Rather than criticising the author for the issues we do not agree upon, it will be far better to look at the main issue being raised. The fact that 1984 pogrom was a state supported heinous crime can not be disputed. And despoite thousands of innocents being murdered, not one person has been punished for the same!
If we forget 1984, soon we will start saying let us forget 1992, Bombay Blasts, Gujrat, and the list goes on. Cant we see that these were acts of crime committed by a handful of people against the nation. People who have no respect for the land nor its laws, and hence they and their future followers need to be taught a lesson. A lesson strong enough to reestablish the fact that this nation is truly ruled by its people and the political leaders are mere representatives who are not above the law!
the '84 riots are a huge black mark on our Democracy.The guilty have not been punished.Merely J Tytler resigning as minister is not enough. But as is usual, justice & judges in India can easily be brought.The govt of today has no moral strenghth or fibre to dispense justice of any kind. The Nanavati Commission will doubtless be quietly buried after the public hoo-haa is over & it will be business as usual.
I am totaly disappointed with coloumn Another Jalian walabagh. donot compare the burtality of 1919, 1984 and 2002. Every day the world grows like anything and the mankind has a different meaning day by day. burutality by anynbody at anttime should be scolded like anything. No one should be forgiven!!! Whether Sikh Riots or Gujrath riots the criminals should be punished. There should not be any comparision in that this is most worse that is lesser than this etc.
The facts stated in the article under review "Jallianwallah Bagh" etc., is undeniable truth and no amount of romanticising Sikhs contribution to the India's freedom struggle can wash the cardinal mistake they committed as a community in raising the bogey of "Khalistan". This does not mean one can condone the "Gallughara" of Sikhs by the Congress in 1984. But it will be pertinent to analyse the situation objectively wherby it will reveal that they alone is responsible for the losing of immense prestige they had as a community upholding Justice and dignity to Indians when they are challenged prior to this bogey of Khalistan being raised. Surprisingly even neutral sikhs did not raise any voice against the same. Now it is a fashion to sympathise with Sikh Victims of riots of 1984, but please also reflect "Harakiri" committed by them.
we, the indians are ashamed of what has happened in 1984 - in delhi & in bhopal. this is the effect of our so called secular rulers. they dramatised the dandi march but followed maximum himsa all over the country. still, no one has learnt the lesson from the past 60 years how to make india prosper & shining, including the administration & judiciary.
a sorry affairs of india's 60 years of independence.
It is fact well established that a vast majority of people in this country view things entirely as if those happened to others. So communities speak out against the wrong done only once similar crime is committed against them. Muslims, Sikhs have been at receiving end of state sponsored pogroms. On the other hand kashmiri pandits suffer at the hand of majority muslims. So it is indeed a change to read a viewpoint that goes beyond such parocial frame. The India that author dreams of is still in future. Till then, lets bear.
Is the Supreme Court in India, a bunch of jokers who cant prioritise their rulings. In the last 20 years they have never flayed the central govt over its inaction on the genocide involving 4000 killings of innocent indians during the 1984 riots but they will flay the govt for a tiny reservation issue. No wonder then that tommorrow they arrest me for the contempt of court but Tytler, Sajjan kumar, Modi and Bhagat continue to rome freely and wait for another oppurtunity to kill the Minorities
We all know that for a fact, It has taken 20 long years for india to reach where it currently is in the matter of 1984 riots with the previous governments successively turning a blind eye to the killings of 1984. In no civilized country of the world, would a genocide involving nearly four thousand killings be buried under a carpet like it has been done here in india thus far. If you call your self the CJI, then let it be known that it is your duty to do justice.
I disagree with Rajeev on this account. As there is no meaning in reiterating Gujarat roits, there is no gain in revisiting Sikh roits. The best way is to keep silent on these and C that they r not repeated. Atleat this should not be a fight between congress and BJP.
RE:the best way forward
by Puneet Khurana on Aug 23, 2005 07:19 PM Permalink
Ooo really .... well i didn't know if Pakistan has any minority left there. Moreover they are more busy fighting amongst themselves and whatever resources are left they use it in exporting terrorism around the world.
Having said that I believe that any person involved in creating communal disharmony should be hanged. Modis and Tytlers of this country should not be spared whatsoever.
Lets stop comparing the religions for all convey the message of peace and harmony. By engaging in the act of comparison we indirectly engage in creating an atmosphere of disharmony.
RE:the best way forward
by Himanshu Sonkar on Aug 24, 2005 01:45 AM Permalink
Hi, First of ALL I would like to make it clear that I see both 1984 and 2002 riots in the breath. Now as per your comments, what evidence do you have for the genocide of Buddhist in India? Also if riots in India are so bad, why is the population of Muslims in India is growing in %, while in Bangladesh and Pakistan population of Hindus is getting down drastically, and this is not an assumption, It is a fact. Please do some research before posting something on public platform
I would suggest you that, you get above your Religious status and think like an Indian (Provided you are one) else you are no different than all those in the forum who are spreading religious hatred.
RE:the best way forward
by s.srinivasa chary on Aug 23, 2005 04:57 PM Permalink
What is this sheer nonsense called subjugation of Budhist in India? Either you talk history or talk what ever nonsense called your opinion. This is defnitely not history. Why don't you allow revival of Budhism than trying to convert Dalits to Islam. You and your sense of justice.
What Crap Mr. Abdulhaque Shaikh??
by Muthu on Aug 23, 2005 11:46 PM Permalink
What do you mean, 10 times more violence against minorities in India than in Pakistan and Bangladesh? Then, why dont you run to these "wonderlands" and live happily there ever after??? Check your facts! Pakistan had 30% hindu population in 1947 and 2% today!! Is this not religions persecution?? The less said about Bangladesh, the better!! Dont you know there are millions of bangladeshi illegal immigrants now all over India??
RE:the best way forward
by AMLAN GHOSH on Aug 23, 2005 05:49 PM Permalink
There are two reasons for minority bashing in India than in Pakistan and Bangladesh. One is India is ten or more times bigger than these two countries in population and area. Second in Pakistan and Bangladesh there is no significant minority left as ethnic cleansing took place in 1947. and later on in stages in Bangladesh.in 1966, 1971 and so on. No trouble of minorities in these countries.
I can not understand why this writer is so biased against Muslim that he wonder away from his main topic and started comparing genocide of jews with muslim rebellian in Kerala. If you want to know about greatest genocide and persecution in the world history ,there is no comparision to genocide and ultimate subjugation of Bhuddhist in India. This two thousand years of subjugation of Bhuddhist into Dalit in India paved way to rise of Islam in India. Now these people with same ideology are against Islam because they know that Islam stands to protect the week by giving them tools not to fall in trap of the vices created by today's gods. This writer has quitely forgetten that there are ten times more violent riots against minorities in India than in Pakistan or BanglaDesh
RE:Another Jalianwallah Bagh
by ajat on Aug 23, 2005 06:54 PM Permalink
Boss, This way anyone can preach that his religion is greatest the way U r saying about Islam. The issue is not about greatness of any religion but to ensure that such crimes against humanity are not repeated. Also God knows from where are u getting ur figures of more atrocities on minorities in India as against Pak or Bang.
RE:Another Jalianwallah Bagh
by Venkata Ramana on Aug 25, 2005 12:43 AM Permalink
Is that the reason why the hindu population is decreasing in Pakistan and Bangladesh? If the muslims are not being treated properly in India why do these millions of Bangladeshis come to India?
RE:Another Jalianwallah Bagh
by Chalam on Aug 27, 2005 05:53 AM Permalink
In no other country in the world, (including Islamic nations) Muslims enjoy as much respect, esteem and liberty as in India. We have had two Muslim Presidents. The present President is also a Muslim. Their grievances, if any, are imaginary and/or exaggerated. They should be proud to be an Indian Muslim.
Wake up Mr Shaikh
by Indian on Aug 23, 2005 07:44 PM Permalink
You seem to be in fools paradise or a staunch follower of imperialist way of stating false things repeatedly to make them true, however you are overdoing it too much. Everyone is aware of stats as to how many hindus Pakistan & Bangladesh had and how much is the progress(degress rather) in their numbers as compared to the way ethnic minorities have thrived in India. The point however is that the there are elements like you who instead of being thankful spit out venom against this great culture, thereby paving way to disasters. Mend your ways, thats all I can advise.
RE:Another Jalianwallah Bagh
by GNSaraswat on Aug 23, 2005 04:58 PM Permalink
(1) Rise in Islam was not necessariliy because of repression by Hindus. It was largely carried out at the point of sword by foreign aggressors (2) We cannot compare riots in Pakistan and Bangladesh because minorities in those coutries have been sytematically converted or eliminated. Sensus figures in both countries reflect these facts. (3) If one has to compare Pakistan, ook at the riots between Shias ad Sunnis. Look at the condition of otrher minorities like Ahmediayas and not Hindus. Let me state emphatically that Hindua have neven never been aggressors. Only now, they are become retaliators and unfortunately habitual aggressors finding it difficult to digest.
