While most muslims are decent, patriotic Indians, the Mullah/Minister combo is like a mill stone around India's neck. The personal law board appears increasingly like a bunch of Mullahs :(
RE:Millstone..
by Indian_Analyst on May 11, 2005 01:05 AM Permalink
a2k, Don't you see the danger in having parallel governments and laws ? If our current system does not work, we should amend it and make it work !!!!
Secularism means separating state and religion and having uniform civil code and equality of everybody. Your definition is wrong and dangerous.
Sharia is barbaric at best. cut off hands, public beheadings, stoning ???? Also, when muslims become the majority, what will happen to the non-believers (kufr, jazia etc...) ? pak / bangladesh / J&K are bad examples. The world does not know how to deal with Fanatic Islam. It is a big problem for the world. You can help by believing in the Indian Constitution and it's original recommendations (uniform civil code).
P.S. Avoid VHP/Shiv Sena/AIMPLB etc... (all religious fanatics)
the muslim personal law board is nothing buta male ch auvenistic board comrising of true fanatics and reactionery elements.just to show that it is very progressive but in fact to curtail the rights of the muslim women comes once in news.the board takes more of a political decisions than social one and this may in accordance with thier masters elsewhere so that the women can only be used as a vote bank for any political parties, who will do good for the average muslim but for a price.in democracy all are equal and no one is more than equal but the board thinks no one including the law of the land could touch it.and our politicians who call themselves as great secular people in the world also want the bad writ of the board to continue so that thier vote banks are intact.the media and the secular elements of this country are only concerned about the ills in the hindu society and not in the muslim and christian societies.the board has grown as a demon and only thier own people can dismantle it.there should be equal law in the country for all irrespective of thier relegion like the marriage act,the will,divorce act.polygamy.only then will there be harmony in the society
RE:personal secularism
by Indian_Analyst on May 11, 2005 12:49 AM Permalink
Ruby, THERE SHOULD BE A COMMON LAW IN THE COUNTRY. Religion should be separate from State affairs !!! Why should VHP/Muslim parties form the law in our country ? India is a secular country. It is not a hindu or muslim country !!!!!!
P.S. Only muslims can make this happen. Your post is extremely disappointing. You have put religion before the country. Pls think about this more. Don't stop questioning.
-Your post on hinduism is good (though hateful). It is good that there is a law against dowry, sati, female infanticide... today. Find the truth !
RE:personal secularism
by a2k on May 10, 2005 02:41 PM Permalink
The muslim personal law board has never tried to be progressive. What do you mean by progress ?
If progress is technology, then the muslim board is with it. If it means humans and human beings then there is no scope of it in Islam. People should understand the values of Islam before making muslims progressive. If progressive means, leaving your religion to follow no-religion or religion of others then, muslims need not be progressive. If progressive means wearing undecent clothes, language and policy of hatred then muslims need not be progressive.
Human beings cannot change, you cannot change the way you breathe, sleep, eat etc, so why should laws that show them the best path should change. Muslim laws are one of the fastest and just laws anywhere. And everyone knows how much time and money one can save if you get your disputes settled outside our constitutional court. We should see the constitutional court as the last respite, and try to settle our matters internally in the family, society and religion before going to the national level ie the constitutional courts.
VHP/ShivSena etc do not enjoy confidence of majority Hindus. I want to know that does All-India Muslim Personal Law Board enjoy the confidence of majority muslims ? I hope not.
Any communal force is a threat to our Country.
Nobody can critisize Islam in public. This means that common muslims can never enter into any kind of debate on Islam. This means that there can be no progress in the mindset of muslims. This is SAD.
Though debates and questions on Hinduism and other religions should not stop. India has to get out of the communal rot.
Indian Christians are rejecting the church, but accepting Jesus. I find this progressive.
India has unique Spiritual Knowledge. I am sure that the changes in the muslim religion should come from India and India should drive the muslim world.
I am advocating change in all religions. Change should never be prohibited. It is against nature.
RE:Sharia
by Bobby Awasthi on May 11, 2005 01:17 PM Permalink
CUSTOMS are different from CODES.
In south India or north India, tribals or city dwellers, residents or NRI, nowhere among Hindus, you would find a permission for husband being allowed to say three words and leave his wife, nowhere in world you would find a hindu husband allowed some fictitious excuses to legally be allowed to nourish his lust from more than one woman.
Whether that one woman is his niece, or unrelated, IS NOT THE MEANING OF CODE, IF YOU KNOW ENGLISH! The word is customs.
I hope you wake up to meanings of words. www.dictionary.com
RE:Sharia
by ruby on May 10, 2005 02:41 PM Permalink
The RSS or BJP hs failed to produce a common Hindu law which should be acceptable to all the Hindu communities. today the tribals have thousands of their customary laws acceptable under our judiciary system. In south, for marriages, it is preferred among Hindus to marry their daughters to her maternal uncle. In north it is not acceptable among Hindus. In kerela the women head the family, in Bihar the male. Before advising Muslims to accept UCC, first all the Hindus accept a common Hindu code.
RE:Sharia
by JET on May 10, 2005 07:44 PM Permalink
Ruby,
There is no such thing as common Hindu code.
Even there is no such thing as common Christian Code and seperate courts for them in INDIA.
There are no special courts for SIKH's,JAIN's,PARSI's.
Why do you have seperate courts for Muslims when good for nothing CONGRESS party and its crony UPA's wants everybody to be SECULAR.
I hope SECULAR means every body should be treated atleast before the eyes of law.
When you have seperate laws only for MUSLIMS and they don't stick with the law of the land (they stick with SAUDI ARABIAN law) it is going to be big trouble.
It can create another PAKISTAN & BANGLADESH all over (inside INDIA).
I hope SECULARIST get it but when they get it.
You know when they will get it when another country gets created out of india only then they will get it. But will it be in their memory no not for long.
It will be like the GREAT INDIAN Diplomacy.
Make peace with Pakistan and China and they will screw us immediately and we do our usual crying.
RE:Sharia
by Ravi on May 12, 2005 02:50 PM Permalink
i dont know why u think that ucc should set guidelines on what you should do. they will focus on what is wrong. for example, polygamy should definitely be banned irrespective of the religion of the person.
the code will say what is treated as an offence and it will be applicable to everybody.
Don't we go through this discussion in a meek way time and again and can do nothing about it. Even if a Muslim judge or president or minister wants to something about it, no uniform code can be brought. Why should the Hindus cry about it. They gave 1/3 rd of their ancestral land willingly to implement 100% Islamic law and carved Pakistan where they have no rights. The Hindus were generous or foolish enough to call themselves secular, yet retain Islamic law to the then Muslim majority. After all Jinnah did not ask these Hindus not to have a land of their own. On the contrary he said call the rest of the land Hindu and implement uniform code. The Muslims at the time division had no objection. The Hindus did not care or want it then and crushed and cursed any one who suggested it. Now why are they calling it foul. Vijaya Kumar
RE:Uniform civil code
by Ruby Nishat on May 12, 2005 04:15 PM Permalink
A unifrom code of social practice is not possible in India. India is a multi-cultural country. I have already stated contradictions of social practices within Hindu society, claiming to be a single group.
