I congratulate Mr Gautier on a great article, which looks at reality in the face and depicts it as it is. Since independence, India has been ruled by a certain class of politicians who propogate denial amongst India's citizens, when it comes to atrocities committed on Hindus & other indigenous religions of the country. Godhra was an accident but Gujrat was a carnage, 1984 anti Sikh riots were justified, 1993 Mumbai blasts were justified, Bombings in Hindu temples are justified, etc. Same goes for History - Mass murderers like Aurangzeb and other rulers of his ilk are deified, while Guru Tegh Bahadur is termed a terrorist in Indian hostory books. This article speaks of reality as it is and that has been Mr Gautier's consistent style of writing. Please accept my congratulations again on a refreshingly true article.
RE:pls read this
by Cyber hinwa on Feb 16, 2007 05:05 PM Permalink
You are right myr Afique Kazi .
Hindus have even now no hatred for you but only one desire not to be taken for granted and you should appreaciate the freedom in India is much more than any other MUSLIM nation you may have read or seen .
Live and Let live ... OR ELSE DO NOT FORGET GODHRA ....
RE:pls read this
by on Feb 16, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
1)Who killed Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur and Why? 2)Who Bombed Grand mask of Karbala in Iraq, killing scores of people? 3)Why bombings are carried out in areas were majority community were Shias in Bagdad 4)Why killings after Friday prayers in Karachi? 5)Why War between two muslim countries Iran and Iraq? 6)Why Shariat in JK after so many years? 7)Why did Pandits run away from JK? 8)Why rape in Darfur rawanda?
All points to one thing, Even though Prophet never appointed any custodian of Islam except Quran, Why these killing take place. That too between same pleople who perform Hajj together?
We can try set our own house in order. Muslims are sterotyped my media and clerics. We can not ask questions?? Even if they help us to introspect and correct. If muslims do that, then you are anti Islam. Are we trying to say that Aurangzeb's does not exists? Are they true Muslims? Like any other religons so called followers can make mistakes... If mistake is done, we need to accept , reconcile and move forward. This is shown many times by Prophet him self.
RE:lets us live in peace
by on Feb 16, 2007 05:24 PM Permalink
1)Who killed Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur and Why? 2)Who Bombed Grand mask of Karbala in Iraq, killing scores of people? 3)Why bombings are carried out in areas were majority community were Shias in Bagdad 4)Why killings after Friday prayers in Karachi? 5)Why War between two muslim countries Iran and Iraq? 6)Why Shariat in JK after so many years? 7)Why did Pandits run away from JK? 8)Why rape in Darfur rawanda?
All points to one thing, Even though Prophet never appointed any custodian of Islam except Quran, Why these killing take place. That too between same pleople who perform Hajj together?
We can try set our own house in order. Muslims are sterotyped my media and clerics. We can not ask questions?? Even if they help us to introspect and correct. If muslims do that, then you are anti Islam. Are we trying to say that Aurangzeb's does not exists? Are they true Muslims? Like any other religons so called followers can make mistakes... If mistake is done, we need to accept , reconcile and move forward. This is shown many times by Prophet him self.
RE:lets us live in peace
by Suresh GO on Feb 16, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
Because he's a French Christian and would like Indian Hindus n Muslims to fight! Heheh. I'm just kidding okay? Lets have fun reading all the comments n fights n then go home n watch some movie. Thats it. No fights.
RE:lets us live in peace
by vinod Nadar on Feb 16, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
We need such historians to teach Indians who either take shelter under ignorance or refuse to acknowledge our past. Please read this article in context of an India Emperor, not just of a muslim king. Remember, the blood of his Muslim brothers & relatives stained his hands too. Its the character of Aurangazeb, under those prevailing circumstances and psychology. And above all it is Historians like Francois Gautier who are trying to link the present generation with the already forgotten people of ancient india. I congratulate Mr. Francois Gautier for helping we indians to know more about this land.
RE:lets us live in peace
by amit garg on Feb 16, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
where does come question of hindu muslim .....that is a fact and written in histories.why muslims cant tolerate facts about a evil muslim king.
It's always the misinterpretation of any preachings that is dangerous to the world rather than following someone's preachings. The word 'Jehad' was supposed to mean the fighting of evil thoughts in the mind rather than the meaning that we attribute to it today. Whatever was the kind of person Aurangzeb was, what we do not need is violence based on religion. I must say the political scene in the world has contributed in the same measure as a fanatic hardliner holding an important religious status preaching to kill the non-believers. I don't know what it takes to restore sanity and harmony!
RE:It's always misinterpretation that is dangerous
by Cyber hinwa on Feb 16, 2007 05:07 PM Permalink
YOU live in a communist / congress created fools paradise and do now know what a jihad is ... go to the following website and then download the book as per the link and read it and then tell the world your observation .
RE:It's always misinterpretation that is dangerous
by Jarnail singh on Feb 16, 2007 05:41 PM Permalink
prashanth you are absolutely right. jehaad must be fought against the eveil thoughts of mind. this is how we can get close to god. in sikhism their is on shabad "dhan jiyo teh ko jag mein mukh te har chit mein judh bichare" it means by chanting the name of god."mukh te har" chit mein judh bichare fought with evil thoughts. guru nanak says "mulla so jo man sayon lare" the true mulla is who fought with his man. god knows when they will understand this simple thing.
'Aurangzeb's supposed intolerance is little more than a hostile legend based on isolated acts such as the erection of a mosque on a temple site in Benares.' This is only one part of the whole story.
Romila Thapar, Irfan Habib and all these Left Intellectuals have done just one thing in their entire lifetime. That is 'Whitewashing the excesses of Islamic Rulers, Be it Aurangzeb or Tipu Sulthan".
When I visited Delhi a few years ago, I was stunned by the debris there. The whole place is littered by demolished temples. The Qutub Minar is surrounded by a demolished temple. None of our Text Books mention about the existance of any Temple there.
This country has been the most liberal because of one Mr. M. K. Gandhi and another Mr. J. Nehru. These two along with the Left Historians have successfully buried all the evil done by the Islamic Rulers.
At the same time, none of our Historians fail to tomtom about the cruel and inhuman treatment oppressed on the Lower Caste People by the Upper Caste People.
This is not an attempt to Whitewash Casteism and related ills. But these 'Great Thinkers' like Romila Thapar never bother about truth. Only vocation for them is 'Hate and Degrade Anything that is Hindu'
This is the unfortunate truth. But more unfortunate is the fact that absolutely fraud people like Ms. Thapar are decorated as intellectuals and people who speak the truth about Islamic Bigotry are branded 'Fundamentalist Hindu Extremists'
Just look at the number of people out there to praise 'Parzania' and to admonish Modi and Hindutwa people. And then wait and look for these people to get up and protest when Hindus in any part of this country are harmed.
The silence is deafening. Not once in this country, any Congress or Left Leader or Historian has come out admonishing the Muslims for their excesses.
And anyone protesting is immediatelt branded "Communal Lunatic Fringe'. When will we learn from our History and Historical Blunders?
Well, not as long as the 'Left Liberals' and the 'Congresswaalas' are there. That means "NEVER".
So Mr. Gautier, do what you want to. Hold any number of exibitions. Write any number of articles. Nothing will change. Because, "We are Indians and we are like this only"
RE:Let's get the facts right
by Anis Khan on Feb 16, 2007 05:37 PM Permalink
TELL ONE SINGLE MAN WHO WAS GREAT, few say them great and few who didn't like them abuse them. EVEN the GREAT LEGEND OF INDIA "MAHATMA GANDHI" being abused.
RE:Let's get the facts right
by Anis Khan on Feb 16, 2007 05:39 PM Permalink
YOU ARE SAYING AS IF WIKIPEDIA being sent from the HEAVAN. WHY to accept manipulated facts. YOU ACCEPT IT why we? DOES this site being authenticated by Government of India? does the documents published there being endorsed and certified by concerned authorities of Government of India. I want to ask "wikipedia.org" Are YOU PEOPLE INTERESTED IN FIRING ONE MORE COMMUNAL rights. do you people are only interested in dividing INDIANS. AND HAVE YOU PEOPLE APPOINTED Mr. Francois Gautier as YOUR AMBASSADOR FOR COMMUNAL RIGHTS.
it is wrong to say that only aurangzeb was cruel. even his forefathers were no angels. Akbar , Jahangir and Shahjahan were equally cruel but the opposite has been taught in history books. Aurangzeb is remembered for his atrcocities because he was the last powerful mughal emperor. if Akbar , jahangir and Shahjahan were tolerant , then were people like Rana Pratap or sikh Gurus like Argan Dev and Teghbahadur mad to oppose them ? also never has any muslim ruler built any mosque or garden or fort. if so there is no existing islamic book like Vastu Shastra just as hindus have. Existing structures were conquered and used by these barbarians and in history it has been noted as follows: "Shahjahan built tajmahal" or "Akbar built fatehpur sikri". it has now been proved that TajMahal was a Hindu temple and existed when Babur arrived in India. ( Babur was an ancestor of Shahjahan ). if Shahjahan could construct a huge building like Taj after his wife's death, then why did he not make any bigger buildings for her when she was alive. i dont know why our governments are so shy in accepting the fact that the 1000 year muslim rule in India was worse than the Nazi occupation of Poland or Russia.
RE:aurangzeb the madman
by jayant somvanshi on Feb 16, 2007 07:13 PM Permalink
facts told by u may be contravertial but i do agree on one last line u wrote and i would like to praise that sentence-(i dont know why our governments are so shy in accepting the fact that the 1000 year muslim rule in India was worse than the Nazi occupation of Poland or Russia.)--very well said .
RE:aurangzeb the madman
by Suresh GO on Feb 16, 2007 04:29 PM Permalink
I don't think it was the Muslim rule that had any problem. Some of the Muslim rulers were indeed great administrators. Remember Shersha Suri (sorry if I got the spelling wrong)? And was the English rule heavenly? It was the invasion that was bad. Anyone coming from outside is an invader. And no invader has ever treated the country he invades in any good way. Its applicable for every small kingdom that existed in this great subcontinent.
RE:RE:aurangzeb the madman
by Samir Ankalikar on Feb 16, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
dear friend, the highways that were thought to be built by shersha suri was made by hindu kings 200 years before his arrival. if Shershah repaired them that doesnt mean he built them
also the britishers at least brought railways , telegraph with them to India. what did these muslim kings did ?
RE:aurangzeb the madman
by NIRANJAN L on Feb 16, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
Dear Samir you can accept dark facts when you are mature enough to understand why & how they happened. Majority of Indians are still over sensitive to these issues & will flame up on recalling these incidents. Its gonna take a real long time for us to mature, think about shaping the future & then recalling & undestanding the past. Most nations that have accepted the past are the ones with one major religion. Its no joke to convince a billion people following numerous faiths about a dark past. Its best to keep the past there & move ahead. All religions have resorted to some tactic for propogation. If anyone brought out the facts about the spread of Christianity, Aurangzeb would sound like a kindergarten kid. The fact is that we are constantly facing a world that has more practical problems than spiritual ones. Every nation knows it can't survive by itself. Boundaries are opening up like never before. Communication couldn't have been better. All this is allowing human to human contacts. When you look deep inside yourself & others, you see no difference. Its something written down centuries ago, that had relevance then, that is still dictating the ways of life. Religion is required to discipline humans but law is not much different. There are plenty of Aurangzebs & Hitlers practising even today. Its just a matter of how we fight them to oblivion that decides what the world is going to look like in the near & far future. Lets wake up to accept human kind as one & sort problems that will let us all live equally & happily in the short time we are gonna be in this planet
Thanks! for standing up like a man and coming out with truth and only truth every time. I have been reading your articles which explicitly speak truth.
Nehru had been a opportunist, an apostle of secularity and an blind idealist who has wrecked this country with utopian concepts and theories till this day.
Secularism is a coin perfectly designed to all this mild and timid majority Hindus. Who are divided on every sphere in the name of Caste, creed, region, language, even to the extent of gods to be worshipped. Imagine Hindus are the only one who speak about Sanathana Dharma just out fear, I presume.
Thank you for opening some of our eyes from time to time by your truthful article.
Lastly dont be surprised if Shariat is passed in the rest of the country and Muslim majority states & regions declared as Islamic. After all we are all secular.
RE:irrelevant in today's context
by Siba Mishra on Feb 16, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
It is not about developing HATRED but learning from the past. History is always the best teacher. It provides us experience to face the future.
