I dont agree fully with Mr. Nauman, but at least he is civilised in his postings. Some of the reactions to his opinions are disgusting and barbaric to say the least.
Dear Mr Swamy this message board is for the article,"Indian-origin man heads Aussie Islamic body". Your comments against muslim , Islam or a lessar mortal like me is irrelevant here. Only a naive , immature , moron can start spread hatered against muslims or Islam in a message board meant for this article. If you want to debate then let there be a message board which is one way or the other related to Islam , terrorists , muslims etc etc. If you read carefully then this is the point that I have been trying to make, I don;t know what you eat that you have become so dumb for not understanding a simple thing like this.
Well... It's only we people of native indian religions like Hinduism, sikhism, Jainism, Bhuddism think that other religions are no harm. If you see what is happening around. Islam is spreading fast with in whaterver way it was possible: like ethnic cleasing like in Kashmir, bangladesh etc, marrying people of other religions and breading. Christian on the other by conversions. Unfortunately we have cruel politicians in india always dividing the majority hindus and appeasing muslim minorities for their block voting patterns. Politicians never react or press never care to report the attrocities/crimes committed against hindus in kashmir because India is "secular country". All Hindu brothers should fight the true enimies of Hinduism - Our Political leaders who divide Hindus. Note: Recently a in Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister, a Christian, prosposed a 5% reservation for Muslims in Educational institutions. He has declared funds from Tax payers money to build Churchers. Several Hindu temples are getting are in dilapidated conditions in the state.
I don't know if I was not ambigous in my post. I made it clear that the fact that a muslim from indian origin was selected over muslims from other countries speaks volumes about our country where we have freedom to learn Islam in its true essence. Those who think Indian muslims are lesser belong to Pakistan most of the time. The country which was formed for the so called cause of securing Islam and muslims has done nothing but to put muslims to shame.
Having said that I would urge my Indian brothers to stop muslim bashing when there is really no need to do that.
Some body here made a comment that Islam teaches hatered. My hindu friend what does sites like www.hinduunity.org teach? Love for people from other faiths?
How much love hindus have for backward classes and dalits?
I had been to Washington DC and there I was surprised to see monuments of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln and people praising them because they thought about black slaves 200 years back. Islam talked about ending slavery , equality and women getting their share in property etc etc 1400 years back.
If you only want to see -ve aspect then you will only see them and will never see ve aspects and hence your comments won't be credible because they are one sided.
I am a muslim and proud to a muslim and proud to be Indian as well. Incidents like Gujrat riots and Babri Masjid and other insulting remarks hurt my feelings but doesn't make me paint single hindu with same brush and hate all of them. I still appreciate the greatness of Indian people and don't start bashing them when it is totally uncalled for.
Sometimes I think India is still united because of muslims. There is so much differences among non muslims ( caste , language , states etc etc) if they get united then it is only to oppose muslims.
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by G S on Feb 27, 2007 03:35 AM Permalink
Nauman, appreciate your sentiments which are very good but please also exclude negativity like only something is happening because of muslims only or because of Hindu. It is projected that all Hindu practise caste system is not true. People have married intercaste and inter religion too, esp in India. And human society is getting better too. Every religion has some problem, muslim too have some ( multiple marriages etc. but all muslims are not following the same practice , isn't it) i will not list out. We all are proud Indians and any evils are there in society or religion we will positively take up. I live in washington, I am a devout Hindu but I have a brother (more than brother) and he is Mulim. We belong to same village in Bihar. (So i am proud of being from Bihar too.)It doesn't mean i will not accept what ails in Bihar or In india or in my religion, but I will be always positive. Patriotic Indian.
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by Nauman Ahmed on Feb 27, 2007 03:46 AM Permalink
I did not defend anything which is wrong with muslims in India or anywhere else. I only wanted to make a point that the origninal rediff article had nothing which should have invited muslim bashing in first place. The fact taht a muslim of Indian origin was selected to head some apex body in Australia has got nothing to do with terrorism or Islam. I did not understand why anything to do with muslims or Islam even if it is good invites muslim bashing and people start writing comments filled with hatered. And I am assumingthat only educated people browse thru internet and read these articles. ALl this hue and cry and muslim bashing did not deter lot of people in western world to embrace Isalm as I am writing this. I don't want to get into statistics about which religion is having more population in west. I had been to Germany and seen one ad for teaching Yoga and had taken its snap as I was happy that Indian culture is spreading all over. Meeting an Indian in foriegn land brings smile on my face even if he may not be a muslim. I think in todays day and age when everyone is so stressed out there is no point in spreading -ve emotions by writing posts filled with hatered. Correct me if I am wrong but I see muslim bashing taking place all the time in rediff messsage boards regardless of the content of article which is not good for anybody.
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by kotturesh swamy bh on Feb 27, 2007 04:13 AM Permalink
Again, you are acting like a kid deprived of candies. Your attention-seeking behavior makes me wonder about two things, either you are way too young to understand the nuances of religion or are so naive to be brainwashed by a madraasa educated(or is it brainwashed?) mullah or a imam. Time and again, it has been documented that you guys spread hatred and total intolerance among yourselves. You are fit to be in some remote corner of wajiristhan. Not in civilized society. I don't understand why you are jumping up and down and making a big deal by naming it islam bashing, when somebody who has things to ask which are totally accepted in mainstream societies as being illogical. But you are from the same breed who won't express (even faintly) when your brothers behead innocent folks all over the world. Don't be delusional. If you are so proud to be a muslim, go and experience the atrocities in SA as a third grade kafir. Don't get this moronic attitude here and act super-sensitive.
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by Nauman Ahmed on Feb 27, 2007 04:31 AM Permalink
Who is jumping up and down and acting like a kid is quite evident by the language used in posting. I don't have to prove my credentials, education or maturity to someone like you who has no decency left wonder which civilization you belong to... I don't see anything written against Indians or anything written to favour terrorist in my post but still you over reacting. Does the original arctile in Rediff has got anything to do with the venom that you are spitting against muslims? There must be some other article where you should write against muslims where it is relevant. Have some sense while posting to the blogs or websites.If muslims have done so wrong with you then better create your own blog and write against them and their religion if you feel like doing that.
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by kotturesh swamy bh on Feb 27, 2007 05:03 AM Permalink
Oh ho!'spitting venom'good improvement from somebody who commented of jargon!Feel satiated now?Now lets get to another widely accepted truth that insane-but-arrogant, ignorant,narrow minded folks like you indulge in- which is- attack the commenter and not the comment. Ha, age old trick of defaming the person and not the content of the comments. Grow up. I did not comment against your comments, it's you who started it and now you have the audacity to suggest me that i should open my own blog? How incredible! Talking about civilization.....we knew of non-violent, peaceful co-existence long before you learnt to cook the animals which you ate! You are what you eat, you eat animals and act like one. Without any reasoning, which is obvious by your illogical and moronic comments. Muslims have not wronged me, they have wronged our nation as a whole and still are perpetrating the same.Give me one example (if you can) of a place on earth, where you guys are peacefully existing along side others? You can't cause that is not what you guys are capable of. Always spewing hatred and total disregard for humanity unless he is a muslim). Bring 'em on mr once-a-week-bathing guy!
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by YuanKush on Feb 27, 2007 05:05 AM Permalink
Unless there is a distinction between Islam & terrorists, we should accept these Mr. Nauman Ahmed kidy.
Just a small clarifcation. Islam is not growing in United States. Please dont be under the impression that Islam is growing in US or western world. Hinduism beats all other religious minorities in US. 50 million people in US follow the Hindu principles of Yoga and meditation. They say sacred Hindu chants and some of them even follow vegetarianism. Thus Hinduism beats Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Bahai, Confusianism and Scientologists COMBINED.
Secondly, what hinduunity.org does is overstating facts which is inflammatory. But it is the only right wing Hindu website. Contrast this to the millions of radical Islamic websites on the internet. With all defects in Hinduism buddy, we still dont bomb Dalits or bomb their temples or wipe them out. We are reforming ourselves and we are open to criticism. On the other hand Muslims are killing each other in Pakistan and needles to talk about Hindus in Pakistan that are getting killed, raped and looted day by day.
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by Morris Modi on Feb 27, 2007 05:31 AM Permalink
the fact is west don't even recognise hindus :) except for making them work like dogs in IT industry. I bet you have never seen the real world kiddo.
Before blaming others, think about where else people follow hinduism ?? hindus hate their own religion and make a mockery of it when they come to the west. Eat cow and say sab chalta hai
Many self proclaimed mullahs from India/Pak have found new life long occupation abroad. The best part is they never have to worry about getting fired or retirement. They have either made a profession of collecting donations to acquire new property to create new masjids or they have enrolled in Islamic Councils demanding implementation of strict Shariah Laws to keep muslim women in check. All this is fine as long as they are QUALIFIED for the job. Some of these self appointed members have assumed the posts simply because they themselves have rebels in their own families, others have lived in the regions/area for a longer period of time so they are awarded the post on seniorirty basis or they are well known in the local muslim community hence the torch bearers. Unfortunately it is becoming a tradition to have close relatives, like minded people and friends of a well known Council memeber to enrol without any questioning thus rendering them power to do as they please. I hope this guy is an educated Imaam well versed in not only the holy verses but experienced in adapting to the region/country they call their new home.
Please do not make it another lesser Muslim or lesser Hindu or any derogatory messages. Yes terrorism has made our lives miserable, and also to some extent Pakistani mindset (esp. hate Indian mindset), has caused lot of us to become foul mouth on our Muslim brothers. India has to be proud of its citizen Hindu or Muslim or jains or Christians, as they do not support any terrorist mindset. (They all have come out on one occasion or another and condemn it). If not they will come out in large number against terrorism in future. I am a Hindu and I have always had Muslim family friends, which even my devout grandma never questioned, same on the friend%u2019s family (who are devout Muslims). Here in US we Indian mix well, Hindu, Muslim or Christians. These message boards I assume shows our emotions and hurt due to terrorism and loss of innocent ones. But if we are reasonable then we will see that Indians are not cause for this either Hindu or Muslims. This is an import of Pakistani mindset, which I can pin up on my Indian Muslim brothers and sisters, who are living in India and love our country in no lesser terms. Believe me it hurts them.
There are some masked names who try to divide us in these message boards and we need to be beware of them. They may have Muslim name or Hindu names (but I am sure they are Pakistani or from enemy country/mindset). They are jealous of our progress and failure of their country.
Let us not make our country like Pakistan which has wiped out minorities or which has destroyed it's social life to jihad mindset to bleed India (at it's own peril). They are now adding pre -Islamic period in their history and also recognizing that all of them are not Arab descent, 90% of them are definitely having Hindu ancestor (who used to occupy those areas in billions). They will also respect Hinduism. Similarly since lots of people are practicing Muslims, we also should respect Muslims.
Please note that giving respect to other%u2019s religion will help us earn respect for our religion (applicable to both Hindu & Muslims).
The 'Take a break' column posted by Nauman was honest. Let me tell Nauman that most of us (including me) have nothing against Islam or its followers. In fact one of my close friend is a Muslim. More than the Islam factor its the human feel factor. Most conflicts around the world revolve around islamic militias. Most terrorists we know follow Islam fumdamentals.
I am not at all hinting that everyone is so...but the fact is Islam always gets dragged into it mainly because the perperators follow Islam. As such we will always have people who will see this connection which is wrong. I sincerely hope that we will build the resistance and will to oversee the shortcomings of these people. Lets not forget Israel axexed Gaza Strip and West Bank and Golan Heights after the countries of Egypt, Jordan and Syria fought Israel in the war known as the '6 day war'.
My friend, We love good humans doesnt matter if its Islam or any other religion.
RE:Its a Paradox
by Morris Modi on Feb 27, 2007 05:42 AM Permalink
where was all this bashing before 911 ? lol u guys r such big lo*sers just picking on the people not in power
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by kotturesh swamy bh on Feb 27, 2007 06:04 AM Permalink
If you are calling someone loser and assume that he is making $2/hr, how much do u make? You are equating monetary accomplishments with intellectual capacity which is totally flawed and what else do you have to comment? "just picking on the people not in power"- what do you mean by this, you moron. You talk like a retard, scumbag. Say anything worthy, not some gibberish.
RE:Its a Paradox
by G S on Feb 27, 2007 02:38 AM Permalink
Agree and lets weed out bad people amongst us who wants to divide india. We should take pride in our human values and unity.
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by bharath Hindu on Feb 27, 2007 02:43 AM Permalink
As long as you morons ...follow your stupid book which preaches hatred towards other religions...peace can never exist between you people and other religions...so stop reading that and try to be a human being first instead of being a muslim.
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by G S on Feb 27, 2007 02:55 AM Permalink
Please... I am a devout Hindu and I want to see my country prosper. Let us not treat all our Muslim brothers with that mindset. There are good and bad in every society but in India we have managed it better. Let us cling to good and we will see that those who are wayward (in your view disgruntled Muslim brothers), they will also come back to good.
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by bharath Hindu on Feb 27, 2007 03:12 AM Permalink
yeah ..i agree..but why do you think it's only we Hindus think like this all the time?? why it's only we hindus have to respect all the other religions evn though they try to insult us and our religion? and why it's only we Hindus fight among our selves over other religions??? sorry if i have offended you by stating you as a MUSLIM.
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by Morris Modi on Feb 27, 2007 05:33 AM Permalink
Let us first fry brains of people with your mentality then india would be the best country. LOSERRRRRRRRRRRRR get a life. Do u make 2 bucks/hr for preaching hatred?
Unlike hinduism which belongs to India and was originated in India. Islam was originated from Arab and you will find muslims almost every part of the world. I am sure Australia too would be having muslims from all over the world but still a person from Indian origin became the president. Those who think that Indians are lesser Muslims should take a notice and the credit goes to India where one can get best possible Islamic education.
I don't understand why rediff message boards are always full of hatered for muslims and why people start muslim bashing even when the article has got nothing to do with terrorism etc.
No matter what is being written about Muslims and Islam the fact is it is the fastest growing religion in US. Now would you blame spread of Islam on some barbaric muslim ruler who is forcefully making people to embrace Islam? There was a news on TV 2 days back saying there is a surge for people learning Arabic in US and they are not finding enough teachers to fill the position.
I personally believe that no sane educated person who understands the reason behind middle east conflict and know history will be bashing muslims and making stupid comments every now and then.
Just a small clarifcation. Islam is not growing in United States. Please dont be under the impression that Islam is growing in US or western world. Hinduism beats all other religious minorities in US. 50 million people in US follow the Hindu principles of Yoga and meditation. They say sacred Hindu chants and some of them even follow vegetarianism. Thus Hinduism beats Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Bahai, Confusianism and Scientologists COMBINED.
RE:RE:Take a break
by SAM on Feb 27, 2007 03:44 AM Permalink
Are you saying all the people who are doing Yoga and meditation are Hindu? So all the people in the world who are doing Kung-fu/Karate are buddhist? Come on wake up!!!
RE:RE:RE:Take a break
by kotturesh bh on Feb 27, 2007 03:48 AM Permalink
Sam, this is called selective reading. What karthik implied was that Hindu philosophies and way of life is getting mainstream acceptance and being respected and recognized. Not literal meaning. How many non-muslims turn east and get on their knees?
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by karthik venki on Feb 27, 2007 07:46 AM Permalink
Sam, I am surprised at your peurile analogy. Kung-fu is not a Buddhist way of life as opposed to Yoga and meditation which are essentially Hindu way of life. Yoga starts with the chant of 'Om' invoking the lord (essentially a Hindu lord).So an overwhelming number of westerners are deeply influenced by Hinduism. Further, please do not ignore the ISKCON movement. It is a movement by the westerners, for the westerners, and by far the most active evangelical organization in North America. In a lighter vein, let me tell you that anybody who is a terrorist is not a Muslim by the same Karate analogy because terrorism is not an Islamic way of life. I would welcome a healthy intellectual debate and a mere rant is not welcome.
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by Morris Modi on Feb 27, 2007 06:01 AM Permalink
well all christians jews and muslims say god bless u so about 4 billion follow the same ideology ? what an immature comparison ? u shud compare like this how many people think idols r gods ?? any in US? even any hindus in US? hmm 50% leave alone the non-hindus. Stop insulting other religions kottu baba and we will all be good indians. Work hard towards progress of india and don't spread hatred.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Take a break
by kotturesh swamy bh on Feb 27, 2007 06:34 AM Permalink
i did not. you are. nobody said that one should accept idols are gods. "50% of hindus"- where did you get this stats modi? and do you have any idea why idol worship was started in the first place? you act like a religious savior, which one is yours, by the way? what is a mature comparison, Mr mature boy?
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Take a break
by karthik venki on Feb 27, 2007 07:49 AM Permalink
brother Modi, I have a friendly suggestion for you: You seem very disturbed. Please check out some Yoga schools in your neighborhood.
RE:Take a break
by kotturesh swamy bh on Feb 27, 2007 02:12 AM Permalink
you seem to suffer from amnesia, if not how would you forget being treated as a mohajir if you go to those places which you are claiming to be your illogical, barbaric and exclusionist nomadic-mindset-advocating faith. The reason why your faith is fastest growing is because you are still in medieval mindset of producing as senseless generation as yours without restraint. If it's fastest growing in US, so what? What is your point? And the reason why they are not able to find enough arabic speaking people is because all this time, it was useless in US and after 9/11 for intelligence capturing purposes, they are learning that language, not with admiration. No sane educated person understands the reason behind middle east conflict, because it's the problem with deep seated roots, and involved parties are full of hatred. Ask your shia brothers if your are a sunni or vice versa. You are not remotely qualified to speak about Hinduism. Get that clear, first.
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by Nadeem on Feb 27, 2007 02:41 AM Permalink
Swamiji, get your tone cleared out first. Nauman is trying to defend the stance on Islam not trying to offend hinduism. So, I don't see the reason for your seemingly passive aggression towards the religion. "The reason why your faith is fastest growing is because you are still in medieval mindset of producing as senseless generation as yours without restraint." - This sentence does not even make any logical sense. The reason why this religion is growing is because it frees people from the barriers of caste and inequalities, a principle on which this religion was formed in the first place. Please use your half baked ideas and jargon laden words where they apply. Let people defend their faith. Your contempt and negativity is equally detrimental to this country as fundamentalism itself
RE:RE:RE:Take a break
by kotturesh swamy bh on Feb 27, 2007 03:01 AM Permalink
Awesome, I was expecting this from one of you guys. If you feel my comments are jargon laden, let me use simpler terms, as it is only justifiably clear that your thoughts are all occupied with religious stuff (however irrelevant and illogical they are) and not with logical reasoning. I don't have anything against you, or your faith system (however flawed it is), it is against people who are not nationalistic. How many times have you cheered when our neighbor(though a rotten one) won cricket matches? You lost the count right? I know. We have seen enough of your kind, opportunistic mentality folks. How nice to say,"the reason why this religion is growing is because it frees people from the barriers of caste and inequalities, a principle on which this religion was formed in the first place" -pseudo intellectual! Is that why you propagate wearing abaya? is that why educating females is barred?Is that why wahabbi was exported out of SA? Is that why expressing one's opinion is an equivalent to fatwa? Is that why there is a humongous amount of distrust among shia-sunni?
RE:RE:RE:Take a break
by kotturesh swamy bh on Feb 27, 2007 03:00 AM Permalink
Awesome, I was expecting this from one of you guys. If you feel my comments are jargon laden, let me use simpler terms, as it is only justifiably clear that your thoughts are all occupied with religious stuff (however irrelevant and illogical they are) and not with logical reasoning. I don't have anything against you, or your faith system (however flawed it is), it is against people who are not nationalistic. How many times have you cheered when our neighbor(though a rotten one) won cricket matches? You lost the count right? I know. We have seen enough of your kind, opportunistic mentality folks. How nice to say,"the reason why this religion is growing is because it frees people from the barriers of caste and inequalities, a principle on which this religion was formed in the first place" -pseudo intellectual! Is that why you propagate wearing abaya? is that why educating females is barred?Is that why wahabbi was exported out of SA? Is that why expressing one's opinion is an equivalent to fatwa? Is that why there is a humongous amount of distrust among shia-sunni?
now australia is target of islamic terrorists.. it is difficult to believe what wrong they have done to India to deserve this. I hope the aussies dont start profiling indians because of one terrorist
RE:now australia is target??!!
by chethan karaj on Feb 26, 2007 06:10 PM Permalink
please dont think of terrorism whenever we got to comment on islam. its irrelevant and counter productive. no matter what, even if ur from the great country of india, u sure would get racially profiled most of the time, its the human nature. Theres' great deal of profiling going on in our country as well, based on caste. Stop complaining and blaming others.
RE:RE:RE:now australia is target??!!
by approximate boy on Feb 27, 2007 12:07 AM Permalink
No . Its because of people like you that our country's fate is like this.
RE:RE:RE:RE:now australia is target??!!
by bharath Hindu on Feb 27, 2007 02:46 AM Permalink
its because of we people ..you guys can still live in peace in India...if not the Islamic zealots would have looted, raped and converted your loved ones ..as happening in Malaysia, paksitan, bangladesh, Sudan, Indonesia..etc..wake up u fool...wake up to the reality and uncover your pseudo "secular" mask..
RE:RE:now australia is target??!!
by apjunkmail on Feb 27, 2007 12:29 AM Permalink
hope the send that guy to gitmo if he is found guilty of something...muslimes are bad news for any other religion plain and simple
RE:RE:RE:now australia is target??!!
by Asrar Alam on Feb 27, 2007 12:52 AM Permalink
you seem to be a jansanghi who are responsible for the division of india and creation of pakistan. and still dividing india.
RE:RE:RE:RE:now australia is target??!!
by bharath Hindu on Feb 27, 2007 02:50 AM Permalink
yes we are jansanghi who love our mother land more than anything else..unlike you muslims who shit in the same plate in which you eat..and mind you it's not the jansagh which is responsible for the division of India ..it's that stupid Jinnah along with the buffoons Gandhi and Nehru who are responsible for the division of our country...infact Jansagh still refers to the whole subcontinent as AKHAND BHARATH..you guys try to read other stuff apart from your stupid book..
RE:now australia is target??!!
by Morris Modi on Feb 27, 2007 06:03 AM Permalink
its a shame that you were born. Spread as much hatred as u want but only peace will win :)
I proud of my India. wherever indians will go they will make a histry. well done Patel sir. our best luck to u for ur future. to make us extra proud. thanx
RE:Proud to Indian.
by ashish on Feb 26, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
U proud of a man who has left India? He is not Indian any more he is Australian and do not forget he or the other people who have made it big abroad have left India for better opportunities.
