this is the problem with the people of india.infact i should say bloody people of india.people of a particular state are happy that president is from their state,but they dont think what president can do for them.is he corrupt or not?i hope that these impotent people of india shall wake up from their sleep and try to acheive something positive for their nation which was glorious up to 4 th century bc only.god help the indians.prathiba patil is just a puppet in the hands of sonia.so beware.
RE:Balasaheb Zindabad
by Milind on Jul 22, 2007 01:45 PM Permalink
Wake up...! These are the congy monkeys who are known for their notorious back stabbing...
She is anyways a lame puppet in the hands of congy monkeys so not of any use to 'Marathi Manus'...
Flush them out would be better. These idiots are silly sychophants. I have read some idiots speaking of Aryan and Dravidians. We have to come out this British and neo British in the name of Secularists of this notion.
RE:Balasaheb Zindabad
by Amol Thosar on Jul 22, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
None of you unfortunately understand Maharashtrians. If there're any True Indians, they are Maharashtrians, the humble people of the Great Maharashtra.
Talk about South(y)s first. Most of the folks from these states entertain ONLY their local language. ONLY their people are getting elected in the state elections. They pull down the outsider. They don't like to speak English, leave alone the National Hindi. None of their ancestors ever fought in the Freedom Fight. Now think do you guys have any right whatsoever to accuse the Great Maharashtrians?
As for the North guys, you think you're superior to other Indians & that you're Aryans coz the Hindi is National Language & that you stay in North. Your contribution to Freedom Fight is noteworthy, specially the sikh community. But you're very arrogant & never respect other's opinions & easily stand for fights. Seldom do you've the capability & willingness to indulge in intelligent debates. Same applies about solving an issue or positive contribution.
The Great Maharashtra has given you food, shelter safety. The Maharashtrians were friendly to all of you to such an extent that they even gave up their regional language Marathi for you. They sent you to their state parliament & to National assembly on behalf of the Great Maharashtra. And what they got in return???
Lame promises?? Accusations?? Hatred?? getting taunted by others of being too friendly???
WAKE-UP GUYS. If we fight, it would be really very hard for you ALL!
RE:Balasaheb Zindabad
by ashok leyland on Jul 22, 2007 01:55 PM Permalink
You nasty shortsighted regionalist! If you kick out non maharasthrians from MUmbai, Mumbai would collapse and shrink amaller than Nasik. The country's economy you pathetic dreamer is not run by Maharashtrians, but by Indians from all states.
And you show your true colours when all you refer to Mumbai. For your information Mumbai is not Maharashtra. You of course could not care less about the rest of Maharashtra like Shiv Sena.
They were supposed to protect the local people, an honourable intention, but ended up supporting fascist views that harm their people most since other parts of India have less paranoid governments. If Shiv Sena is so good how come they have not been able to control the terrorist attacks even just in Mumbai? Why is the transport system so poor? You are labouring under a false illusion when you congratulate Patil for being first Maharashtrian president. This is not a Miss India contest. This is a public office that represents ALL of India, and whether we like it or not, Maharashtra is one SMALL part of this.
RE:RE:Balasaheb Zindabad
by Amol Thosar on Jul 22, 2007 09:00 PM Permalink
Nasty shortsighted regionalists stay in North, East & South. Now they've came begging to Maharashtra for shelter & food & to lea a prosperous life. It's been happening since the formation of Mumbai.
I agree with what you said about Shiv Sena. In fact Shiv Sena, Congress & every party cunningly murdered the dreams of humble people of Maharashtra.
But your views about Maharashtra are pretty much biased. Don't forget if we behave like the South(y)s to hoot & trouble the outsiders, your life in Mumbai would be miserable.
Regards business being run by Non-Maharashtrians, if you really want to test it, you're welcome to go out of Maharashtra. We can handle our own business. It's out politeness & laziness which was badly used by you all.
Regards inadequate facilities being provided in Mumbai, contribute that to the illegal immigrants from Bangladesh & other parts of India who land up in Mumbai in hordes in the wake of job, food & shelter. This would immensely strain infrastructure of any city in any part of world. Add to it the pathetic attention or lack of it given by the central government.
These thugs collect the most taxes & profits being generated from Mumbai & Maharashtra and use it to provide infrastructure to Bihar & UP where people don't pay a damn for the transport & hence where the transport is in Huge Loss.
Now tell me, after patiently witnessing this all since our Independence, should the Maharashtrians still keep quiet & not fight back for their right
RE:Balasaheb Zindabad
by ashok leyland on Jul 22, 2007 09:49 PM Permalink
So admit it that- Shiv Sena cannot control Mumbai, let alone all Maharashtra. Looks like you know little about business. Mumbai maybe where the share market is but there are businesses all over India contributing to the economy, one small example: Bangalore, or maybe 2 : Chennai. I appreciate your defence of Mumbai but not the excuses made for the ruling party, why don't you Mumbaiites ask your own government why there is so much lacking instead of blaming the others as usual? As you yourself admit taxes are paid in "Mumbai and Maharashtra" (didn't know Mumbai was a separate entity), now who is paying those taxes? ONly Maharashtrians? I don't think so, therefore you must admit your wealth is collective wealth that comes from all businesses whether Maharashtran or not. You cannot divide India and impose the presence of local populations only. Would your fellow Maharashtrans willingly leave Karnataka to the Kannadigas, Tamilnadu to the Tamils etc; etc;? You are all trying to divide India not integrate. We need to look after the regions, protect the artistic and traditional heritage, but also uplift the poor. So instead of booting out competent people, try and learn to get along improving everyone%u2019s standard of living. Besides we all know that local governments blame the Bangladeshis then eat their votes with glee.
RE:RE:Balasaheb Zindabad
by Amol Thosar on Jul 22, 2007 11:33 PM Permalink
Though your intention appers good to have a united populace of India, the reasoning is biased Also it lacks the overall view. Let me elaborate:
Any local party like ShivSena, be it AIDMK or DMK or whatever elsewhere could survive ONLY if they have the support first from the localities. If they loose it, they would loose the strength. ShivSena in recent past is moving away from Marathis & hence loosing support. But it doesn't men they can't control Maharashtra, let alone Mumbai. It's the people of local people of Maharashtra, aka Marathis, who need to do it.
You've correct in saying that there're businesses all over India. Add to it that either small or large scale. But is there any such variety of businesses being run?
Don't even compare B'lore or Madras with Mumbai. It's impossible. The localities in those cities never mix & allow others to even speak Hindi or respond positively to their views. Would the same happen in Mumbai? No, the people of Maharashtra are too humble & polite. They go beyond what they need to do to welcome an outsider, stranger.
It appears that your knowledge of politics & overall economy is weak. Every state government depends heavily on Central Government. That's why we have a budget with billions of losses. The point here is the other states have adequate representation in assembly & they unite to fight for the rights of their state. The lazy Marathi politicians fight among themselves & hence Maharashtra is deprived of Central Govt funds..
RE:RE:Balasaheb Zindabad
by Amol Thosar on Jul 22, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
Also remember, only a small populace of the outsiders is tax-payers. The slums that someone mentioned elsewhere formed by illegal people staying in Maharashtra use facilities but never pay taxes. Same goes for large Bollywood stars that use all facilities of Mumbai & never pay taxes. These are the folks I%u2019m referring to. I%u2019m not pointing towards faithful outsiders who pay the taxes and are otherwise law abiding citizens. These people would always be welcomed with open hands by the localities here.
Speaking of dividing India, this all started from you guys. If you can open your eyes & are honest to accept the facts, you could see each & every South state imposes & asks to promote the localities. Same I True for North & East. Go to Bengal & you wouldn%u2019t be surprised to see Bengalis always insisting to promote localities everywhere. Maharashtrians though progress everywhere lacked to notice this cunning strategy. We should have started doing this long time back along with the folks from other states. It%u2019s now very late & that%u2019s why this all resistance from you guys. Amusing part is you do the same thing back in your state but when Maharashtrians started doing it recently, there was so much hush about it.
To your topic of Mumbai & Maharashtra, it%u2019s an observed fact that there%u2019s big difference in the tax collection in cities & rural parts of a state. Till recent times, that's not true in Maharashtra. Mumbai was, is & will be a part of Maharashtra. No Two thoughts about it.
RE:Balasaheb Zindabad
by Sameer Bhagwat on Jul 22, 2007 02:16 PM Permalink
Good and hopefully the marathis can leave the other states. Pratibha should live in the slum wonderland called Mumbai and not in Delhi.
RE:RE:Balasaheb Zindabad
by Amol Thosar on Jul 22, 2007 11:05 PM Permalink
Marathis would be eager to leave other states if you hordes of outsiders leave Mumbai! Slums are formed thanks to illegal immigrants from Bangladesh & outsiders like you coming from All parts of India who sty here illegally.
If you hate these slums so much then ask you brothers, sisters & other relatives to go their village & never return back. You guys were given shelter out of pity & humanity & now you're trying to move out the original children of this land?
You're fortunate that Marathi guys are very humble & polite but there's a limit for everything. IF you guys step across it, you would repent it for generations (if ever you could produce those). Enough of this stupid play with the emotions of Marathi guys. Go back & spare yourself & Mumbai.
RE:Terminator
by Vinay Joshi on Jul 22, 2007 01:49 PM Permalink
y dont u try to do it...its soo easy to talk about patriotism sitting on ur comfortable chair under AC...get a life dude
RE:RE:Terminator
by Santosh Singh on Jul 22, 2007 01:56 PM Permalink
We are a nation of incapable person. Any revolution is no more a thought apart from few instances. We keep pointing fingers at each other but never take the task of doing it by ourself. I am not at a terminator level but at least better than those couch potatoes fellow where it is not limited to my room and AC as thought by you.
Entire India welcomed Sonia decision to make Dr. Manmohan Singh as PM of India...his clean and excellent political , proffessional and acadamic life...I think no one in India has such strong resume....
off...what has been done now....
lets hope time will fly and we will get rid of tainted person in public life
RE:The Tainted Puppet....
by marat on Jul 22, 2007 01:43 PM Permalink
all these words are frustrated sanghes foul cry let reassure each yourselves and dream because even BJP MLA's dont have trust in your party .They vote againist shekavath in gujarath,Bihar, Arunachal pradesh etc..NDAs partners vote aganist BJP candidate, in Four states he has got Zero votes!! then why cant you beleve the common people already chucked the bjp out in the garbage
when i read before this forum,i thougt Prahtiba may get stiff competition from Bjp supporters for president candidature.Now she elected by Majority,like this one can This BJP can bark,no impact on Big India.
RE:forget these stupid hatred spreading peoples
by ritesh mishra on Jul 22, 2007 01:43 PM Permalink
hi mr jeelani! we all know why you like Prathiva so much.. modern indians .. corrupt ,inefficient and talent less ... but it is all politics bhai ! chalta hai... Hats of to KALAM .. at least someone after K R naryana .. lent some credit to the post!.. n mr jeelani keep fooling yourself!
Regarding Ms. Pratibha Patil%u2019s election as President: Shiv Sena is so shortsighted they cannot see beyond their noses. I might be able to appreciate regionalism to some extent, but not at the expense of the entire country's well being. This is sheer stupidity. Prof. Kalam looks eccentric, is knowledgeable and has presence. Probably was the only Indian president to have captured the interests of journalists world wide. Appearances are not all but in today's exceedingly shallow and superficial world, they do help.
RE:The President
by Amol Thosar on Jul 22, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
On this topic, any sane Indian would have the same opinion as you, may be except for the regionalist South(y)s. It's our misfortune to have this lady being chosen. IF Sonia to lure folks of Maharashtra wanted to elect a Marathi lady, there are quite a few other capable ladies.
For that matter, anyone who could be the probable successor to Dr. Kalam would have got compared to him & taunted adversely. But she' just too much!
One would think that in 2007 Indians too in the end would realize the necessity to have a dynamic, charismatic figure as president. This person must visit different countries show that India today is capable of offering good investment and business opportunities, assist in getting Indians abroad good treatment and show people at home and outside the dignity and pride of India. Can she do this? Will she represent India as growing world economy or the prejudiced universal view of India motherland of starving millions? Now Ms.Patil not only lacks all these qualities, but appears to be a lady that has suffered the indignities of war and not got over it. She could represent the suffering Indians but does not. She has no charm that one can see or observe in her remarks.
Well if we are looking at Presidentship as "Brand Ambassador" on the World Stage, then Shilpa Sethi could do a better job.
But if you look at Presidentship in the context of Today's Indian Political Scenario where Coalition Govt. is the order of the day not only at the centre but also in many states, we need to have a President with huge experience in Political arena.
And Mrs. Patil fits the bill.
She has more than 40 years of Political life, more than 25 years as MLA, Cabinet Minister holding all most all portfolio in some or other time, oppsion leader, Lok Sabha Member, Rajya Sabha Member and Deputy Chairperson.
She is as experienced as outgoing VP Shri Shekhawat, more literate though.
She has very strong view-points and has never been shy of expressing. Recent "purdah controvery" is one of that proof. It might not have been politically correct at that point of time, but she only expressed her view-point which was one of many view-points by historians on "purdah system".
Though she is loyal to congress, she surely has independent mind. That politicians in Maharashtra were witness in 1980's.
So you need to look at Presidentship in different context than how she looks etc..
RE:Pratibha Patil
by ashok leyland on Jul 22, 2007 09:56 PM Permalink
I don't think you were paying enough attention: I said that capabilities and dynamic figure is what we need, I did not mention the so called idea of beauty that you feel corresponds to Shilpa Shetty, nor testimonial to a product. As you yourself point out she is not even politically correct. We need new ideas, progressive thinking not the ancient political thoughts that has kept India under developed for the past 60 years.
I am really sorry to write upper statement but it is true in context of India, here people can do any thing to for their cast, region, and religion. They always keep their fake honor of region and religion on top, they do or die for the name of region and religion but do not do the same for the name of country, thats why we got PP as a president, now accept the truth and pay her HONOUR, This is the question of your loyality towards country and faith in Democracy. Dont curse any person or party because all the parties including BJP and SHIV SENA in western state voted her. Once again it is clear that indians do not give first priority to nationalism or coutry which does not come even as a second though, it comes in the last and mostly absent in priority lists. We often give preference to our region, language and religion and everything to show it bigger. And same thing happens in elections, here too all the honourable people voted on personal frames not in the name of nationalism/ country, No where indians are united in the name of country, anybody can divide them easily by oiling their emotions on personal issues cast, creed, region and language, this is the only saddest thing coming out in this election. The good thing that we are not heading by cutoxy butane and we first got lady President.
RE:Race, Region and Religion is Bigger then Country.
by ashok leyland on Jul 22, 2007 01:43 PM Permalink
Sorry, but presidentship is NOT a reward for loyalty to the country. I am loyal to it but I will never be elected president because of this!
We need someone who will give India status within and outside the country. Someone with fresh thoughts, far vision and new ideals. I agree that a lady President is good, but will this lady work to better the situation of all the women in India who have no rights, no privileges? Will she really battle for women's equality in this world of discrimination? Will she step in to remind the government its duties when they tend to forget them? Will she bring prestige to India? IF she can be accountable for this then she is the right person.
RE:26th ..always disastorous for India.....
by marat on Jul 22, 2007 01:27 PM Permalink
all these words are frustrated sanghes foul cry let reassure each yourselves and dream because even BJP MLA's dont have trust in your party .They vote againist shekavath in gujarath,Bihar, Arunachal pradesh etc..NDAs partners vote aganist BJP candidate, in Four states he has got Zero votes!! then why cant you beleve the common people already chucked the bjp out in the garbage .
RE:26th ..always disastorous for India.....
by Anuranjan Mohnot on Jul 22, 2007 01:32 PM Permalink
Its not BJP or Congress...but atleast the Puppet should not be Tainted...
RE:26th ..always disastorous for India.....
by Libran on Jul 22, 2007 01:38 PM Permalink
These are the words of arrognace!! In victory one should alwys be humble and careful (Careful becuase in your enthusiasm to support SM Gahndi, D et. al Mafia inc, you are ignoring or overlooking blow to India's political and social dangers lurking due to spineless PM and president.
Always the neo converts are more enthusiastic to show their loyalty to the new group. Shiv (Is that a correct spelling?) Sena has proved that yet again!! Desh bhakti ek Mukotha! Asli Manzil - Mahasthra Ka Power!!
