THE PARTY WHICH SUPPORTED CHINA IN 1962 WAR, SUPPORTS INFILTRATION OF THE BANGLADESHIS MIGRANTS FOR THEIR VOTE BANK CANT DO BETTER THAN THIS. EVERY PARTY HAS BLACK SPOTS BUT LEFT PLZ STOP PRETENDING TO BE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND OF INTELLECTUALS. AS FOR BJP BY SUPPORTING LEFT U PROVE U R NOTHING BUT OPPURTINISTIC POWER HUNGRY MONGRELS. CONGRESS SORRY SINCE U R IN GOVT U GET DEFAULT SUPPORT FROM US BUT U 2 HAVE U R SHARE OF CREATING MILLITANCY IN KASHMIR AND THE NE.LET THE PEOPLE LIKE APJ KALAM DECIDE WHTS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY NOT THE POLITICIANS. MR KARAT PLZ STOP ALL THE CONCERNS U SHOW ON NATIONAL INTEREST BETTER CONCENTRATE ON THE INFIGHTING IN KERALA FRONT.U R THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE FUNDAMENTALISTS TO GRAB THE MINORITY VOTES. UNFORTUNATELY U R GOOD FOR LECTURES & RHETORIC TRY WITH THEATRE OR COLLEGES NOT GOVT ITS NOT U R CUP OF TEA.
Only 2 nations in the whole world are opposing this deal, China and Pakistan.... China has the Most Favored NAtion status with the US and opposes the same status for India. China has got a similar nuclear deal with the US bt opposes the deal with India... Jyoiti Basu of CPM protested against Indian defence againt chinese invasion of india in 1962 and was jailed by Nehru for anti India activities. Basu went on to become the CM of bengal. Commies never condemn Chinese claim of arunachal Pradesh whn the people themselves want top be part of India.. CPM opposes Indian nuclear progress bt has no problems with Chinas nuclear arming of pakistan whch are targeted towards India and supports iranian nuclear program. The communists oppose industrialiazation in India and went on killing 100's of poor farmers in Singur and Nandigram tryin to grab farmers fertile land for setting up industries. Commies are ruling bengal for more than 30 years now and have reduced bengal from being the finest to being the poorest.. Only big industry in commie ruled states bangal and kerala are trade unions and their number one product is strikes and bandh. Commies vociferously opposed introduction of computers by rajiv gandhi, commies cald computers as evil and against national interest. Commies neva condemned chinese invasion of India in 1962. Commies do not recognize aksai chin in kashmir as part of india. Use your logic now...
RE:Commie traitors
by rajesh on Aug 21, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
The commies are the biggest enemies of our country. being in India the support China and are doing evrything possible to benefit their master - China. They seem to be more dangerous than Pakistan's ISI - because thse leftists are controlling two states and are in a very powerful position at Centre to dictate terms. A Weak Govt. headed by MMS and controlled by Sonia yeilds to most of the commies' demands - including projects and issues of National Security. How can a country allow traitors of this kind to live in its soil ?. If the people of india - especially the ones who love this country do not wake-up, it could be too late...
RE:Commie traitors
by Indu on Aug 21, 2007 09:29 PM Permalink
Communism as a form of government in any state, city or village, should be officially banned in India..India is a democratic country..not a Communist..
RE:Commie traitors
by Ankash Pravin on Aug 22, 2007 10:18 AM Permalink
commies don't celebrate Independence of india.Nor does they acknowledge Ghandhi's contribution to humanity.I wonder how they happened to form a political base in India. Folks the enemy is inside India our own people opposing this deal. I suggest these commies rightly belong in Northkorea not in democratic India. They have destroyed the work culture in kerala where hartal, trade union is their lifestyle
RE:Commie traitors
by Akshay Kumar on Aug 21, 2007 02:37 PM Permalink
Only two countries r opposing the deal China and Pakistan ok. Following your logic only two fronts the NDA and the Left front are opposing the deal in India. That means both left and NDA are anti-nationals right ???
RE:Commie traitors
by Batman on Aug 21, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
The left are anti nationals no doubt abt it.. if u have ne doubts then get atlest one commie to condemn china for 1962 war, get atleast one commie to declare arunachal as indian territory.. in 1000 years u won be able to do dat
RE:RE:Commie traitors
by Akshay Kumar on Aug 21, 2007 02:48 PM Permalink
That is not the answer to my question. I was asking how would u justify NDA's stand on the nuclear deal.
RE:Commie traitors
by jai chandra reddy on Aug 21, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
the above statements were only regarding the communist party's stand on the nuke deal, comming to the point of NDA, they are only taking advantage of the situation in creating problem for the UPA government,this does not mean that they are anti national.
RE:RE:RE:Commie traitors
by Sanjay Hazra on Aug 21, 2007 03:40 PM Permalink
Akshay, its the same Con-gress who had opposed the Nuclear Test in 1998. They had pulled in Media and NGO's and whtever they could have done to oppose NDA. Now the same Con-gress talks of development and energy requirment. Opportunistic??? So as per your standard con-gress tops the list in anti-Indian to be specific. Right???
RE:Commie traitors
by Batman on Aug 21, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
No i dont justify NDA's stand. they are playin cheap politics here at the expense of Indias interests
RE:Commie traitors
by the sniper on Aug 22, 2007 03:50 AM Permalink
Here is the difference between NDA and the communists... the NDA sticks to its position (even if wrong). The NDA wants the deal scrapped so that they can conduct more tests like they did in 1998. The communists deplored conducting the tests then, but are against the deal because it will prevent from conducting any in the future? this flip flopping is what makes them anti nationals.
RE:Nothing about BJP
by Sanjay Hazra on Aug 21, 2007 03:42 PM Permalink
Akshay, its the same Con-gress who had opposed the Nuclear Test in 1998. They had pulled in Media and NGO's and whtever they could have done to oppose NDA. Now the same Con-gress talks of development and energy requirment. Opportunistic??? So as per your standard con-gress tops the list in anti-Indian to be specific. Right???
RE:RE:Nothing about BJP
by janak shah on Aug 21, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
I think you have got confused between a nuclear bomb and nuclear energy. the deal is centered around the nuclear energy to generate more power to meet the current shortfall which is important for the industrialisation and growth of our economy. Oil reserve is decreasing, and nuclear energy is the feature. deal is not stoping us from making bombs. it just means don't make bombs from the uranium we supply, but u source ur own and make from it, we dont mine. India has developed a sound technology to make nuclear device which might not require feild testing, but can be done in the labs using super computer like the other developed countries do.
RE:Nothing about BJP
by janak shah on Aug 21, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
There are opposing what they had started.( by A B Vajpayee). They are opposing the deal in present form is because, the goverment has managed to negotiate a better deal than what the BJP would have settled for at the time it started the negotiations. After testing the nuclear device it was on a weaker gournd to bargain, in veiw of the sanctions and isolation. They just can't accept somebody doing one better than them. Its just opposition for the sake of being opposition. Its like letting two cats fights while monkey steals the bread.
RE:Nothing about BJP
by Vaibhav Pradhan on Aug 24, 2007 06:37 PM Permalink
The way American administrations treated BJP leaders when BJP was in power was in sharp contrast with the way they are treating Congress/Commies now. They gace LOTS of respect to BJP leaders. Remember, American senators even called our then external affairs minister Mr. Natawar Singh as being "dense"? American presedent used to come out and meet Mr. Jaswant Singh when he used to visit White House! So thats the difference. World respect the powerful and insult/humiliate the corrupt. Americans know very well how to treat corrupt Congress/Commies! I salute Americal for identifying who or which party works in Indians interest. What I fail to understand that how come Indians after 60 years of independence don't understand that there is NO future with Congress/Commies being in power. Very difficult to understand this !!!
RE:RE:Nothing about BJP
by on Aug 21, 2007 07:45 PM Permalink
From what I read earlier, it was admitted by an US spokeswoman(sorry, forgot her name), this is the best that US got. I felt at that time that perhaps, BJP didn't cave in as much. May be I am wrong !!!
RE:Nothing about BJP
by priya p on Aug 21, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
Its because we cannot test nuclear devices. Clearly that condition is against national interests?
RE:INDIA - a nation divided among itself..
by Vaibhav Pradhan on Aug 24, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
Simple answer to your question is people blindly trust Congress/left when these corrupt parties say that BJP's policies are disisive policies. You look at the US/British democracies and most of the parties (even their left parties) have policies similar to BJP's policies!
You may be right in saying that CPM is antinational but whats your view on this and why you are opposing the deal........You are saying that CPM dont' have right to oppose only you have been mandated for this........?
RE:Unclear Ram Madav....................
by Vaibhav Pradhan on Aug 24, 2007 06:41 PM Permalink
My dear commy, everyone had right to oppose the deal (thats what democracy is all about if you dont know) but political parties are obligated to provide the reason for their opposition and CPMs reason about future tests is full of hypocracy and unfortunately they can't come up with better reason than this. So, thats why they are hypocrats!
RE:Unclear Ram Madav....................
by Batman on Aug 21, 2007 02:29 PM Permalink
Only 2 nations in the whole world are opposing this deal, China and Pakistan.... China has the Most Favored NAtion status with the US and opposes the same status for India. China has got a similar nuclear deal with the US bt opposes the deal with India... Jyoiti Basu of CPM protested against Indian defence againt chinese invasion of india in 1962 and was jailed by Nehru for anti India activities. Basu went on to become the CM of bengal. Commies never condemn Chinese claim of arunachal Pradesh whn the people themselves want top be part of India.. CPM opposes Indian nuclear progress bt has no problems with Chinas nuclear arming of pakistan whch are targeted towards India and supports iranian nuclear program. The communists oppose industrialiazation in India and went on killing 100's of poor farmers in Singur and Nandigram tryin to grab farmers fertile land for setting up industries. Commies are ruling bengal for more than 30 years now and have reduced bengal from being the finest to being the poorest.. Only big industry in commie ruled states bangal and kerala are trade unions and their number one product is strikes and bandh. Commies vociferously opposed introduction of computers by rajiv gandhi, commies cald computers as evil and against national interest. Commies neva condemned chinese invasion of India in 1962. Commies do not recognize aksai chin in kashmir as part of india. Use your logic now...
@ Ram Madhav, Can you please let us know how the Nuclear Deal is going to make India better? In electricity, as far as green peace statistics shows, even if we build one plant every month (which is not even the average now considering the whole world) we will be far short of producing the required amount to generate substantial electricity from Nuclear power. In our current rate of construction, we may get nearly 7 percent of electricity from Nuclear Power in 2020. So, Mr, other than shouting slogans against left what actual data did you give in this article? It's true if you haven't shouted against left, Rediff moderators wouldn't publish your article. Tell me from your heart (and experience) would you believe US ever? Not a single country could trust US, so why India? And about Nuclear Test, even if we don%u2019t need that, but would you love to be Governed/ decided by US President? At least I wouldn%u2019t love. By the, surprisingly, the people who work or worked in nuclear related fields, they are not happy with this deal with US. Can you explain why?
RE:Good luck promising slave.....
by Soham Das on Aug 21, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
Mr Santanu Ray, (my dear Commie) please read the 123 Agreement on Indian Government's website(no joking, its public) and tell me that how can India go ahead with atleast that 7% generation(or whatever bull you are quoting) if India doesnt have the supply to fuel. What do you think, India is going great guns with its nuke department? Go refer your biased statistics, India doesnt even have supply of U-235 to sustain its nuclear plants. Whatever is going on is from its own mines in Bihar and parts of Chattisgarh. Cmon Mr. Santanu nobody is using U-235 in a single stage reactor. What we are talking about is hybrid reactors and we require Th and Pu for that. Who is gonna give that??And who trusts US ....nobody does..but thats diplomacy...you got to see whats tradeoff(which your own commie guys know so well to do in face of adversity), you got to have a basic minimum thing to get going to keep the basic minimum energy security. By the way, I dont believe that statistics. Governed by US, goddamn the rhetoric, asif we are not influenced by US now....nobody lives in an island. Just tell me, what will US do??? And finally nuke tests(hahahah..blimey), how many nuke tests US is doing??? UK??? okay what about our dear old China? Mr Santanu Roy, wake up...nobody does field tests of nuke today?Its too easily detectable by any Sputnik-era(oops Communism again) sattelite. Why US would like to let China know how great is it going in nuke field? these days there is something called lab tests
While taking on the left on this issue, Mr. Ram Madhav has failed to address the BJP's position. It may look quite similar to the Left. But it is not so.BJP is consistent with its position that any agreement that will hamper India's national interest, should be opposed.
On July 6,2007 ,while the 123 agreement was under negotiations, Former PM Mr. A.B. Vajapayee has made clear BJP's opposition to the "HYDE ACT". Although, the final script of 123 agreement does not mention any "post-India-N-test" scenario in letter, the spirit of the document remains the "HYDE ACT". The US side has made it amply clear that the 123 agreement will adhere to this act in toto. The Hyde act specifically mentions a Ban on further N-tests by India.It also expectss India's commitment to the 'multilateral' Fissile Material Cut Off Treaty (FMCT). These things are unacceptable in India's interests. A law enacted in a foreign country can not and should not decide India's strategic policy. The 123 agreement must make these things quite clear. In the present form, they are ambiguos. However, the Left are now waking up to the reality and barking at the deal because they are unleashed by their chinese chairman.
In July, when it was agreed by all opposition to seek a parliamentary resolution for PM's commitment to the protection of Indian Interests, the LEFT meekly surrendered to the government and agreed for a mere statement by the PM rather than a resolution.
RE:What Ram Madhav failed to mention...
by Shridhar Iyer on Aug 21, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
Dear Vijay,
The agreement is already signed by both parties, and I think it is too late to go back on it. What we can do now at this stage is to delay discussions with NSG, IAE, etc.
Before signing the agreement, the PM had assured the Parliament that India's interests are fully protected, and there are no compromises on them. However it is now coming out that our freedom to test nuclear weapons if necessary at a later date, is curtailed. They say if we go for testing, they will terminate the agreement. The agreement also says that Indian will co-operate with the US and other countries to prevent other countries going nuclear. I get a feeling these lines are brought in with Iran in mind. They may expect us to vote with them in the Iran issue. It means that our freedom in foreign policy gets interfered. These are the objections now by the opposition parties like Communists, BJP etc. On these accounts they appear to be right, because they are not in accordance with the PM's assurances given earlier. One may argue that we may not get the need to test nuclear weapons again, but we don't know, if the security situation warrants, we may have to go for it.
RE:RE:What Ram Madhav failed to mention...
by Pradip Parekh on Aug 23, 2007 01:31 AM Permalink
usa can not terminate it without paying for reclaimed technology and equipemnts. should this happen ten years later, india will not lose a whole lot, i thik. however, if the agreement is signed by india, and no further action is required from indian side, it's a fait accompli, no? so, what's all this talk about operationalizing?
