Tribunal has given enough water for farmers to jump in. probably this is time for us kannadigas to show some maturity and call Rajendra Babu of Rajasthan to plan water management. behaviour of TN politicians is very bad and behaviour of tamils is childish.
This message for those who talks against karnataka and kannadigas. In karnataka, we kannadigas are living peacefully with other states. Nobody can question on that. You seeother districts of karnataka where so many people from other states living peacefully with locals(majority are them from tamilnadu, kerala, andhrapradesh, maharashtra, gujarat, rajasthan etc). More number of other state movies are running in karnataka only. You people don't think that only that language people are watching their language movies. We karnataka people also seeing and encouraging other state movies. You won't find like this in any other state. This shows our karnataka people's broadmindness. There is no need to argue on this. We kannada people respect all other languages. But if somebody wants to degrade karnataka or kannada, then we won't sit quiet. These are all just to protect ourselves and our language. So please don't abuse the locals.
RE:To all other state people who are talking against kannadigas!
by muthu raman on Feb 09, 2007 11:02 AM Permalink
Dear Varma,
I appriciate that people fr Karnataka have good rapport with other people.This is what we require! But at the same time whatsoever the reason the other states people should not be targetted! I am sorry...i am saying this from the past instances.Any way let us solve this problem amicably considering the facts how other people in this world solve Also let us see that is there any international law is available to solve this kind of problems!
First you try to solve your state problems. More number of problems/issues are happening in north india belt only. So you people have got your own problems. You are trying to comment on this issue. Before telling anything, do some homework. Why you are comparing movies and cauvery issue. In movie so many artists, technicians etc. will be working together. It is not made by one person.Juhi chawla, anil kapoor etc. their's movies from kannada only. Juhi chawla's first movie premaloka and Anil kapoor's "pallavi anupallavi". After these movies only they went to bollywood. Why you are targeting upendra. Each actor will be having his own mannerism. Till now karnataka has got name as a peaceful state. See the fate of karnataka people. It is needed for them to protect their own language in their own state. Poor kannada people. YOu may not be knowing that, during ramayana and mahabharatha episodes, they were showing tamil translated versions of ramayana and mahabharata. Then tell me what about non-tamil people. You first go to tamil nadu and see how those people are protecting their language. Here you can see english boards on shops. but there, only few shops will be having english boards. Don't send messages of bad taste. That will really provokes kannadigas.
RE:How To Find This
by commanman on Feb 09, 2007 11:02 AM Permalink
I never call myself as "Comman Man". I call myself as "commanman" which has different abbrevation and meaning, which is personal.
This is how you people deciding all the things without analyzing the fact and truth.
RE:RE:RE:RE:How To Find This
by on Feb 10, 2007 03:53 AM Permalink
The tamil language is beautiful with rich history. Its the oldest language with Sanskrit in India. It has provided roots to many other languages. Even the literature is great from Thirukurral to Silapadikaram. These stories are truly indian stories that should be appreciated from north to south, east to west. Its ignorance that makes hatred towards the tamil language. its not only ignorance, its also jealousy
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:How To Find This
by jayapala arenur on Feb 12, 2007 07:55 PM Permalink
That is the basic problem with you guys.Since you feel Tamil is great and you don't even respect Hindi which is our national language and how many of you huys can speak Hindi and I have come across with the situation in many parts of the world where Tamilians tries to talk with others only in Tamil even the opposite person is Non-Tamilian. I am sure you can never respect any other language other than TAMIL...You will be surprised to know that Kannadiga's in India knows & speaks the maximum languages.Think broad and love your mother tongue but also try & learn respect others too...
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:How To Find This
by tk on Feb 13, 2007 12:32 PM Permalink
1. Indias Highest Civilian Award Bharat Ratna Recipients: Tamils are the highest around 35 than anyother state. 2. Very First 2 Recipients of Bharat Ratna are Tamils C.Rajagopalachari and Dr. Sir. C.V. Raman. 3. Green Revolution: This initiated and executed by 2 Tamils C.Chidambaram(Former Agri Minister), Dr. M.S.Swamynathan (Agri Scientists) 4. Nuclear Research: 1998 Nuclear test is initiated and executed by 2 great tamil scientists Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam(DRDO) and P.Chidambaram(DAE) 5. Presidents: Till now 3 presidents are from TN 6. President of Sigapore is a Tamil: SR Nathan. 7. Tamil is national language of Srilanka, Singapore and Malyasia 8. France & Canada are considering to make Tamil as their one of their official languages. 9. In Internet: Largets number of webpages available in Tamil only next to English. 10. BBC: BBC broadcast news in 40 languages,in which there are only 3 indian languages those are Tamil, Bengali and Hindi. 11.China's offcial govt radio broadcasts Tamil programs 2 hrs daily. 12.Tamil in Universities: Worlds renowned universities like, California, Yale, Haward, London, Brookln, Pennslyvenniya universities has Tamil Department in it. 13. And one and only living classical language of India.
Last but not least...
14.www.Google.com: which offers 5 indian languages (Hindi, Bengali, Telugu, Marathi and Tamil), there is no Kannada here though the Google office is there in Bangalore.
First try to include Kannada in Google then talk about your superiority....
14 points are just sample, If I list all, then sky is the limit.....
RE:How To Find This
by commanman on Feb 09, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
Even I never had hatredness towards any language, but after seeing all the messages posted here for past 3-4 days, I bacame like that.
If you have any argument about my messages you can always argu on that. But you can see lot of abusing words here from kannadigas, which I never used.
See all the messages posted by me in this forum and conclude who has rich culture and who doesn't.
No Tamils expect you(kannadigas) to like the Tamils and Tamil culture.
Tamil is been already recoganized for her richness of language and culture by Govt. Of India and rest of the world.
Once again I can see the jelousness against Tamils.
Even after your lawyer Nariman accepted the verdict, your politician making this issue as unnesessary political issue, this shows the attitude.
RE:RE:RE:How To Find This
by tk on Feb 13, 2007 12:31 PM Permalink
1. Indias Highest Civilian Award Bharat Ratna Recipients: Tamils are the highest around 35 than anyother state. 2. Very First 2 Recipients of Bharat Ratna are Tamils C.Rajagopalachari and Dr. Sir. C.V. Raman. 3. Green Revolution: This initiated and executed by 2 Tamils C.Chidambaram(Former Agri Minister), Dr. M.S.Swamynathan (Agri Scientists) 4. Nuclear Research: 1998 Nuclear test is initiated and executed by 2 great tamil scientists Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam(DRDO) and P.Chidambaram(DAE) 5. Presidents: Till now 3 presidents are from TN 6. President of Sigapore is a Tamil: SR Nathan. 7. Tamil is national language of Srilanka, Singapore and Malyasia 8. France & Canada are considering to make Tamil as their one of their official languages. 9. In Internet: Largets number of webpages available in Tamil only next to English. 10. BBC: BBC broadcast news in 40 languages,in which there are only 3 indian languages those are Tamil, Bengali and Hindi. 11.China's offcial govt radio broadcasts Tamil programs 2 hrs daily. 12.Tamil in Universities: Worlds renowned universities like, California, Yale, Haward, London, Brookln, Pennslyvenniya universities has Tamil Department in it. 13. And one and only living classical language of India.
Last but not least...
14.www.Google.com: which offers 5 indian languages (Hindi, Bengali, Telugu, Marathi and Tamil), there is no Kannada here though the Google office is there in Bangalore.
First try to include Kannada in Google then talk about your superiority....
14 points are just sample, If I list all, then sky is the limit.....
RE:RE:How To Find This
by on Feb 10, 2007 03:51 AM Permalink
I agree with you. There is lots of jealousy, because everywhere Tamil is being recognised. not just in India. This doesn't mean we believe other languages are inferior but we do like to celebrate our language. However, you see lots of Kannadigas bashing Tamil here for no reason.
I request people from other states. India is a democratic country. So in india, any place you people can go work, live etc.. That is right also. But people should give respect to the locals and local language. If you don't like, keep quiet. But don't abuse. You people should understand local's sentiments. By abusing and teasing one state's language, you won't get anything. Water issue is only a namesake. But some people from other states are using this platform to abuse locals and local language. One day this leads to a big problem. All people in karnataka are started feeling angry about these abuses to their mother state.
You are telling lie you are watching tamil channels. Don't tell lies like this. You northi people won't respect any south indian languages. People are protesting by blocking tamil channels. In past, even in tamil nadu, kannada channels were blocked for a month. Here we are providing 6-7 tamil channels. There they were giving only 2 kannada channels. In movie field, all states are remaking good movies. You northi people are remaking almost all south indian movies. So many kannada movies are remaked to tamil and telugu. In each movie so many technicians from different language, religion and place will work for that. If you don't like bangalore, then go to chennai. We in Blore wont miss you. Talent is plentily available in karnataka. You are not indispensible. You are telling that upendra is not considered as actor. How you can tell like this? Each actor will be having his own mannerisms? It shows your bad steorotypic attitude towards kannada and kannada people. The people like you enjoying her all the comforts like place, weather, climate of bangalore and talking adverse about that state and people. You north indians are having plenty of your own problems. First you try to solve those. IF it is not friendly state, why you did you come here. You please go to your state or tamilnadu.
RE:Mr. rock
by rameinaussie on Feb 12, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
Hey chill out, this is just a water dispute let the law take the course. Let us not rip each other apart. I am a tamilian but at the same time would say that I am proud of the achievements of bangalore and Kanadigas. Hey lets not get emotional and feed hatred, brother we both belong to one mother India. So lets work together to solve this problem together not against each other.
here it is .. the Cauvery issue and we start off again ... the pseudo intellectuals and quasi literates of b'lore, pitching up their tamil bashing ( instead of concentrating the on the actual issue).. and yes the tamils retaliating by reinforcing the doctrine that mother earth still exists because of them. I of the belief that this message board was created tocome up with solutions not as the medium of catharsis of personal prejudices of of people of some 'bright' people we have seen on this board.
coming up with solutions to this issue is not an easy task. A few points could be taken into consideration: 1. Assesment of demand: supply needs of each state. For this an assessment of the area of irrigation of each state needs to be tallied with the actual flow ( averaged over an year). 2. Secondly the type of crops ( eg:rice in TN and Sugarcane in K' taka) and their requirements need to be considered. 3. Supply of water to major cities( like b'lore) and their increasing demands through expansion need to be considered. 4. The adequate generation of utilities like electricity through projects along the course of the river also needs consideration. 5. An independant team from the centre should have all the facts and figures for the last 10 years( as these would give the best trends and future predictions ). Some of these qustions need to be answered : 1. Is karnataka gettting enough water for its needs?. If no.... how much more does it need? 2.Is b'lore's rapid expansion t being taken into consideration? 3.How often does the river basin in TN dry up? 4. How much of the Cauvery river flow untapped into the Bay of Bengal?Is there an environment friendly way of minimizing this and maximizing the tapping this precious resource? 5. There is a high possibility that both the states are infact receiving less than the desired amount( which I think is the reality!). Then there is need for venturing into other possibilities like 'linking of rivers'. Definetly there is no room for stupidly discussing if b'lore would do better without the tamilians or the tamil channels or if tamil is the godmother of all south indian ( if not all indian) languages. My request to the likes of commanman, sandeep,anand and raj is please shed out your negative attitude and pitch in some bright ideas to solve the nagging issue that has brought in a lot of hinderance in progress of both states, has brought about major personal, material, commercial and moral loss to the region and the country in general
Being a Northi i love tamil channels most compared to the others as kannda channels seem to be copyin the tamil channels in all respect. If they could block all tamil channels including Suntv evn U2 , udaya movies and the like have to be blocked as the proprieters are those of Sun Network. They wont do it coz its "Kannada". So funny all this is. I really appreciate the tamils as they seem to be satisfied with what they've got though they had asked for more. The tribunal is an objective one and TamilNadu has nothign to do with all this. Its has just requested for a share of the natural resource and the neutral committe has awarded it. They have to clamour against the tribunal instead of stopping Tamil Nadu buses and channels which is a shame for the whole of Karnataka especially Bangalore in this day of information age as being a manager in a reputed concern i really feel ashamed when i'll have to explain each n evry bit of whats happening in and around the place to foreigners who are laughing through their butts as they've never heard of such things on the foreign shores. Now they also seem to be a little concerned abt outsoucing their projects as one guy funnily asked me "What if the city does a rolling protest if the outsourced project doesnt come out well and we ask abt it"
RE:My salutations to the silent
by Rationalist on Feb 09, 2007 06:57 PM Permalink
Mr.Manager, Keep ur opinion abt Kannada channels 2 urself. No body has aksed ur stupid opinion.I think u know only these 2 channels which r least good kannada channels.If u love those stupid channels it only shows ur bad ur taste. Regarding Upendra, u dont have any capablity to comment him. He's a genius. His film UPENDRA was hit in Japan .If u r not capable of understanding its ur incapablity. Any filmmaker in India cannaot even think to his level currently or atleast not proven. Dont go by mannerisms,looks. Look at the content he provides. May b u r one those narrowmindied persons jealous abt KA. Thats y u prefer to support TN.Not that u love Tamils.
RE:My salutations to the silent
by Karunaadava on Feb 09, 2007 10:01 AM Permalink
Absolute crap.I really suspect your credentials now.Anyone can calim any origin that suits his/her convenience and put up an argument. Nobody is stopping he Sun netwok from closing down.
Now coming to your argument,it just shows how ignorant you are about the topic being discussed and still want to post some non-sense siding with one party. Grow up!!
i really feel the need to pitch in at this time and give my personal opinion on this. I'm basically from Delhi but have been both in chennai and bangalore.No offence,but lemme tell u the reality. It does bite but u'll have to put that in ur pipe and smoke it.To be frank, bangalore is really an unfriendly state compared to all other cosmos in the world. Reasons Galore as to why it is. Plz look down . Its just my objective view since i'm from a different part of India. 1)People in bangalore seem to be takin up the cudgels for trivial issues when theres a lot to be developed in and around the place:For instance-the Hosur road expressway project and Metro rail which dont seem to happenin at a faster pace.Leaving all these issues they are bickering over a common natural resource.No one in this world can claim complete ownership of a natural resource. Its a shame in the first place fighting for that. 2)I was really embarassed as i was with a foreigner(our company's client) showing him places in and around bangalore. he really felt sick about the bad condition of roads in the first place. Adding to it the rolling protests on the roads must have gotten him on his nerves that he burst out asking "are they barbarians?are they not civilised". I had to hang down my face in shame. 3)when bangalore is really going places the issue which happened some months back about the govt stopping the education of poor children and making them sit at home without providing an alternative just because they were English medium schools. Does any company in this global era ask for kannada when one goes for a job interview. These politicians seem to have a say in all important matters including something which concerns a persons individuality which is not right. 4)Anything for the cause of Kannada ,these politicians seem to be raisin their voices just to gain political mileage. 5)Also they dont seem to put a friendly attitude towards neighbouring states as well blocking all tamil channels but acting quite contrary by remaking most of tamil movies. 6)Upendara who cant be considered an actor at all seems to have acted in a remake of 1960's famous Tamil movie Rathakanner and how about that running to packed houses. 7)They want box office hits by remaking tamil movies but block tamil channels alone. Is that not animosity towards Tamils who are really friendly and generous compared to these kannadigas. I've been in chennai for a couple of years and have never heard of or seen rolling protests in my life until i happened to c here when we keep bragging to the external world of Bngalore being a cosmo place 8)when it cant take a simple neighbouring states issue in its own strides how can it handle international pressures. Just coz IT companies are situated in bangalore , lot of people come here for job reasons otherwise whos gonna stay in this unfriendly,unholy place which is nothing short of a holy shit. 9)To conclude, the train blocking roko which happened here today was just a gimmick. The news item in todays(Feb8,2007) Times of India has definitely tickled my funny bone as the protestors ran for their lives when the speeding train from Mysore came approching near them. Some have even been injured thinking that the trains gonna come to a grinding halt. But the reality is the govt didnt really seem to have bothered abt the lives of agitators as there dont seem to be a proper communication. Its like this:politicains keep putting up this unfriendly attitude towards evry other boundary of masses , inciting groundroot people and instigating them and using them to their advantage. In reality their wards would be receiving education in a high profile foreign university and damaging hotels in and around bangalore like how the chief ministers son did it and got scot free 10)the lot from other places have to patiently endure all this just for job reasons and witness things keeping their mouths and a*** wide open
RE:Lemme chip in
by Anand K N on Feb 08, 2007 11:36 PM Permalink
Mr.Rock, Your comments are in poort taste. I read you are a northie from your previous comment. 1) What is a trivial issue? Water is NOT a common natural resource. It is very precious for everyone and we are protesting the injustice. In a democracy everyone has the right to protest. Afterall, it was peaceful and no one was hurt. Just becoz there are a million other issues doesnt mean this is not important. 2). We dont need you client's opinion on how to behave. assuming he was a white guy, you should have asked him about their 'barbaric' behaviour, bombing innocent people in Iraq to take revenge on one man. The list is endless about the brutal and barbaric behaviour of the white man. Do you even know the meaning of barbaric? Yes, India has problems but that doesnt mean you have to be ashamed of it in front of a foreigner. Bad roads are not in Blore alone. Go to your own town in the North and i Can assure you, you will have even more horrible roads and very rude drivers. Be grateful you are in Blore. 3)You are so ill informed about what is happening in K'taka. Couldnt balme you, you read the Toilet paper of India (TI). They are fit to give you Page 3 info, nothing more than that. Schools that were given permission to teach in Kannada medium had violated the law and started teaching in English. They were getting exhorbitant fees from students and also getting aid and benefits from the Govt. The Govt is not againts teaching English but against schools violating the norms. Did the gOvt have any problems with other schools like the ones that have been teaching in english medium with valid permits? For once the Govt did its job and pulled up the violators. Even when the govt does its job(for a change) you complain and criticize becoz you are ill informed. Just becoz the stupid news media distorts the news, which they do every day, doesnt make it the truth. Please understand the issue before you start your rambling. If you dont have the time to read and understand the issue indepth, dont comment about it. 4) What is wrong in raising issues in favour of the local language? As for political mileage, everything in India is made into a political drama. The best dramas are of course enacted in your Northie cities. Do we need to elaborate on that?! 5 &6). What do you know about being 'unfiendly' to neighbours? We can block whatever channels we want. Is there a law that states we cant. That is a very benign way of protest. What happened to your Bihari brothers when they were working in Assam? 60 people were hacked to death for earning their livilehood. Now, Assam is an unfiendly state. Not K'takaka for blocking a few channels. You are not gonna die if you dont watch some movies or episodes for a few days. FYI, Chennai also has blocked Kannada channels in the past. Do your homework before you yap. You have no idea about movies. We can also argue about the n number of movies in TAmil that are remakes of Telugu movies and some Kannada movies. To give an example, Chandramukhi a superhit of Rajini is a remake of the Kannada hit Aapthamitra. Remakes are made in all lang, even your own Hindi movies have remakes from Southie movies. Somtimes the vice versa holds true. What is wrong in making remakes? If something is good instead of restricting the audience that enjoys it, you are making sure more people enjoy it. 7). Again, blocking channels is a way of protest. That is not animosity to the people. Animosity is what the ULFA showed to your Bihari borthers. If chennai is go great please go there. There are so many software co (assuming you are from a software co)in Chennai. We in Blore wont miss you. Talent is plentily available in India. You are not indispensible. 8) What international pressure are you talking of? Every city has its problems. What job reasons? If you cant tolerate B'lore nobody is forcing you to be here. You can always find a job in Chennai, H'bad. You have the audacity to talk about B'lore but have no guts to develop your nothie cities. Your politicians make your life miserable and you have the nerve to comment about a democratic protest in the form of blocking channels in Blore. You reek of double standards. 9) Ok, granted that politics is played at a very low and petty level. But your Northie land is not free of this. In fact more tamasha happens in your northie belt. Everyone knows that the hotel incident was a political drama with the opposition pulling the strings. Remember the episode when Laloo's daughter was getting married, Laloo's goons went on a rampage and broke down the Tata showroom and took away all the cars. Tata had to finally shut the showroom. This clearly had no opposition hand. I am not saying that politicians here in Blore are great. They are all the same wherever you go. But please be more mindful of what you say and dont bash Blore which is feeding you and your family. 10). Thanks for patiently enduring everything for the sake of your job. Try to make Blore a better place to live in. I appreciate you saying Jai K'taka rajya and hope it is genuine and a sarcastic one.
RE:RE:RE:Lemme chip in
by Venkata Subramani on Feb 09, 2007 01:23 AM Permalink
First, hats off Anand, you have a good career in Film Industry as a story teller..The greatest joke is that you have water is Not a natural resource....Then do you think you created water....
If we point some of the problems you divert it with Iraq and bombings..I AM SURE YOU WILL BECOME A POLITICIAN SHORTLY..WHO KNOWS YOU MAY BECOME THE CM ONE DAY...
Further, I wonder how much time you have spent on this matter..This shows you are on the lookout for a job or having lots of free time in your work..I am sure you are not using the net at your home or in cafe by spending money...
RE:RE:RE:RE:Lemme chip in
by prashanthmanae on Feb 09, 2007 02:49 AM Permalink
WHTZ UR F****IN PROBLEM???HE USES INTERNET FOR ANYTHING...WHO KNOWS U MAY BE DOWNLOADING PORN!!!!
RE:RE:RE:RE:Lemme chip in
by Anand K N on Feb 09, 2007 09:04 AM Permalink
Mr Subramani, Read the comments properly. Water is NOT a common resource (yes, it is natural; read in context to what Rock has to say). If it was so common, we wouldnt have this argument in the first place. Thank you, the film industry is for churning future CMs for TN.
I am NOT diverting the issue. I am merely answering to the points raised by Rock. If you cannot understand the argument dont comment.
My points only show that I can comprehend what someone is saying and can engage in intelligent argument. In fact Rock has commented very little on the water problem and instead is bashing B'lore even though he lives and earns in Blore. He is the one digressing. Read the comments before you process it.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Lemme chip in
by thejaswi mg on Feb 09, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
Venkata read the topic care fully and then comment dont do it in hurry(If you are using the Net from you home) Anand said Water not a comman Natural resource means it is a natural resource which very much less. You people find every topic a story thats why you release so many tamil movies in a year. Anand is not pointing Iraq problem.He is just saying that they dont have rights to say us as they them self are doing so many killing. I am not sure from anand replied but i am replying from my Home. Dont worry i am not wasteing my money to reply to your useless message as Internet is free for me in Night.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Lemme chip in
by prashanthmanae on Feb 09, 2007 02:38 AM Permalink
HE IS A BLEADY NORTHIE WHO HAS COME HERE SEARCHING FOR A JOB...BEFORE WAS IN BLORE THEN WENT TO CHENNAI..TOMORROW HE WILL GO TO HYDERABAD AND WILL START ABUSING CHENNAI...U SHOULD TOLD THAT WHITE GUY THAT PEOPLE IN SOUTH INDIA ARE MORE CIVILISED THEN NORTHIES...U TAKE HIM TO UP,BIHAR,MP HE WILL KNOW....AND MAY BE U WILL REALISE...UR DRINKING THIS WATER AND EATING IN KARNATAKA AND STAYING HERE...IF NOT U WUD BE BEGGING ON THE ROADS!!!!
