After 50 yrs India is being ruled by a Sikh appointed by a Foreign Italian Christain and no BOMBS are exploded by RSS/VHP/BJP????
In Pakistan Military coup followed by an attack on Indian as Kargil. Selling of Nulcear Technology to Fanatic Iran. (Iran who has oil needs Nulcear Technology for power generation :) :)).
That's a guranteed proof that if a Muslim society follows Islam then it is doomed for failure. I mean seriously what other proof does one need. Pakistan has banned Indian movies while SRK is extracting crores of rupees from both Hindus and Muslims in India..
I mean to all the moderate muslims do you still think VHP/RSS/BJP is as fanatic as Bangladeshi or Pakistani and now Hyderabadi fanatics.. Huh..
RE:Who is better India or Pakistan?
by QandA on Aug 31, 2007 01:49 AM Permalink
You First Muslim name and a last Hindy name holds a long story and a proof for Hindus..
RE:Why Muslim Imam leave Islam........
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 01:37 AM Permalink
I can give you examples of Hindus/Christians/Jews/Athiest that have converted to Islam. Stop making decisions on a one point Sample.
RE:Why Muslim Imam leave Islam........
by Proforma Invoice on Aug 31, 2007 01:45 AM Permalink
Islam is a 1 way street where u cannot leave it once u become a muslim. Further, the Muslims (nuts like Dr Zakir Naik)spread is that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Truth is it is not. -%Iranians want to leave it. but they fear for their life that they will be killed.
RE:Why Muslim Imam leave Islam........
by msa on Aug 31, 2007 08:15 AM Permalink
I think you forgot to look at western countries... Islam is the number one...The truth will defeat the false...
Pls give me the name of a well known personality having converted to Islam,... I agree to your point that all are not maligned, but its also not 'just-few' of them out there who are war monging, They are big in number and they are bombing !
RE:Bhuddha ... Why are you obscessed with you Dude ???
by Proforma Invoice on Aug 31, 2007 01:37 AM Permalink
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Muslims_Leaving_Islam
RE:Bhuddha ... Why are you obscessed with you Dude ???
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 01:44 AM Permalink
Why are you so upset...Read and study the Quran...and tell your RSS/VHP financers to do the same. Inshallah, you will find peace in Islam.
RE:Bhuddha ... Why are you obscessed with you Dude ???
by mpncn mpn on Sep 03, 2007 12:21 PM Permalink
yeah defeintly u will find peace in Islam like the whole world is finding 'true peace' provided by Islamists .or ny the 2nd prophet Laden
I can give you 10 poorer hindus,they do not turn terrorists ? And if you are so poor, but want to educate your kids, how come you end up having 11. Cricket khelna tha kya ?
RE:Donot use being poor an excuse
by Proforma Invoice on Aug 31, 2007 01:30 AM Permalink
But besides those 1000 there are 100 who proudly turn to Terrorism in the name of Religion.
RE:Donot use being poor an excuse
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 01:35 AM Permalink
Exactly my point... Why blame Islam for that...There are a majority in the Muslim community that are peaceful and love their country...
There are these trouble makers everywhere. If you blame Islam, then you are defining the problem to be 1.4 Billion people.
RE:Donot use being poor an excuse
by Proforma Invoice on Aug 31, 2007 01:40 AM Permalink
U do not follow logic Imran. The 100 r committing terrorists act in the name of Muslim religion, in the name of Allah, in the hope of going to Jannat to sleep with their 72 virgins as promised by Mohammad in Quran.And these 100 consider Muslims like you also to be inferior.
RE:Donot use being poor an excuse
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 01:46 AM Permalink
So their interpretation of Islam is wrong...I get that. Why are you blaming Islam.
If someone does not understand 2 2=4, you do not change the principles of Mathematics becoz of their stupidity.
They are criminals and must be treated as per the rule of the land.
RE:Donot use being poor an excuse
by mpncn mpn on Sep 03, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
That eactly is the point, those 100 criminals are protected by ur community people and are being called as the Heros..
Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by QandA on Aug 31, 2007 01:12 AM Permalink | Hide replies
I was raised by Hindi films which used to say "All religions are same". "Sama Dhrama Smabhav". But I did not had a chance to check what other religions were saying. Christains are after poor Hindus and want to convert them at the fisrt opportunity. And Muslims on another side want to align with sepratists ideology and not identifying anything with the Hindus to the point that they refuse to sing "Vande Mataram". Kalam and Rehman both don't have objection to sing "Vande Mataram" but the Muslim poiticians make it as a issue.. I mean what's "Vande Mataram". It is just repecting India as a mother. But even moderate muslims object singing "Vande Mataram" in schools. If people can't even agree on this simple issue do you think India as a country is going to be any stronger like China?
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 01:31 AM Permalink
Idiot... Vande Mataram has got nothing to do with Patriotism. It is just a song that suits the Hindu belief in gods and Godess.
IT IS NOT THE NATIONAL ANTHEM IT IS NOT PART OF THE INDIAN CONSTITUTION
WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ???
All Muslims sing the national anthem.
Stop this drama of symbolic patriotism. Pay you taxes...do not bribe people of take bribe. You will do better service to nation than singing "Vande Mataram"
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by QandA on Aug 31, 2007 01:42 AM Permalink
Please sing it for me only once.. Please Please sing it.. Prove me that you are not afraid of anything.. Please prove that sometimes a Muslim can keep his idealogy SAME AS HINDU DID WHEN THEY ACCEPETED A MUSLIM PRESIDENT. If we show solidarity then we expect sometihing in return. No more freebies...
RE:RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 01:52 AM Permalink
As a Muslim I do not believe in the concept of my Birth Country being a "Mata". Allah gave me one Mother.
Patriotism shows in your conduct, in your dealings and your interactions. Not this symbolic songs.
My country will NOT be an inch better by these songs. Pay you taxes and do not be part of any bribes...You will be more patriotic.
RE:RE:RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by QandA on Aug 31, 2007 02:09 AM Permalink
That's exactly the point Buddha is trying to make. You will never evolve beyond your teachings., Even if all the Humanity travels to Mars or moon there also you will point in the direction of Eart 'Cos that where Mecca is right?
If Hindus can love Sher O Shayari why can't the Muslims sing Vande Mataram. That's exactly the point Buddha is trying to make. Your Islamic teaching doesn't allow you to experiment. It doesn't allow you any freedom for any thought process and this halts the evolution of a Muslim mind..
Why R U blindly follwing any teachings? In Hinduism we have freedom to criticize and even correct any Hindu intepretations? When can this happen in Islam?
Why are U blindly following Allah? If U agree that this Universe is the reflection of GOD then U are stupid to beleive that this GOD or nature is forzen as a book written by your Allah. Look around this Earth and Universe is chaging evey second. How can something 1400 years ago could be true today.. Stop follwoing any Koran or any teachings. They are in their times. The Universe (which is a reflection of GOD) has changed in a million ways by now..
RE:RE:RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by naresh kaushik on Aug 31, 2007 04:00 AM Permalink
One MATA That is the Beauty of being an Indian, "tu hi mata tu hi pita ho" " eh Malik tere Bande hum" "haste hue nikle dum" Indian convert Muslims should understand that they belonged to India and Indian faith well, well, well before ISLAM was born, ek alag bath hai ki woh Zabardasti ke saude se Muslman Ban gaye,hum Islam ka Izzat karte hai,ek astha ke nam par , magar if this asth has to kill your own brothers and sisters ie Indians and also like Iraq, hum watan,hum dard,hum dost,hum safar,hum jigar,all; has um ie Mother,in arabic,why the hell then In Islamic country nthey name places Um Ramal,Um Watan. Please read Please read the books and Philosopy, particulary written by Islamic Scholars , you have many web site adresses hosted by your Islamists,read between the lines you will find the contradictions within the theories among theories,ALL RELIGIONS HAVE FAILED IN THIS WORLD, IF NOT WHY WOULD HAVE BEEN THESE MANY KI9LLINGS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION, BE IT IRAQ, SUDAN ,BOSNIA,LEBENON, PALESTINE,INDIA,PAKISTAN, AFGANISTAN,AZERBAIZAN, MERI JAAN BAHUT HO GAYA DHARAM KA NATAK BUS EK DHARAM KA PALAN KARO WO HAI INSANIYYAT,SIRF INSANIYAAT,HUME JANNAT KA KHWAB MAT DIKLAWOO,ISI SAR JAMI PAR JANNAT,AMANAT AUR KAYAMAT HAI, HAME KITABI AUR MAULAVI JANNAT KA KHAWAB MAT DIKLAVO, BAHUT JAWAN LOG MAR RAHE HAI GOLIYOO SE,BOMB O SE,BIWI YA VIDWA HO RAHI HAI,BACCHE BHIK MAANG RAHE HAI,HUME HAAT PEHLANA NAHI HAI KHADI DESHO KE SAMANE,KI ISLAM KE DHARM KE NAAM PE BHIK DE DE SHAIK. JAISE PALESTEN
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by Patriot on Aug 31, 2007 02:23 AM Permalink
"It is just a song that suits the Hindu belief in gods and Godess."
Imran, this is what our NATIONAL SONG Vande Matarm means - ----------------------- Mother, I bow to thee! Rich with thy hurrying streams, bright with orchard gleams, Cool with thy winds of delight, Dark fields waving Mother of might, Mother free.
Glory of moonlight dreams, Over thy branches and lordly streams, Clad in thy blossoming trees, Mother, giver of ease Laughing low and sweet! Mother I kiss thy feet, Speaker sweet and low! Mother, to thee I bow. ---------------------
It has nothing to do with Hindu belief. Muslims sang this alongside Hindus when they all fought for a Free India, together. And it does have a lot to do with Patriotism.
I agree with all your other comments and they were highly logical as opposed to some other completely stupid comments I have read.
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by imran patel on Aug 31, 2007 01:48 AM Permalink
I am always for common civil code. This is just a political issues which has been used by Muslims and Hindus alike.
If you are true Muslim, then he/she should be able to resolve matters using the advise and guidance from the Quran. No need to go to the courts that are corrupt.
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by QandA on Aug 31, 2007 01:56 AM Permalink
Can U repeat that? Do U really have permissions from your friends/relatives/parents for accpeting UCC>. Boy Oh Boy.. That's a first for me.. I know so many moderate muslims but NOT A SINGLE ONE EVEN WANTS TO DISCUSS UCC. You are the first muslims against whom a rational argument of UCC is possible. I am talking about 21'st century Human Rights based UCC accepted by all PEOPLE in India.. That's a first for me....
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by max on Aug 31, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
In hindu communities in South India, marriage between maternal uncle and his niece is widespread and is considered as a birth-right of the groom. In hindu communities in Punjab, Harayan, a woman is married to her husband's brothers. Would hindus accept this in their uniform civil code?
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by mpncn mpn on Sep 03, 2007 12:31 PM Permalink
Marx, yes that system were prevaling in south India, but during this century it has been rejected by the the same society and they are marrying girls from out side their family. While Hindus accpeted the reforms, Muslims could never and will never accept and will stick to their Muslim laws-shariat
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Aug 31, 2007 01:22 AM Permalink
The problem with religions of middle eastern origin is that they just are not satisfied with their personal belief of Jesus as son of God or Allah as their God. They also have a component of rejection of any other concept. That is if you are a Christian, just belief in Christ is not enough, you have to reject the Hinduism as devil worship. If you are a Muslim, just showing reverence to Mohammad is not enough. You also need to punish those who do not accept their belief as kafirs who should be killed. The religions of Asian origin do not have rejection as a component. Therefore, Hinduism or Buddhism or Jainism, do not have violence as a necessary part of the belief. While they do preach some degree of self protection, they not make it a point to go and plunder other lands people in the name of their faith.
RE:Budhha has really opened a different can of worms
by RRRChola on Aug 31, 2007 01:28 AM Permalink
Buddiraju, not like that re..
It is a case of fanatics in samll groups.... U see the posting on this board, these are professional paid bloggers, spreading hatred, no religion is bad if taken in total...
RE:Buddha ji
by Proforma Invoice on Aug 31, 2007 01:11 AM Permalink
Islam is so inspirational. It inspires murder, torture and rape against anyone Muslims disagree with. What a RELIGION indeed.
Godhra was I would say necessary to show that Hindus will not take this oppression any more, And to SHOW THAT You are in civilized society and behave yourself !
RE:Buddha ji
by Patriot on Aug 31, 2007 02:09 AM Permalink
And that was the right thing to do? What makes you so sure that it was not something that someone from Pakistan initiated?
Your truth is India. Your mother and your identity. Uphold India and don't divide it on the basis of narrow domestic walls such as religion. All religions today have to take the blame that they created these walls. The whole concept of that "they are muslims and we are hindus" is so pathetic. Why did both these religions fight for independence together then?
The british did a perfect job of dividing India on the basis of religion. But are we so stupid that we give fuel to that fire even today? Maybe Pakistan is wrong. But if we don't do what is right, then what does that make us?
The muslims living in India are INDIANS. Treat them as equals because in times to come you will hold hands with them and will be collectively called INDIA.
RE:RE:Buddha ji
by naresh kaushik on Aug 31, 2007 05:03 AM Permalink
who said Islam is the fastest growing religion in this world, if so by what means, Would like to know ?? is this religion growing by the virtue of conviction, acceptence or by the virtue of birth rate ?? polygomous ?? Islam is just above 23 percent of the world population
RE:Buddha ji
by arjun on Aug 31, 2007 04:07 AM Permalink
Dear Fayez and Siraj,let us forget about above statements by Buddha and self reflect our responses.Currently worlwide Islam is viewed with suspicion and has got bad name-whether you agree this or not this is true.We must have the guts to alienate the bad among us and treat them firmly as bad .If we do not we will not a religion to show to our children-such is the crisis.As far as comment regarding racism goes what fayez said above is false-Go to Dubai or Gulf-see how badly you are treated even after you say you are muslim.That is nothing but racism.What we all need to do is think beyond what our elders and mullahs have preached and judge if everything of that is true.50 yrs ago someone said that muslims in India will not have growth and we need a seperate country-well look at the fate of Pakistan.Do you think that will last another few years???Please think about these issues and self reflect.
RE:Buddha ji
by Md Siraj on Aug 31, 2007 01:50 AM Permalink
You guys are nuts! Get your facts right :) I always wondered who Allah referred to when he talked about people who have eyes but can't see, who have ears but can't hear...after reading all these sickening pieces of allegations against a noble man and a noble religion, I'm convinced that there are also people who have brains but don't want to think. What a waste! Get a life, buddies. Wake up! Learn Arabic (even basics are enough) and read Qur'an. If you don't change your opinion even then, only Allah can help you! Contact me, if ever, you need any help in understanding Islam, at siraj_rahman@rediffmail.com. Btw, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) never raped anyone. How can he teach people Surah Nur of Quran and go against it and still have thousands of people (in his times) follow him? Do what Islam invites all mankind to do: Think!
RE:Kaaba a vedic temple
by Proforma Invoice on Aug 31, 2007 01:26 AM Permalink
Read Muslim Imam, Ex-Professor in Al Azhar University, Cairo,Egypt (Most prestigious Islamic school of theology )
RE:Kaaba a vedic temple
by amitabh kumar on Aug 31, 2007 01:22 AM Permalink
This seems true even from political history. After the greeks were defeated by Chandragupt Maurya, they had to cede most of the large Persian empire, now Iran and Iraq to India. That gave us land access and supremacy over the Persian land. Thats how Hinduism must have travelled to deep inside middle east, which was later overthrown by Mohammad.
