PTI is third rate yellow news agency. Its a news item and they begin with their opinion - "In another case of stress....." How did they come to that conclusion. At least the dead captain deserves better. PTI is still living in the past. They still think they can get away with such rubbish. Rediff, pls. boycott such worthless news agencies.
RE:In another case of stress...???
by nidhish on Jul 02, 2007 10:19 AM Permalink
Yes i agree but if the news is correct than that officer who is respossible should be punished max. Indian army is not a doll that anyone will play with it,its a team work and collective ownership everyone has to take the respossibility.
RE:indian women
by T a s i n on Jul 02, 2007 10:19 AM Permalink
what was the verse Noel.. u know u will b lambasted by feminists for writing all this.. though u r correct to a certain extent. though i do not like stereotyping woman as such but there is unnecessary feeling of competing inculcated in women as a sign of liberalisation. Why women have to prove in every sphere of life to compete with men and do everything what men can do, to prove they are really liberated. I think Western men have very shrewedly encouraged this idea in women to their benefit actually. Why never men were asked n encouraged to do whatever women can do as a sign of being really liberated men. See the hypocrisy n bigotry..
RE:RE:indian women
by noel on Jul 02, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
the verse is "shoodra, ganwar, dhol, pashu, naari, ye sab taadan ke adhikari" means lower caste people, illiterates, Drum(instrument), animal and women, they all should be under surveilance all the time....your point is very valid but the thing is that western women have the confidence and ego to carry themselves even without a man in their lives....where as Indian women they need a man but want to portray an image where they are seen as independent and emancipated.....its a fact that more girls in India than boys are induldging in pre marital sex, they have to understand one thing and that is that whether its the knife falling on a pumpkin or the pumpkin on the knife...what gets sliced is well known....
RE:RE:RE:indian women
by aus ant on Jul 02, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
Knife and pumpkin - nice metaphors there, noel :) May be an apple would have been better than the pumpkin. Yeah, the knife always goes in.
RE:indian women
by parvez shaikh on Jul 02, 2007 10:39 AM Permalink
I wish Mr. Noel had shown more sensitivity to the issue. Rather than launching a testortone laden tirade against women and generalising and trivialising, he could have tried to understand, that it was an individual who committed suicide and not the entire female gender.
Even men soldiers commit suicide, but do you start blaming the entire male gender and label them as nincompoop?
After ages of suppression, Women are striving to come to terms and try to live as equals with men in the modern era, I think, we should be supportive of them and not belittle them for not being equal to task matching men in mundane tasks.
Bet Mr. Noel cannot match women working in the kitchen, raising a family, nourishing, cherishing, caring, keeping the family together.
Mr. Noel, let us look at all the good points in women and ignore those little things they are not good at. It is nature. We are good at certain things, they are good at others. So why trash them?
I say aye to all those women who wish to join predominantly male dominated fields and hope conditions are made conducive for them to succeed. And also hope they do not get discouraged by senseless verbal putdowners against them but take it as a challenge to prove the entire world wrong.
RE:RE:indian women
by noel on Jul 02, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
I appreciate it Mr. Parwez, I know women have to be there for this planet to survive and I dont want to belittle their contribution what I want to say is that why women dont understand their limits and agree to the fact that they are born emotional, they would happily go out with a guy who would after being with them come back to his friends and passionately describe them head to toe...I have seen these women and men too.....women cant bear the stress as effectively as men can....and yes apple is better suited than pumpkin and I can cook better than most Indian women...
Army is there for civillian & civillians r there coz of Army. Its a sensitive issue which requires are concern rather blaming on each other. We all knw who is suffering more The civilians or Forces. So i guess we shud show some respect 2 d forces they don't get paid as MUch US of A MNC do not dat MNC give u less stressful life but its still easy 2 live. If some1 has commited sucide there cud b 10 other reasons to it.SO many grls & guys r commiting sucide & families too soo Y not ppl accuse some 1 for dat. As far as competence & comparison of India Army well Must tell u it depends upon how much moneyis allocated 2 our forces v r not having enuf fundz to provide d best to our ppl not all have bulet proff jackets to start wid & even those who do wears the heaviest most jackets which r a burden of i ts own. If v all fite like t his wid in don't thinkv reachne where. So let the wrong ppl on both side speak wat they want in d End v all have 2 together JAI HIND..
RE:Stand Together rather than Abusing
by Bhupinder Singh on Jul 02, 2007 10:48 AM Permalink
m n c are all bunch of joker, when any country like india open their market they pay high salary in the term of dollar,, in usa australia, all people salary are same 19to21 difference,, whearas in india, rhey creare greed in management level to do them out of humanity,,greedly to push up thair sale and put 100%hold on market just to exploit it for ever,,,capitalism is system of inflation and manipulation,,in western world, all people livinng like a machine,, no sister, brother, morthe and father,, they are all machine and like exploitator,,they are going to do in india,,,well done india,, all iim ,iit are greed of hunger who are ready to work for them instead of chosing any solution to our people proplems,,
RE:Stand Together rather than Abusing
by Hariharan on Jul 02, 2007 10:36 AM Permalink
Mr Dhillon , Indian Army doen't need your sympathy. Don't compare soldiers with other professionals. It's still the very sacred place where quota has not been able to set its dirty foot. So I will have to tell you that inspite of lower salaries and physical hardships, Army people are very happy to be away from you civilians and politicians. Don't sympathise show empathy and give respect. Think about people who leave the Army and end up as securities guarding mills, factories and hotels. Practice what you preach. Todays only movies and media glorify the forces. But tell me sincerely have you ever helped an Army man during his miseries, while he is always there with you clearing Earthquake debris, evacuating flood victims, spraying anti mosquito liquids and saving ministers in Parliament and many others.
Just help one man out of his miseries, thats the biggest service you will do the Defence forces.
RE:Are women allowed to take a job in Army??
by on Jul 02, 2007 10:16 AM Permalink
Yes...women can take up roles including certain combat roles (like mechanised infantry). Further women officers are attached with infantry units in certain non combat roles like signals, doctors but spend time with the whole unit when in remote conditions of J&K or north east.
Other wings where women officers are present are supply (ASC), doctors (AMC) and pilots
RE:RE:Are women allowed to take a job in Army??
by Hariharan on Jul 02, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
Don't spread wrong info ... shut up if you don't know.
Women in the Army still donot fight wars which technically means Women are admissible only for Administrative and medical jobs in the Army and not in the fighting battalions.
On the other hand in the Indian Air Force, Women can join as fighter / Helicopter pilots and also have the power equivalent to male pilots.
This incident will again ignite the old debate and give ammunition to feminists to rail against men. The truth is that both men and women in the army are stressed out because of long postings in insurgency affected areas. Both men and women are committing suicides in equal number. But the moment a woman commits suicide, the while argument takes a different hue. I hope that people tackle as they are instead of indulging in gender politics.
army is place we have to do a work under stress and no security some times in war prison .there is a lot of male youth can do in defence .So we can give them all the offers in army to these male youth.Further ther will be no problem among the officers with these ladies .Ultimately They can do well without them. RIGHT ?
The senior officer's must change their attitude towards their junior officers. They must not be domineering but must be supportive. Only then will such incidents be averted in future.
ITs true women have acheived skies but still they are some domains like Army, Navy and Airforce where women still are considered as weaker sex. In Private sectors many women are ruling the roost and people dont mind being under them. But these Govt. sectors specially armed forces they are many who come from conservative areas where women still are nothing but mere sex symbols and child producing machine so for them being ruled under woman is something that hurts their ego. Either a high ranking woman official is ostracised by her juniors who simply dont want to co-operate with her or she is sexually and mentally abused by her immediate peers who simply treat her as an object of fun. For the past 5 years we have found that maximum high ranking female officers have commited suicide not males. Why?
RE:Gender Bias!
by Moumita Boral on Jul 02, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
Mr. Surendra u r from Punjab or Haryana, UP or Rajasthan. Becoz ur question speaks volume. With skewed up sex ratio, have buy girls from other states becoz they are no suitable brides for the guys, but still that doesn't stop anybody from these states in treating woman like a sex symbol or child producing machine and last but not the least cursing a girl child. Isn't it?
Its sad to come to a board and see Indians bashing the Indian Army. We have absolutely no clue what the circumstances are of her death. Just cause she was an Army Officer, its getting media attention and people feel that they have the right or information to make judgments. The Armed Forces is probably the only govt related org that is not corrupt. How many of you know officers/jawans in the armed forces? Its very easy to sit in front of a computer and criticize anything and everything. Do you even know what they go through esp the ones posted in field area? Please keep your crap to yourself and deal with your lives rather than commenting on the armed forces.
RE:Everyone and their mother has an opinion
by Harjeet singh on Jul 02, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
hahahah heheheh...jasleen ur naive statement dat armed forces r not corrupt only makes me laugh....m a retired defence officer n believe me they r more corrupt n useless than any other organisation.....jai hind
RE:Everyone and their mother has an opinion
by Sanjay Sen Choudhury on Jul 03, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
Well said Jasleen, One tight slap across the face of the guy who posted above you wanting to give his address.. some nerve..!!
This one should be thoroughly investigated.Harassment at workplace could be the reason.When a person is harassed to much by seniors and ictim feels nothing can be done about it,then only they resort to such extreme steps.It is very unfortunate incident.Still the working environment is not good to women.Goverment has to do something about.Both human rights commision and women commissio must look into it.Things are not still fine for women.
