RE:India's finest Prime Minister
by abhik bhattacharjee on Aug 20, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
The pathetic communist Sahadevan, China's loyal dalal, may start preparing for mid-term polls
Dr Manmohan Singh should operationalise the Indo-US nuclear deal , resign and seek a fresh mandate if he is true to his salt . He should maintain his dignity and tell the shameless hypocrites embodied by the left that their political Godfather China signed a nuclear deal with USA way back in 1985 under pathetically humiliating terms whereas India has got away with a reasonably honourable deal. These so-called leftists have always acted against Indian interests and ,this time around , they are trying to scuttle the deal and tell in a few years that 'it was a historic blunder'.
RE:Left vis-a-vis nuclear deal
by Narayanan Ramasubramanian on Aug 20, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
Ok OK Mr indianpatriot .. Then whom do you think. BJP Whether it is BJP or COngress... DEAL will go through BJP is opposing this deal just because of political opportunism.
RE:Left vis-a-vis nuclear deal
by George on Aug 20, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
http://indianembassy.org/newsite/press_release/2006/July/hr5682072706.pdf There are many terms which affect sovereignty of the nation.
RE:Left vis-a-vis nuclear deal
by manish kumar on Aug 20, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
Thanks for giving the link, now tell me which ones infringe on our sovereignty.
RE:RE:Left vis-a-vis nuclear deal
by George on Aug 20, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
(B) the country has a functioning and un- interrupted democratic system of government, 24 has a foreign policy that is congruent to that of the United States, and is working with the United States in key foreign policy initiatives related to non-proliferation; (C) such cooperation induces the country to implement the highest possible protections against the proliferation of technology related to weapons of mass destruction programs and the means to deliver them, and to refrain from actions that would further the development of its nuclear weapons program;
RE:Left vis-a-vis nuclear deal
by manish kumar on Aug 20, 2007 04:38 PM Permalink
George, if you read the prelude to what has been mentioned in these sub-sections you will understand that US wants to enter into an agreement with India because it feels this agreement will "induce" India to do certain things. This in no way suggests that Inda "has to do" these things. This is how US has built up the case to push the deal through congress. If India does not do these by interpretations it can mean India has not been "induced enough". This is realpolitik and negotiations and interpretations. Nothing can be put in exact black and white and for things to be acceptable many things are kept in grey.
Please tell me if it is written anywhere that India "has agreed to do" or "has to do" somethings that is not acceptable.
RE:RE:Left vis-a-vis nuclear deal
by George on Aug 20, 2007 04:46 PM Permalink
@ Manish The moment India signs in the document it automatically tranlated to an "agreement" of all thats written there. According to the deal, the president has to submit a report each year showing that India is abiding by the terms (particularly in section 3) which would mean no co operation with Iran even if we want to,which => no gas pipeline. This is just one of the many implications
RE:Left vis-a-vis nuclear deal
by manish kumar on Aug 20, 2007 05:20 PM Permalink
Forget gas pipeline with Iran. It is not going to happen, if you think China will let the pipe line come to India then you are living in a fool's paradise. Why do you think China is shoring up Iran against US? It is all to do with energy. China has beaten us in energy game in Burma and the Central Asian countries. We are going to be beaten blue in Iran too given that we will always have morons in politics who use all their intelligence in . Even if they agree getting gas through Pakistan is an impossibility. As far as report is considered well US is routinely giving a good report card to Pakistan on nuclear proliferation and terrorism aspect because they need them. Till the time India and US work on a mutual benefit terms we are not going to suffer in any treaty with US. US has got least interest in controlling India except that we are an emerging superpower. So what is wrong in allying with US ? Japan UK amongst a host of countries have been strong allies of US, have they lost their sovereignty? My point is that the context of history has changed from territorial gains to economic ones. If simply have to see what benefits us most economically. Let us not get sentimental about countries like Iran. WE have never got any help from them. Most of the time they have gone for OIC resolutions against Kashmir authored by Pakistan. Whatever may be written in the paper but basically this is a step towards more cooperation and not because US wants to control us. Our support to US is
RE:RE:Left vis-a-vis nuclear deal
by manish kumar on Aug 20, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
immaterial in case of countries like Iran. What we have to foresee is the world after 25 years. China and US may be the only superpowers, we cannot sit on fence. In the previous era we took the side of Russia without losing our self respect and this time the choice is obvious. I don't understand why people are nit picking and not looking at the broader picture. The way you write it seems India is like a schoolchild standing outside the headmasters room (US) waiting to hand over an essay. That is not going to be the case. We are entering into a treaty on equal respect basis, it is the chemistry between leaders that would decide the issues rather than the fine print.
RE:Left vis-a-vis nuclear deal
by hiral joshi on Aug 20, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
Particularly the termination of deal at certain conditions is also very tricky.
