I strongly believe in only what Honourable Ministers Arjun Singh and Abdul Rehman Antulay say.
After the Malegaon bomb blast in a mosque, these two Honourable Gentlemen ministers bravely told that the bomb blast was the work of Hindu Extremists. Investigation by the police showed that this was the handiwork of an organisation belonging to a minority community and had nothing to do with the dreadful Saffron goons.
But for me.... I believe only what the honourable Ministers told and will stick onto that only.
I'm eagerly waiting for the revelations which these two Honourable Gentlemaen Ministers will have.
Sri B.Raman might come with solid evidences .The investigating authorities might come with ample proof to show who the culprits are .
But for me....I only believe in the revelations of the two Honourable Gentlemen Ministers.
Oh Arjun...oh Antulay...Oh journailsts and columnists who have the same wavelength of thinking as these two Honourable Ministers....please come out with your revelations.
We want to have a hearty laugh at this time of sorrow !
RE:Oh Arjun..Oh Antulay where fore art thou
by Shantih on Feb 23, 2007 10:50 AM Permalink
well said. unfortunate that we have such third rate people as leaders.
Modes of transport such as buses, airlines have emergency exits. Ships/yachts have safety rafts. WHY DOESN'T RAILWAY COMPARTMENT HAVE EMERGENCY EXITS? Surely there can be two emergency exits in each compartment.
Every window has a metal grill and this makes the compartment a tomb when there is fire near both entrances to the compartment. People between the entrances are TRAPPED.
Lets fight for this simple facility while we hunt down the cuplrits and hang them.
RE:Railway compartments
by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Feb 22, 2007 01:12 PM Permalink
You are absolutely right. Trains abroad have large glass windows which can be removed entirely during an emergency. Indian railways not only puts bars, but also puts wire-mesh grills on top of the bars (possibly to protect from stone throwing... everybody loves destroying state property to protest, even when it has nothing to do with the state). Safely and indian railways are antonyms. The number of train accidents itself gives you an idea... our coaches havent evolved in design since the british left India...
RE:RE:Railway compartments
by desijohn on Feb 23, 2007 06:55 AM Permalink
Thank you for the response.
You are right about the prevailing tencency to destroy state property such as buses and trains. The Indian Government must create and enforce stringent laws. It should hold a quick and fair trail and punish by death the culprits. This precedent will deter most elements from destroying property.
In addition Indian Railway should definitely consider safety measures such as emergency exits, fire extinguishers etc.
22 Muslims and 27 Hindus!!. Is that what boils down to? Is it to mean that each life has a different value based on religion? Rediff should do better analysis of articles before posting them online.
RE:Shameful article
by Dastagir shaikh on Feb 22, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
You are right Kunal... this type of article is dividing people from each other. so please stop this type of article. just put Indians or Pakistani. no hindu no muslim. thanx
RE:RE:Shameful article
by Ashok Patil on Feb 27, 2007 11:32 AM Permalink
While all the victims are pakistani citizens, the auther mr Bramn is only reacting to the marianna Baabar, a well known journalist giving the split up as muslims as pakistanis and hindus as indians and pakistani governments insensitivity to its hindu citizens. Also i fully agree to your centiments that human life is precious and i am sure Mr B Raman will agree too.
RE:Shameful article
by Victor Martins on Feb 22, 2007 11:55 PM Permalink
Yes, each life has a different value based on religion and gender.....in some countries in Middle-East....FYI Check on WIKIPEDIA - Blood money....
And also according to our sickular Govt. Check the compensation money declared for terrorists attacks in which Hindus were killed and in those where muslims were killed....
RE:RE:Shameful article
by Syed Ahmed on Feb 23, 2007 04:03 AM Permalink
Really!!! I dont know where to check for but can you let us know the facts of the compensation money being paid to each community if you can write so confidently about it.
RE:Shameful article
by vijay on Feb 22, 2007 06:14 PM Permalink
Really? In a train that is traveling to a Muslim country how come the majority who are dead can be Hindus? Statistically how possible it is? See the logic not the words.
Rediff shuld not encourage such articles. pak journals will publish a lot and lot against india and that is the order of their days. why giving importance to those.
what to do guys. The fate is that we are divided based on religion, language, state, culture, foodhabits,north/south etc. so we are prone to more discussions/more clicks among us supporting our respecting places.It can happen only in india. so rediff is also enjoying this.. (ex:articles based on AB,srk,Rajni,Mamooty, Hindus,muslims etc)
This is not new to us.way back in 19th century our rulers were not united.so british people ruled us.
RE:Its our fault..
by Shenidh on Feb 22, 2007 01:47 AM Permalink
Mr.KK, B.Raman is hate mongoer. All he wants to do is created hatred among Indians. refer these link from pak media
http://www.dawn.com/2007/02/21/top4.htm one more article http://www.dawn.com/2007/02/21/top5.htm
No where it mentioned that so many hindus and so many muslims killed. It just says so many pakis killed and so many indians killed. I donno what is the intention of rediff. They want create hatred and confusion among diff communities by encouraging hate mongoers like B.Raman
RE:RE:Its our fault..
by on Feb 22, 2007 06:40 AM Permalink
Mr Islamo-Fascist, Could you please enlighten as to how B.Raman is creating hatred among Indians? According to the article, it looks to me, he is in fact being sympathetic towards Indian muslims & mohajirs and is suspecting a Pakistan based terrorist organisation behind the attacks. How is that creating hatred among Indians? Are you implying that criticizing Pakistani terrorist organizations will pit Indian muslims against Hindus, because the loyalty of Indian muslims is with Pakistan? The fact is any act of blaming a muslim, even if it is a guilty terrorist one, is perceived as an assault on the whole muslim civilization for extremist muslims like you. Isn't that what the Mullah in your mosque preaches everyday? You people should be ashamed of calling yourselves as Indians.
RE:RE:RE:Its our fault..
by Shenidh on Feb 22, 2007 09:20 PM Permalink
Mr.Hindu Neo-Nazi Extremist a.k.a RSS Rogue, Try to be respectful to others. I was respectful to u, and I expect same from u. If u can use the bad word,even i can too, but i do not want to go as low as u, Mr.RSS rogue. What else I can expect from Hindu extremist RSS rogue like u who are Ghandi killers and Hitler appreciators. You guys find a small reason to blame muslim community and label them as pak agents. Shame on u guys who are dividing the country for own benefits. You guys should be ashamed of yourself for calling yourself Indians who do not even have basic India culture of respecting others. This shows you RSS, VHP, Bajrangi rogues, how impatient u r. U do not have patience to listen to other point view and label others with whatever names u get. If u believe that Mullah in muslim mosque teach extremist views, then why don't disguise as a muslim visit mosque and check yourself and provide me the proof. I'm not saying it's not happening. It might be happening just like how your RSS shakas and temples preach u to hate muslims and spread lies and rumours about muslims.
Now coming back to B.Ramans artile, what i was trying to say here, most of the Raman's article are his own imaginary views which have created hatred among diff communities (Proof for this is that you can see the reader's comments in all his articles). he wants divert attention from home grown terrorism to international terrorist which encourage home grown terrist hide in the name of muslim terrorist.
IN this forum, One more RSS rogue like u provided me a pak media link justifying what Raman's has wrote in the column
As per this link, I can just see only one sentence which talks abt hindus & muslims fatalities as follows
"His statement, however, differed with that Khusro Bakhtiar made a few minutes later. The minister of state said of the deceased persons, 49 bodies have been identified. Twenty-seven are Hindus and twenty-two Muslims. %u201CWe have allowed India to open a temporary visa office near Wagah,%u201D he said, adding that the Punjab government has provided buses to take the people to Atari from where they would travel as per arrangements made by India.
He said some charred bodies were beyond recognition. Their identity would be established through DNA test which would take time. India, he said, has detained one suspect. Rashid said a team of doctors, a C-130 aircraft and a train were ready to depart for India to help injured persons and bring back dead bodies. %u201CBut we are not getting a green signal from India.%u201D He added that he was informed on Tuesday morning by the Pakistan high commissioner to India that Haris Malik, 11, of Karachi, injured in the rail blasts, also expired in a Delhi hospital."
If u look at the context of the sentence it just says how many hindus & muslims died and making travel arrangements for the kin of died so that they can visit india and also it will helpful to perform last rites of the dead bodies based on respective religious rights. Raman has elongated small sentence to a big article including mohajirs, hindus, pakis, indian, twisting the facts. This is the easiest way to create hatred among the people.
Looks like u r a great fan of Mr.Raman just like other RSS rogue Bharath Hindu. May be u r also a hate mongoer like raman. I've read his articles most of them are filled with hatred feelings. So my suggestion to u is(whether u want take it or not) blindly don't trust these columnist. They have their own agendas. If u r a hate mongoer like him, then i can't help it. Follow his footsteps. gud luck
RE:RE:RE:RE:Its our fault..
by Free Radical on Feb 23, 2007 06:38 AM Permalink
Mr. Islamo-Fascist, You continue to blabber the same sh1t over and over again, without answering my simple question. How is the article creating hatred among Indians? If you can comprehend english, you shouldn't have trouble understanding that he never pointed fingers at any particular Indian community. He is only suspecting LEJ, a pakistani terrorist organization. Why does that bother you? Are you a member of LEJ?
Obviously, nobody knows the truth yet, and the author's views are just his opinions. But then, he is just a national security expert, not God.
RE:RE:RE:Its our fault..
by vinita gandhi on Feb 22, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
Really? In a train that is traveling to a Muslim country how come the majority who are dead can be Hindus? Statistically how possible it is? See the logic not the words.
RE:Mohajirs...
by Shenidh on Feb 22, 2007 01:26 AM Permalink
Mr.bharath Hindu, don't get excited too much. This article is not mouth piece of pakistan. Raman is saying from his own words. Has he mentioned any pakistani media which has to which pak authorities have release this info. It's opinion of B.Raman in his own words. Verify in Pak media before coming to any conclusion and unnecessary discussion.
RE:RE:RE:Mohajirs...
by Shenidh on Feb 22, 2007 03:18 AM Permalink
Mr.Hindu,
I was respectful to you. So better u be respectful to me. you don't even know the basic culture of respecting other & u say 'Jai Hind' at the end. First, try to follow the indian culture then be proud of being an indian. Shame one u. I'm not supporting pak, all i want is truth. Whatever link u specified, in that I can just see only one sentence which talks abt hindus & muslims as follows "His statement, however, differed with that Khusro Bakhtiar made a few minutes later. The minister of state said of the deceased persons, 49 bodies have been identified. Twenty-seven are Hindus and twenty-two Muslims.
%u201CWe have allowed India to open a temporary visa office near Wagah,%u201D he said, adding that the Punjab government has provided buses to take the people to Atari from where they would travel as per arrangements made by India."
If look at the context of the sentence it just says how many hindus & muslims died and making travel arrangements for the kin of died so that they can visit india. Raman has elongated small sentence to a big article including mohajirs, hindus, pakis, indian, twisting the facts. This is the easiest way to create hatred among the people.
Looks like u r a great fan of Mr.Raman. May be u r also a hate mongoer like him. I've read his articles most of them are filled with hatred feelings. So my suggestion to u is(whether u want take it or not) blindly don't trust these columnist. They have their own agendas. If u r a hate mongoer like him, then i can't help it. Follow his footsteps. gud luck
RE:RE:RE:RE:Mohajirs...
by on Feb 22, 2007 04:36 PM Permalink
I agree. Please do not say Jai Hind when you yourself seem to have a dubious culture. Hindustan has a great culture and values. If you dont imbibe those values dont just pay lip service with your Jai Hind. Dont try to colour you vile tongue with a saffron hue, it insults true Hindus like us. A life gone, is a life gone. religion has nothing to do with it. To be a Hindu, its very important to be a human first. If thats something too much to ask of yourself dont call yourself a Hindu. Being Hindu is not everyones cup of tea. Its not bandanna of some brand like Nike and Rebook that you buy and wear on your forehead. First teach yourself some human values, practice them and then claim to be a Hindu. If you want to get a high by inciting communal tension go join your misguided brethren , there are numerous such in our country. Dont use this media for your repulsive ideology. This place is not for you.
RE:fate of Hindus...
by Shenidh on Feb 22, 2007 01:44 AM Permalink
Mr.Bharath, B.Raman is hate mongoer. All he wants to do is created hatred among Indians. refer these link from pak media
http://www.dawn.com/2007/02/21/top4.htm one more article http://www.dawn.com/2007/02/21/top5.htm
No where it mentioned that so many hindus and so many muslims killed. It just says so many pakis killed and so many indians killed. I donno what is the intention of rediff. They want create hatred and confusion among diff communities by encouraging hate mongoers like B.Raman
RE:RE:RE:fate of Hindus...
by Shenidh on Feb 22, 2007 03:27 AM Permalink
Mr.Hindu,
I was respectful to you. So better u be respectful to me. you don't even know the basic culture of respecting other & u say 'Jai Hind' at the end. First, try to follow the indian culture then be proud of being an indian. Shame one u. I'm not supporting pak, all i want is truth. Whatever link u specified, in that I can just see only one sentence which talks abt hindus & muslims as follows "His statement, however, differed with that Khusro Bakhtiar made a few minutes later. The minister of state said of the deceased persons, 49 bodies have been identified. Twenty-seven are Hindus and twenty-two Muslims.
%u201CWe have allowed India to open a temporary visa office near Wagah,%u201D he said, adding that the Punjab government has provided buses to take the people to Atari from where they would travel as per arrangements made by India."
If look at the context of the sentence it just says how many hindus & muslims died and making travel arrangements for the kin of died so that they can visit india. Raman has elongated small sentence to a big article including mohajirs, hindus, pakis, indian, twisting the facts. This is the easiest way to create hatred among the people.
Looks like u r a great fan of Mr.Raman. May be u r also a hate mongoer like him. I've read his articles most of them are filled with hatred feelings. So my suggestion to u is(whether u want take it or not) blindly don't trust these columnist. They have their own agendas. If u r a hate mongoer like him, then i can't help it. Follow his footsteps. gud luck
Don;t throw every thing in Hindu-Muslim context. For God's Sake the number seems to be even...There is not a difference of 100 and 1000.... C'mon people have died...lets pray for the departed souls rather than creating another rift!!
RE:Dont Exaggerate
by aditya kumar on Feb 21, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
Is that the ratio that'll alert you? Agree with you that every death should be accountable, hindu or muslim. But, we definitely have to clear our internal differences before another foriegn force destroys our peace.
RE:Dont Exaggerate
by bharath Hindu on Feb 21, 2007 11:49 PM Permalink
Hey what this fuss about people?? if Akhand Bharath can be divided on the basis of religion then this should be expected from the pakis to separate the dead on the basis of religion. Infact lot of Paksitanis would have been elated by knowing the fact that the majority of the deceased were Hindus even though they belong to their own country. thats the underlying message these Paki politicians were trying to convey to their people. How contrast with our "secular" politicians who would also do the same proudly to get the sympathy of the minorities...in the end it's we Hindus who are the real losers even though they belong to pakistan..we are not respected any where even alive or dead.. How sad!! We want thousand more Modis and Sardar Patels to put a break to all this%u2026
From your article, it looks like the Railways gave out the information about hindus and muslims traveling in each compartment to the terrorist so that they could plant the bomb in the compartment where hindus were more than the muslims. Question the Indian Railway Authorities
RE:Rediff...Is the Indian Railways involved
by aditya kumar on Feb 21, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
I wouldn't be surprised if there was breach of information. & i believe an article similar to this was covered couple of days ago.
A breach doesn't mean that Indian Railways purposely let it happen. They sure might have been slack. Look at human history & there has been a breach even in the most secure organizations in the world. Its all about the will to make it happen.
We sure need to get together & make a stronger will to not let it happen again.
