dr. A.N. Prasad for raising genuine concerns. With out any techinical points to support your argument you cannot side with kakodkar who is clearly sidelined in the talks and pressurized to accept a compromize.
Dr. A.N.Prasad who is one of the father figures for indian reprocessing techonology. With out A.N. Prasad's contributions there whould have been no fast breeders and kakodkar's dream project AHWR and nuclear weapons and last but not the least no nuclear deal to disuss.
Let kakodkar/Narayanan answer all the questions raised by experts and parlimenterians in the parliment. I don't say members of all members of parliment are worried about national interests/security (I beleive Sonia and MMS are also not worried about national interests) but, atleast it will be transperant for all indians citizens to see and make up their mind.
Why is this secreacy and selective leaks unless you have something to hide? Clearly american intrepetation is different from what the we are intepreting [http://washingtontimes.com/article/20070727/FOREIGN/107270097/1001]. This will cause more problems in future.
Government should make text of the 123 document avaliable to all experts and important law makers.
RE:RE:Too much democracy
by Satish G on Jul 29, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
Dr.A.N.Prasad is completely impartial because he is retired and has no expectations for himself from government.
RE:RE:RE:Too much democracy
by Satish G on Jul 29, 2007 12:14 AM Permalink
Sonia gandi is interested, MMS clears little about national security and energy security as long finance minister inside him is satisfied.
RE:Too much democracy
by devendra jain on Jul 28, 2007 09:31 AM Permalink
Seems you are real stupid to favor Manmohan and your sweety Sonia. We do have lot of thorium ores and should explore nuclear energy from this source not from american fuel. It is a real sad situation to see our government bowing under American pressure.
It is only because of too much democracy, people like you are ruling and shouting in the favor of the dirtiest agreement, we are going to have after independence.
Indian Government has bowed down in front of USA. it has been the working style of Congress and now with a Italian at the helm of affairs, nothing better can be expected.
USA for long has been trying to tie India down and keep it under and this is the first step in that direction.
RE:RE:Not At aLL
by devendra jain on Jul 28, 2007 09:30 AM Permalink
Seems you are real stupid to favor Manmohan and your sweety Sonia. We do have lot of thorium ores and should explore nuclear energy from this source not from american fuel. It is a real sad situation to see our government bowing under American pressure.
Basically to me it looks like the indian side caved down rather than the american side. So far all i am seeing is propoganda from the GOI and the fact that the actual draft is not being released implies its going to be contraversial. The main question is what has the indian government given up? So far it looks like the INdian Fast Breeder Program will be under civilian rule.
in my view the prime minister is a rubber stamp.all the shots are fired by sonya,an italian, who in turn is influenced by foreign vested interests.if at all the govt is honest, let it form a committee comprising of nuclear scintist , military ,intillegence,raw,diplomats,economist and other experts as needed to neogotiate the nuclear deal.only then will we come up to a safe and profitable deal.other wise it is a eye wash by both manmohan , sonya and their puppets. jai hind
RE:nuclear deal
by Bhupinder Singh on Jul 28, 2007 07:21 AM Permalink
ALL INDIAN POLITICIAN AT PRESENT ARE NOVICE, THEY ARE MASTER IN MANIPULATION AND GOOF UP,, THEY ARE MATURE TO SIGN THE DEAL OF NEUCLEAR ENERGY, IT IS BTTER FORM UP A COMMITTEE OF ALL EMINENT SCIENTIST AND BIG INTELLECTUAL TO FINALISE,,, OTHERWISE IT IS TOO MATURE TO ACCEPT ALL THE CLAUSES OF US WITHOUT ANY NATIONALINTEREST
RE:nuclear deal
by Regal Bangalore on Jul 28, 2007 06:36 AM Permalink
We in the East should realise how USA has treated all its allies if they are not from the West. As for Manmohan the less said the better.
Well, why any oone should listen to USA ? Aren't we free ... Didn't we get fredom from British, now that we are appeasing another Market Invader ? We could have bargained a lot if our BARC guys had done some thing spectacular, unfortunatly nothing ! Now the time is running out, there is no water in reservoirs, rain is going to be either too much or tool less, Indian coal is inferior, with more global warming and restrictions, it will become difficult to burn them, other exotic energy types (solar, wind, hydrogen ..ect) need lot of research and investments and if it is entrusted to another BARC type organisation we can expect another 50 years of silence from them...also our opulation is huge and these exotics will cost too much...
Even though Nuclear Energy is not very safe, but India has isolated islands, such as andaman, and Lakshadweep, make them as Nuclear SEZs and even if we loose them due to disaster or sabotage, probably it can be contained....Any thoughts from any one ...???
RE:Nuclear Energy SEZ
by hi on Jul 28, 2007 01:41 AM Permalink
Even paki has nuclear plants all around their country, do you think place deficiency for India?
RE:Nuclear Energy SEZ
by Guru HM on Jul 28, 2007 01:45 AM Permalink
So what are you trying to say ... That we build Nuclear palnts all over the country and become sitting Ducks !!! In Pak very soon it will be operated by Taliban !
I hope you know Nuclear Energy ...and we are not talking about "Tandoor Oven" here...
RE:Nuclear Energy SEZ
by hi on Jul 28, 2007 01:56 AM Permalink
We have 6th sense now days in this computer world. Think about match box. You can cook wonderful receipies w/ that as well as burn your home. Don't you have common sense to utilize match box. Like that talk & act like a 21st century man, not like 8th century man. I have to go. You continue your talk (bluff), some one other than me will answer you.
RE:Nuclear Energy SEZ
by jd engineer on Jul 28, 2007 07:12 AM Permalink
Shame on you all for commenting in such negative and personal level! You all are educated and learned people. Why can't you all respect other's views in a civilised way and comment intelligently also in a civilised way? It's about time you all rise upto being a civilised person first. I feel sad for you people stooping so low to express yourself. Is this future of our country?
RE:Nuclear Energy SEZ
by Noor Ahmed on Jul 28, 2007 11:33 AM Permalink
Because of such uncivilized, ill mannered, calreless, irresponsible people our discussions loose focus and they rarely contribute towards any potentially productive conclusion. Also, that is the reason why we are loosing our real talents, who are capable to contribute to building dream India. Such brains are draining out to civilised and sensible societies outta India.
Bottom line: INDIANS INDIANS EVERYWHERE, INDIA IS NOWHERE!!
RE:RE:Nuclear Energy SEZ
by Guru HM on Jul 28, 2007 06:48 AM Permalink
Alright buddy...some people (like you) eat lot of pizza and only hot air comes out of them from behind... U say you are 21st century man....still talk about match stick..... and some nonsense sixth sense .... Y don't you check into some rehab....atleast I had some suggestion on the article.... but you had only hot air BS comments .... Did you pass your high school with some grace marks ....
RE:RE:Nuclear Energy SEZ
by hi on Jul 28, 2007 01:47 AM Permalink
Shall I cut the power of your home & give some one else, are you ready to stay in dark for ever?
RE:RE:RE:Nuclear Energy SEZ
by Guru HM on Jul 28, 2007 06:30 AM Permalink
Try cutting your own home power and see how it looks ...y take trouble cutting my home power ... PLz. do this today itself.
RE:Nuclear Energy SEZ
by Satish G on Jul 28, 2007 12:17 PM Permalink
Most of the people here are talking with out knowing what they are taling. You say BARC has not delivered anything let me list you some
1) 220 MWe, 540 MWe, 700MWe PHWR reactors. 2) Nuclear weapons. 3) Tritium production. 4) Pilot fast breeder and thorium reactors. 5) Constructing 500MWe Fast breeder reactor. 6) Final safety review of AHWR (Thorium reactor) near completion before construction begins. 7) Lead of atleast 15 years over rest of the world in thorium research [INDIA is the only country in the world that consistently did research for last 25 years in thorium]. 8) The data provided by INDIA to IAEA on thorium is international benchmark. 9) INDIA is leading in reprocessing technology. Barak Obhama potential decomoratic presidential for 2009 questioned condilica rice if US will have access to INDIAN reprocessing technology and she replied in affirmative. [This was live telecast on C-SPAN before HYDE Act].
Get your facts stright and get a life before you talk.
