I could not agree more with the author of this article. An individual lives for self respect, the present system is demeaning to the individual, the society and the whole nation. I wonder why are the politicians never ashamed of what they propose. Mr Manmohan Singh and Mr PC Chidambaram are being intellectually dishonest if they say they endorse the proposals of Mr Arjun Singh, who is nothing more than an unscrupulous politician. The country has failed in providing good basic education to its children, we must make amends for our lapses, the village level schools have to become effective in providing good material to the country. Today hardly any village student can dare compete with a student from a city. Prime Minister Shastri was from a village as was Mr Jagjivan Ram, I wonder how his daughter can endorse the vulgar proposal. I recommend that the so called leaders shed hypocrisy and try improve the quality of village level education, unless this is done no amount of reservations can bring any good and if the basic education standards are improved reservations would not be required.
Have you paused to wonder why these OBC/SC/STs in your IITs could not get along with the other students. That is becuase of a feeling of baCKWARDNESS THAT WAS THRUST upon them by centuries of caste abuses. Dont we \\\\\\\"Meritous\\\\\\\" people have the self confidence to let them catch up with us. This whole anti reservation movement is a selfish one. Where is the merit in engineers & doctors coming from capitation fees colleges?
RE:Passing JEE is a \\\\
by CV on Jun 11, 2006 09:05 AM Permalink
Thats not true dude. They feel a sense of backwardness because they have embraced backwardness by coming into the elite IITs through back-door entry. Had they competed head-on-head with the meritorious students, they would not never ever have felt their backwardness. Coming through the backdoor on the alms offered by the politicians and then demanding equal-treatment and dignity is stupid. Truth is, they have no self-respect because the back-door entrants know they don't deserve to be among the elite in the first place. And for snatching another meritorious guy's seat, don't in your wildest dreams think of being accepted and forgiven.
Great Mr.Gopinath. Can you just tell ua how & why currently most of the doctors and engineers in higher institutions are upper caste. You are once again towing the "merit" bogie. Tell me how a dalit whose 10 generations have not been allowed to study by upper caste can get the same level of understanding and "merit"as a Brahmin whose entire family is enginner/doctors for the last several generation. is that what you call a level playing feild? And what about capitation fees. Where is the "merit " in those?
RE:Wrong & mistaken
by CV on Jun 11, 2006 09:30 AM Permalink
That is because they have slogged their lives out and come up the hard way, not through the back door. I have seen children of doctors and engineers come up in life and also be utter failures and I will tell you about my case. Being brought up in a BRAHMIN family (and I am very proud about that), my father was just a graduate and my mom is not. Me and my brother are both engineers INSPITE of the screwed up Indian education system. We competed on our strength and came up in a meritorious way and did not beg for freebies, or neither did anyone dole out seats to us or let us in thro the back-door. BTW, do you know that in the engineering admission forms, your father's qualification and mother's qualification are not asked. Perhaps, if you ever fill up one of them, then you will know.
RE:Wrong & mistaken
by Jagadeesan Subbarayan on Jul 01, 2006 08:17 AM Permalink
We understand that Dalits were not allowed by the upper caste at one time, that doesn't mean that the learning capacity or the thinking capacity has been wiped out of the minds.
What we need to make now are two things: 1) Instill the urge to read among them 2) Provide financial aid for studying.
It makes no head way for us as a country if we bring in reservations for seats in our Enng and Medical.
Do you understand the gravity, when someone who reads less becomes a doctor and makes a wrong diagonsis on you or some Engineer builds a bad bridge or something.
If you have been able appreciate these things, there wudn't be talk about reservations for seats. Let the merit play the game. Let us help them by providing conducive ambience to grow.
RE:Wrong & mistaken
by Yogesh Sheth on Jun 12, 2006 01:35 PM Permalink
Shoud beggars be encouraged by giving more and more money?
Most people say no to give money/alms to them! Because they will never work as they get habituated of free money!
If the government supports every generation of downtrodden people, is that justice to others?
If a person who gets all the benefits of reservation in studies, job etc., shouldnt he be then declared as "uplifted" and his future generation be not supported through reservation? Otherwise those not gaining the advantage of the reservation system will never get that chance!
Illiteracy does not go and lodge in your genes. So it does not matter whether your past 10 generations were illiterate or not.
The so called 5000 years of oppression does not make an SC/ST or OBC inherently incapable. That is a convinient falsehood being spread around to justify an evil agenda.
In todays' world, the opportunities are available on the basis of economic status of the family. We must support reservations for economically backward. As everybody claims, most of the SC/ST and OBCs are economically backward, so even with economic status based reservation policy they are sure to get the benefits, albeit under a different name. What is the problem with that?
Govt. should provide all the facilities to study the backward-class students.Businessman @ industrialist should gave their profit to back-ward class students.Students who are actually needs and lacks of higher facilities should be given chance
Continuation of previous article......Government has failed to provide basic education to people forget the quality as an effect of it we have so many private schools.Instead of strengthing the base of education system they want to paste fruits on top of the tree...Peole like ARJUN SINGH (85 years old)have been part of active politics for over half a century are to be blamed for it(actually we all are to be blamed).Bottom line is strengthen the roots the fruits will always show on top.For taking india forward (whole mass instead of selective people since that would result in discrimination of another type the basic services of primary education till +2 level should be strengthened.For that provide special attention at small age (special care in form of economic/educational etc.)finally what is reservation say the case of proposed 50%:it means 50% of the seats are reserved for certian category of people--->others have no access to them it is the same as yore where people of lower caste couldn't use the same pond reserved by the bramhins/upper caste people.Isn't reservartion a form of untouchability?Lets take india forward with all sections of people and lets not divide it any furthe
It was a wonderful case study of what can be done if there is a will to do it. I am completely against "reservation in higher institutes of learning based on caste". Assuming that genetics donot play a major role, learning capability is already defined by the time he reaches Standard XII - by the quality of education he has received till that point. So, once you are past that stage, there is no point in any having any reservation. I too have done my graduation from IIT. I have a batchmate who is a SC and got selected only because of that. He is doing very good now - not because of his caste but because he was always a very hard worker, very committed and had sound basic education (not to be equated with high marks in exams). I myself donot have any idea what my caste is. Never bothered about it. Reservation, if any, should come only at the grassroots level, based on ecomomic capability of the child's family, so that a level playing field is created. The right support mechanism should come at the right time to the right people. No point in providing a crutch today to someone who has lost his hands yesterday and his legs day before yesterday.
RE:Re: What should OBCs do
by srij123 on Jun 12, 2006 05:25 PM Permalink
Hi Jim, Because they are intellingent and not dumb like you... It is ridiculus to say 98% of top posts are occupied by Brahmins... on what basis are you saying that ? Even the mughals oppressed Hindus and then British (christians) opressed Hindus... what about that ?
RE:Re: What should OBCs do
by ganesh on Jun 10, 2006 07:00 PM Permalink
You are totally mistaken and misled..... It is only due to BRAIN POWER of Bhramins.... nothing more.... Ithink u r calling SOUR GRAPES...i pity u Ganesh
All the brahmins (rahavan, viswanathan and vidya nathan). You guys constitute only 2% of the population. How come you take up 98 percent of the tops posts in India? Be fair. You cannot fool the rest forever. It is time to make room for others.
RE:To all the Brahmins on this MB
by Richa on Jun 12, 2006 01:02 AM Permalink
Very sad to hear your view..You cannot take yourself forward with this kind of mindset.Hope you realize that hatred never brings equality.We cannot cut off our ties to England becoz they oppressed us for 200 years? Or can we? I am not a brahmin...
-------------- PS: I was denied entering temple and access to water at public places (an incident I observed as late as in year 2001 in a town). It happnes with ~20% of population (given my caste is OBC in some states and SC in others, at a Hinduism scale of 1-10 I put it at ~2) The mental trauma a person goes through under such circumstances is totally incomparable with anything else including the \'economic backwardness\' favoured by anti-quota ppl --------------
Very true. However, do you honestly feel that reservations in IIT provide the most help to those who labour under such abominations? My own experience is that most people in a position to take advantage of reservations have faced little or no discrimination at all. People from rural areas, men and women of great courage and determination, who have been victims of our society\'s evil and are still able to make it to the highest level (with or without reservations) are very few and tend to be exceptions. You may well be one such person of great character, but search your soul and you will find you are an exception too. Reservations must not be an end to itself. The end should be destruction of caste.
You are dangerous
by R.Vittal on Jun 10, 2006 06:18 PM Permalink
You are dangerous and not Brahmins. Being a Christian , you want to creat divisons among us. You are still in British Raj.Note very well, Hindus are becomming stronger and stronget in these 50 years. We may have our own querrels. But our enemies are dead for ever and never can dream of harming us.
RE:Reservations
by susarla on Jun 12, 2006 03:16 AM Permalink
Mr.oppressed, We keep hearing this complaint over and over that Brahmins oppressed OBCs for centuries. Every OBC community practiced the profession of their cast freely and all educational institutions are open to every cast. Can you tell us how Brahmins stopped you from advancing your economical and intellectual level?
Mr. Gopi. You are an exception. Not the norm. It looks like you have not experienced the oppressions of the dangerous brahminical soceity. Brahmin oppressed us 2000 years. OBC atleast need quota for 200 years to come.
RE:Mr Gopi you are NOT wrong
by CV on Jun 11, 2006 11:48 AM Permalink
Mr. Gopi is not the exception. He is the norm. People like him have the right to walk with their heads held high. You are the exception, the LOSER.You are the ones, who want to continue remaining idiots, but still aspire for bigger things and get in through the back-doors. So, just shut up. Infact, not just in this editorial, in every feedback of yours to every column, you have exhibited lower and lower standards of intelligence quotient.Just when I feel that the limit of stupidity has been reached and no one can be more stupid, you prove me wrong by setting even higher standards of stupidity in your feedback.
