I congratulate Prof.Gopinathan for outstanding remarks , equally applicable to medical institutes/ any higher center of learning.
I have been writing same messages in this column and could see few such remarks-once from Tuticorin medicos and in TOI of Dr .Md. Rela, a liver transplant surgeon, all came from quota class.
Though Prof. has rightly not mentioned the caste of his inspiring teacher, presume that he belonged to non-quota class. Whether such affinity will remain if the politicians do division on caste/class.
During 1982-85,I had been student of B.P.Mandalâs school friend â(by the time of Mandal I , I shifted to Ranchi). B.P. Mandal was from Madhepura in Mithilaâs portion in Bihar ( famous constituency of Lalu Pd.Yadav, one of the most illiterate districts of the country). Once, I saw my that teacher,Dr. B. N. Das Gupta, retd. Prof. Emeritus himself,stood up reflexly in his chamber, before a very old patient(and he told me that he was his schoolteacher!). Will such reverence be continued if caste-divide remains? I feel our brethrens in these categories will endorse Prof. Gopinathanâs remarks which are experienced truth not biased views of politicians.
I am happy read such a good article on anti-reservation. Attitude of people has to change in India and one cannot get into the loop of this irrelevant policy. In todays open economy even if you get into top notch universities on the basis of caste/creed and not talent, you are not going to survive and also their self esteem would be completely destroyed. They would not be able to do what would they normally would have done without reservation.
Well said Prof. Gopinathan. One more important aspect to note that unlike SCs, OBCs are politically very strong in all nothern India, Maharashtra atleast. UP, MP,Bihar, Maharashtra etc as if the government cannot be formed without OBC CM. In villeges also OBCs are not discriminated like Dalits. They are powereful and even replacing the old landlords in villages. So the argument for SCs doesn't hold true for OBCs. Rest is all about rich and poor. I don't have to add much, Prof. has cogently put other points already. Way to go.
What business is Rediff in? Politics or New Delivery?
rediff is working towards forming public opinion based on the viewpoint of some of their "corporate leaders".
I cant believe what kind of stuff this person has written. Your author is suggesting segregation. Do you know what that means? He is talking of going back more than 100 years. And you think of competing in a global economy? I dont favor reservation in the form it is being implemented but I pity the viewpoint of masses in India who are against reservation.
By bringing in masses into value added workforce, the economy will grow and nation will progress. We have to realize how much poverty and hopelessness exists in rural India's lower/backward castes. Unless something drastic is done you cannot expect to reverse the effects of centuries of oppression.
There should be obc reservation but not for richer obc like Mirakumari(Rs.300CRORE),MP,MLA,Firstclass gov servant,governer and businessmen.Reservation is must for poorer classes other than obc.THANK U
Mr. Arjun Singhs political gimmick of extending caste-based reservations is shameless.
Caste-base policies are a tacit acknowledgement of the governments failure to provide high-quality primary education to all (a Constitutional obligation).
Caste-base policies promote caste-consciousness. Caste-consciousness is anti-national. Instead of being simply, Indians, we are now OBCs, SC/ST, and what have you.
Charity demeans the giver and receiver! They are worse than crutches. They are more like a bad addiction. India should kick this addiction!
RE:What should OBCs do?
by Dr K Saravana on Jun 13, 2006 06:38 PM Permalink
this is the language that the forward Community has used for ages to suppress the voice of the underprivileged for ages. Your attitude is hit and run and you do not have the courage to even identify yourself which reflects the mentality of feudal suppression that we have suffered so long. I did not say merit has to be replaced by reservation, I said merit is good, provided it serves the very purpose of education that the nation is paying for, and secondly Providing opportunities for the underprivileged need not be an on going affair,Laws against its use must be brought in for elimination of the creamy layer, but no one can argue that we should reduce the percentage of reservation since the new pool of candidates would benefit once the creamy layer is eliminated. Abusing me and living in an ivory tower is useless since the overwhelming voice in this country is for reservation caste based and/or economy based. Income based reservation also should be included for all the children of BPL families who aspire for higher education and their education should be funded through scholarships or subsidized by the state as much as possible.
RE:What should OBCs do?
by Dr K Saravana on Jun 13, 2006 09:00 PM Permalink
If one talks of separate institutions for OBC's and SC/ST's Then where is the question of bringing the academic level of underprivileged sections on par with Forward communities being addressed.Only when you allow both sections together there is a reasonable chance that backward castes will also improve or upgrade. Few of you may call it charity, but remember that i will call it as a sacrifice also on the part of Forward Communities and not just as the right of OBC's or SC/ST's. When the principles of Social Justice and Natural justice are in conflict with each other, one cannot allow natural justice to prevail just because it will lead to anarchy.Aspirations and dreams of all sections of the population have to be fulfilled if India is to remain a vibrant democratic country. Unless the State ensures equal opportunities at the entry level in primary govt schools on par with private schools, unless all children in this nation have a decent opportunity at good education irrespective of the caste they are born into or the economic condition of their families, Reservation is a must at all levels to ensure decency in society. Thanks for giving me this opportunity.
After enjoying the benefits that the state provided to Gopi when there was virtually no competetion when he entered elite institutions, it is his turn to become a turncoat and prevent others from enjoying the benefits. Does he know the privileges enjoyed by Forward Communities at selections made to elite institutions like AIIMS at even the resident and senior resident levels. I do know that many reserved candidates find it difficult to compete academically with Forward Community Candidates, but i also know that almost all Forward Community Candidates who come out of elite institutions do not stay back to serve their motherland and talk about mosquitoes, lack of power, inability to comprehend the rural atmosphere, etc, when you ask them why they flock abroad. Almost all the doctors whom i Know have come out of AIIMS and have gone back to their peripheral roots are these so called reserved candidates. Merit is good, But if you make rural service compulsory and enforce it, I am sure these antireservationists will run helter-skelter.When you provide people from underprivileged communities an opportunity, they are very likely to go back to serve in areas where their service is required.
RE:Thanks Gopi for being so selfish
by King on Jun 10, 2006 11:46 AM Permalink
Dr. Saravana,
Looks like you havent read the article carefully and continuing with the same old unrelated points that pro-reservationists have been talking all along.
Firstly, the author clearly points out that though he was an OBC, he NEVER took benefit of any reservations. Hence, calling him selfish is totally wrong.
What exact "privileges" do the "Forward" communities enjoy at selections, Sir? They are completely based on marks at the entrance exams. Now one may argue that marks arent the best judge, but thats a separate issue and has to be treated, if at all, uniformly for everyone.
And what has "staying back" in the motherland got to do with caste? If opportunity is given to an OBC, he too will flock outside. Are you trying to say that only OBCs are "patriotic" and forward castes are not?
The question of "Rural service" is a noble one. But dont link this issue with caste based politics. The two issues are totally different. Dont mix them up for the sake of making some argument in favour of reservation. There just isnt any!!!
RE:Thanks Gopi for being so selfish
by Subhra Pratim Kabasi on Jun 10, 2006 11:15 AM Permalink
I differ from you . All human beings look for opportunities . Lot of professionals are coming back to India because opportunities are created now to make it big through hardwork and creative thinking . Like the writer I'm also a so called "OBC" boy from a middleclass family who competed in general category, studied B.E computer science in an REC, stayed away from using caste even after losing campus job in 2001 recession and worked hard to fight back and get a job in the so called "fiercely competitive" private sector. My younger sister also always competed in general category . now we work for one of the top consultancy firms in the world . It's about pride sir as Dr. Gopi correctly pointed out .
RE:Thanks Gopi for being so selfish
by Prashanth on Jun 09, 2006 07:40 PM Permalink
Cool, Prof Gopinathan had suggested a solution for u, Seperate IITs based on Caste, why dont u accept that, then. For your info, there is no resrvtn for FC's anywhere and if they are making it thr, it is all because of their hard/smartwork.I dont say only FCs have it, everyone has it and its upto to one to explot it, but not by backdoor business!
RE:Thanks Gopi for being so selfish
by CV on Jun 10, 2006 11:50 AM Permalink
You are such a loser in life. Hey, how did you get your Doctorate or Medical degree? I am sure by back-door entry method, also called "reservation". Dude, I can clearly see you are not worthy of your doctorate or medical degree. If after such a prestegious qualification, you continue to have such stupid thoughts and such a narrow outlook, I have no doubt that you are a person who has not come up with your hard work unlike the writer. So, shut up and try not to demean your fellow doctorates or doctors by writing a "DR" in front of your name.
Sarvanan is fabricating Stories
by Dr. Anurag on Jun 09, 2006 07:48 PM Permalink
Prof. Gopi has brought abt the facts, howsoever bitter it may be to some incompetent Creamy Layers demanding Crutches as their birth right.
Perhaps Sarvanan does not have correct stats on Doctors and Engineers passing out from Elite Institutes. For his info, most of the students come from middle and lower middle class families from semi-urban areas of UP, Punjab,Haryana,Bihar,Orissa,W.Bengal, MP ,etc. These students have entered the top Institutes by virtue of their hard work and determination and NOT with Crutches. Very few students are from Southern States, where education system coupled with Quota/Reservation talent has been the biggest victim.Indeed talent from these States has migrated to other States.
While most of the Doctors from these elite Institutes are serving their Country as Specialists and Super Specialists, most of the Engineers do migrate to foreign countries in search of better facilities for Higher Studies and Research, which has been denied by the power hungry and Vote hungry Congress and Communists in this Country. However, these world class Engineers are serving the Nation in many ways.
The moral of the story is EQUALITY FOR ALL Crutches for none
RE:Thanks Gopi for being so selfish
by Saju Dominic on Jun 10, 2006 11:02 AM Permalink
MSG has plenty of perls to offer in this piece. Sample the one below. "Charity demeans both the giver and the receiver." Amen to that!
RE:Thanks Gopi for being so selfish
by Parul on Jun 09, 2006 09:19 PM Permalink
Mr Sarvana
I disagree with everything you have said and you seem to be one of the greedy ones who want to - what did you say - enjoy - the reservations. This country is not here to provide you pleasure.
Second - I agree with one thing - we should make rural service compulsory in India - no visas granted till it is shown that you have done some rural service. Now that's the line of thinking you should pursue, Mr. Sarvana. And also learn to respect a man like Prof G.
